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Long Form Birth Certificate Required
My children just got denied passports because they were not born in a medical facility.
They were all born at home.
I sent certified Texas Birth Certificates (short form); they were not good enough. The department of state wants more information for my children to get passports.
I pointed out to the mindless Washington bureaucrat that both my wife and I were US citizens, and that because of this our children are automatically, even if they were born on the moon.
Would have none of it.
What they are requesting?
Medical records created within the first year of birth showing name, date and place of birth.
Anyone have any idea what that would be? I own a company that processes medical claims, and I have no idea. Anyone have a doctor's office bill that shows WHERE you, or your children were born? I don't, and even if at one time I did; I didn't know I needed to keep it so my kids could get a passport one day.
Thought that's what the birth certificate was for.
My surname begins "Vill" - is not hispanic, but I can't help but think that plays a large part in this. Other than spring break trips to Mexico, and a visit to Niagara Falls, I have NEVER been out of this country, and my children have NEVER left. And yet: My children's fucking citizenship is actually being questioned.
Hell of an atmosphere we've created in this country.
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101A
Thought that's what the birth certificate was for.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Though you might want to ask the hospital for billing records. That might help provide "proof" as asinine as the situation is.
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101A
My surname begins "Vill" - is not hispanic, but I can't help but think that plays a large part in this. Other than spring break trips to Mexico, and a visit to Niagara Falls, I have NEVER been out of this country, and my children have NEVER left. And yet: My children's fucking citizenship is actually being questioned.
Hell of an atmosphere we've created in this country.
It's about security... they're worried that you're actually trying to get passports for terrorists. Of course, their requirements are retarded, but they're probably being forced to give you a strict list of criteria because some dumb law was enacted to keep us safe from the bad guys.
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Or you could try calling up Obama... I heard he's been through a similar issue. *ba dum ch*
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*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must contain the full names of the applicant's parent(s). For more information, please see New Requirement for U.S. Birth Certificates.
Does your have all those requirements even though its short form? Seems like a total crock of shit to me.
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LnGrrrR
Those are Texas - not having a problem; Texas recognizes my kids - has certified birth certificates on file; it's the US govt. that is questioning.
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LnGrrrR
Pretty much what I was thinking. Though you might want to ask the hospital for billing records. That might help provide "proof" as asinine as the situation is.
There are no hospital billing records; they were born at home with midwives.
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It's about security... they're worried that you're actually trying to get passports for terrorists. Of course, their requirements are retarded, but they're probably being forced to give you a strict list of criteria because some dumb law was enacted to keep us safe from the bad guys.
10 and 13 year old christian terrorists who attended Helotes elementary school since kindergarten?
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MannyIsGod
Does your have all those requirements even though its short form? Seems like a total crock of shit to me.
Absolutely they do; same form for me and the kids; got mine; they didn't get theirs. I've already contacted one of my Senators; gonna call the other, and my rep. tomorrow.
The line that pisses me off the most?
"You were not born in a medical facility, so you will need to submit a combination of additional documents to further support your claim to United States citizenship."
Bullshit indeed.
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101A
Absolutely they do; same form for me and the kids; got mine; they didn't get theirs. I've already contacted one of my Senators; gonna call the other, and my rep. tomorrow.
The line that pisses me off the most?
"You were not born in a medical facility, so you will need to submit a combination of additional documents to further support your claim to United States citizenship."
Bullshit indeed.
I would take it up with someone higher up the ladder. Are you in SA? Did you go to the main post office to get these?
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I didn't see that you contacted your Senators and Rep. Thats actually a great first step. I would definitely contact someone a bit higher up in the Dept of State that deals with passports here in the state. I don't believe San Antonio has one of the regional offices but I know Houston does.
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Don't your kids have shot records? They'd need those to enroll in public schools. My kids' shot records document where each immunization was administered, the first ones being within the first few weeks after birth.
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clambake
he's in pennsylvania.
In that case it'll be in either Philly or Pittsburgh if not both.
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wouldn't it be easier to get fake passports?
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Sorry, I do not remember your religious beliefs- any chance they were baptized or circumcised in a religious ceremony?
I would also check for medical or shot records. Did you have a physician check out your baby any time after it was born. He/she would have records of that visit whether at home or in an office. Does the midwife keep some sort of records- did she bill you for her services?
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101A
There are no hospital billing records; they were born at home with midwives.
Did you maybe bring them to a hospital for a checkup or something? *shrug*
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101A
10 and 13 year old christian terrorists who attended Helotes elementary school since kindergarten?
Have you heard the stories about 4 year olds on the "No-Fly" terrorist listing? The same idiocy.
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101A
The line that pisses me off the most?
"You were not born in a medical facility, so you will need to submit a combination of additional documents to further support your claim to United States citizenship."
Bullshit indeed.
What do you expect with all the people wanting to kick every foreigner out? Hatred/fear of illegal immigration is widespread in this country.
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FWIW, my husband has had a similar situation following him his entire life. He was born to American active duty Army parents stationed in the Panama CZ. Every single time he checks "yes" on questionnaires, forms or interviews when asked if he is an American citizen, a flag goes up and the red tape is rolled out. He is now an active duty, full Colonel with passports and security clearances up the wazoo; still the red tape continues. To make things worse, the Panama CZ no longer exists. At least once a year, he is burdoned to prove that he is an American citizen, born abroad, in a place that doesn't exist :lol
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mrsmaalox
FWIW, my husband has had a similar situation following him his entire life. He was born to American active duty Army parents stationed in the Panama CZ. Every single time he checks "yes" on questionnaires, forms or interviews when asked if he is an American citizen, a flag goes up and the red tape is rolled out. He is now an active duty, full Colonel with passports and security clearances up the wazoo; still the red tape continues. To make things worse, the Panama CZ no longer exists. At least once a year, he is burdoned to prove that he is an American citizen, born abroad, in a place that doesn't exist :lol
Fullbird colonel eh? Someone's living the cushy life. :)
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You can always adopt them... (rimshot)
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ploto
Sorry, I do not remember your religious beliefs- any chance they were baptized or circumcised in a religious ceremony?
I would also check for medical or shot records. Did you have a physician check out your baby any time after it was born. He/she would have records of that visit whether at home or in an office. Does the midwife keep some sort of records- did she bill you for her services?
Protestant.- kids baptized later in life. Yes the midwives billed us - don't have the records (though claims payments from the insurer won't be difficult to 'find').
I shouldn't need those though. My wife and I are both citizens - that should do it.
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101A
I shouldn't need those though. My wife and I are both citizens - that should do it.
It's not YOUR citizenship that they're worried about though. There's probably some guy out there that tried to get an illegal immigrant through by claiming him as his son, and he got caught, and then somebody complained, and somewhere in some system a law got created that requires said document you don't have. *shrug*
It's asinine, I agree.
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LnGrrrR
It's not YOUR citizenship that they're worried about though. There's probably some guy out there that tried to get an illegal immigrant through by claiming him as his son, and he got caught, and then somebody complained, and somewhere in some system a law got created that requires said document you don't have. *shrug*
It's asinine, I agree.
He's produced documents that they are indeed his children. That should be more than enough but it just sounds like some idiots at the bottom of the system that don't know how it should work.
It never fails. You can walk into the customer service of <random government agencies> in 4 different locations and they'll likely give you different answers to the same question at each one. The people at the bottom are never trained properly because proper training is too expensive. Its the first thing that gets cut.
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MannyIsGod
He's produced documents that they are indeed his children. That should be more than enough but it just sounds like some idiots at the bottom of the system that don't know how it should work.
It never fails. You can walk into the customer service of <random government agencies> in 4 different locations and they'll likely give you different answers to the same question at each one. The people at the bottom are never trained properly because proper training is too expensive. Its the first thing that gets cut.
Yes, I alluded to that earlier. It's either some person on the bottom isn't clear on what the requirements are, or the required documents are in excess of what should be needed. (For instance, he provided documents that prove they're his children, but maybe the law requires said documents to detail place of birth, time, etc etc which the short-form birth cert he provided doesn't have.)
