Government Shutdown Looms
(probably this Friday)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shutd...ry?id=13308591
:corn:
ive already loaded up on ammo, food and water.
rooting for anarcho-syndicalism :cheer
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Government Shutdown Looms
(probably this Friday)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shutd...ry?id=13308591
:corn:
ive already loaded up on ammo, food and water.
rooting for anarcho-syndicalism :cheer
Being without an elected govt (the civil service continues, obviously) is very different from shutting down the federal civil service.
I'm pretty sure Barry and Dems will come out of a shutdown much better than the Hate/Destroy-Govt Repugs, just like 1995.
I love working without being paid! Hurray!
On a more serious note, some young soldiers are really going to be screwed if we don't get a paycheck on the 15th.
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Originally Posted by The Reckoning
I'm surprised Obama didn't just capitulate to the GOP some more. Its about fucking time he showed he had a nutsack.
Yup, the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyson_Chandler
For instance, I know Japan sure turned down our help trying to cool down the reactor.
"the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world"
The military does what the MIC pays the politicians to order the military around:
Unending, murderous disasters for the military, for the countries the military invades and occupies, and for Human-Americans.
http://www.audioandanarchy.com/images/smilies/fack.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Sorry to hear that man. Hope everything works out in your favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I'm not a big fan of many of our foreign adventures. That said, trying to imply that the military is useless is short-sighted at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Sorry you feel that way for those sworn to protect your freedoms to say such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyson_Chandler
Nah, they're just sucking on the govt teat.
https://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/nutsack.jpg They've been Michelle's trophy for some time. I don't think she plans or returning them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Love that show. Thinking of starting to watch it from season 1 again. I have all seven seasons on DVD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Too bad it doesn't portray democrats and republicans like they really are though.
I love it as well. It is my favorite show of all time behind Lost. We own all seasons as well.
I never watched lost. Saw part of one episode one time channel surfing, what i saw looked strange and not my style for personalities in a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Now that I have NetFlix of demand, maybe I'll humor the first episode.
You have to watch Lost from Season 1 Ep 1. Period. There is no other way. Just watching season 1 is worth it (srs). After that it falls from EPIC status.
It's funny how Dems are making a big deal out of this. As if pain can be taken completely out of the equation when you have had pleasure from the system for so long. Your politicians will still have the power and the money. They really don't care if soldiers' paychecks will be held for a couple months. Look on the bright side military, social security checks will continue to flow. However, if you filed your taxes through USPS, the return may take longer than usual.
:lol Hold back the military's paychecks for a couple of months and there WILL be anarchy...
My old man heard a rumor that military will receive half-pay until the shutdown ends. That hasn't been confirmed, but keep your fingers crossed; half would be much better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
It is not only the military that are critical to the nation's security. Civil Service personnel in all the alphabet-soup agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.) will not even be paid half-wages, even if they are considered 'essential' personnel and thus have to keep working just without getting paid. Isn't that called slavery?
Patriots these workers are...but how much do you expect them to take? Why wouldn't they take their skills and education and go to the private sector where, if they get laid off, at least they don't have to keep working for no money?!
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuBalboa
The USPS supports their own fiances with stamps. The shutdown will not affect the USPS what so ever. It is not part of the federal budget.
I can just see the Abrams and Cobras circling the capital and White House...Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
The military is one of the critical functions. The pays will be funded automatically. Civilian contract... up to the employers I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by desflood
From everything else I've heard, it sounds like the military will be paid retroactively once everything is back up and running.
That would be a disaster. I seem to recall this happening before in the past, and the military still got paid on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by desflood
From Wiki: Government shutdown:
There was a shutdown in 1995 and the military still got paid.Quote:
In U.S. politics, a government shutdown is said to occur when the government no longer provides "non-essential" services. Typically, services that continue despite a shutdown include police, fire fighting, armed forces, utilities, air traffic management and corrections.
Well - I'm somewhat worried about considerations for my aid package this summer and next year but I was on the ball and already have approval for next year. My understanding is that if approval has been given then you will receive your package.
I remember. I joined in '96 and asked my first supervisor about that situation. She told me that her credit union (Lackland Federal Credit Union; now it's the AFFCU) saw to it that its members got paid on time when others didn't, implying that she wouldn't have received a paycheck had it not been for her financial institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I'm worried about my daughter's college. There is talk of a strike where she goes. I wonder if I can sue to get my money back if they do?Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
"For weeks now service members and their families have been concerned about the effect a full-blown government shut down would have on their monthly pay. It appears that Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) may be able to offer some relief in the form of new legislation. Known as the ‘Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act’ Gohmert’s bill would effectively guarantee military pay will continue, in the in the event of a government shut down on April 8.
The following is an excerpt from the original press release:
This legislation ensures that members of the United States Military get their paycheck on time in the event that Congress can not pass a budget.
This bill will appropriate necessary funds to ensure that members of the miliLuck_The_Fakers_tary, including reserve components, continue to receive pay and allowances for their service when a funding gap occurs. That could be caused by the failLuck_The_Fakers_ure to enact interim or full-year appropriations for the Department of Defense, which results in many members serving without a paycheck until the shutLuck_The_Fakers_down is over. It is not enough for the military to know they will receive back pay after the shut down is over. They need to know that their paycheck will arrive on time.
This is welcome news, but this bill must be passed and signed quick enough to ensure service members don’t miss their pay on April 15. One way to help is to contact your elected officials and tell them to support Gohmert’s ‘Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act.’
Update: I was able to speak to a member of Rep. Gohmert’s staff who explained that military retirees and veterans receiving monthly GI Bill or comp and pen payments were not included in this bill because they are already protected from the affects of a government closure."
I have to assume that this means that unless this passed there will be no pay until later. Anybody hear anything about this?
WC, this is different. Back then, the defense budget was already signed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
It's not this time. There's a very good likelihood that, at the least, we won't get a paycheck on the 15th.
I doubt that would happen, but if it does... That would be brutal.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
With the border agents off work, we could have a new Hispanic holiday!
And here you are sitting at home with your rifles locked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
They're running out of time now, aren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
And last I checked, leadership knows as much about the situation as I do. It's a real clusterfork.
You got basically one more day and I promise you shit isn't going to stop it. And it won't be as short as the two in 95.
The notion that the House, Senate, and President can't sit down and find 60 Billion of cuts out of a multi trillion dollar budget is absolutely obscene.
Why would I lock up something so useful?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
I'm pretty sure there are prevision to continue pay to those "critical" ares of government.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
But...
I was recently very wrong on something. I'm only human and do make mistakes...
LOL @ the dipshit house wanting all the cuts to come from the EPA and Planned Parenthood.
Really? All the cuts?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Trust me, I'm pretty engaged on this issue, and every article I've read states that the military isn't getting paid, because they never originally approved the defense budget after October. (Which is why I can't get supplies I need for this shop. Grrr...)
Check it out WC:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ess-still-will
Now there are "essential" and "non-essential" personnel. Nearly all military will be deemed "essential", which means we're still working, just not getting any pay. "Non-essential" will be asked to stay home, I guess.Quote:
On the eve of a possible government shutdown, hundreds of thousands of federal workers and members of the military are at risk of not collecting a paycheck until after Congress reaches a deal to fund the government.
FWIW, Obama threatened a veto on the proposed "Fund troops" bill coming through. While I obviously would like to be paid, I understand why he would call for a veto. The whole "military not getting paid" thing is a big issue, and he doesn't want the Republicans to have an easy out by looking like the guys who made sure the troops got paid.
Still sucks though.
The president's party had plenty of time to come up with a budget for this year, way back when they were in control of the exec and legislative branch (aka a couple of months ago). Yet another political clusterfuck brought on by spineless politicians more focused on getting reelected rather than actually serving their fellow citizens.
No money for the war? Send everyone home then.
They already said that ain't happening. We'll still fight; we just won't get paid for it. How that works, I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I like how the Democrats finally decided they weren't going to cave on some thing, and it involves me getting paid. :lol
Don't count your chickens yet. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
You're fucking joking right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Apparently MB thinks the GOP would just stand by and let the democrats pass a budget in a lame duck session.
:lmao
Someone introduce him to the filibuster please.
Manny, this line from that article is priceless:
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Sure, they're an all-volunteer military, but they didn't think Congress would take that literally.
About the filibuster - I'm an idiot and I just realized you can't filibuster the budget. That being said, the idea that they would have been able to ram through a budget in a lame duck session is still a load of shit and would only serve to put this situation off a year even if they could manage to get a straight party line vote (with the blue dogs thats impossible).
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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
^^^ I thought so too. :lol
Yes, Manny. You're an idiot. Join the club.:lol:toast
Its not just about cuts. That should be obvious by now. The GOP wants to cut programs they don't like and are avoiding military cuts like the plague and they refuse to consider any tax raises at all. Obama has spent the first part of this year bending over and yet that still hasn't been enough for the GOP. At some point you eventually stop putting up with the bullshit and fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
The GOP pushed too hard.
I don't buy the contents of the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I will assume that the senate bill was for show only. Congressional checks would more likely not arrive than military checks with, or without the bill.
Can you show me a provision that automatically pays congress in the event of a shutdown? I didn't think so.
Someone is scaremongering I think.
Has anyone here asked their representative in congress, or the senate?
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
As long as I was the first to realize the mistake most of the damage is mitigated.
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
He vetoes that, and expects to blame the republicans?
I think I'm going to die laughing!
I am pretty sure Gates knows whether or not the military is going to be paid. When the Sec Of Def says you're not getting paid then I'm pretty sure you're not getting paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
So what? This is a short term budget. A lot of sacred cows from both sides of the aisle are gonna have to be slaughtered if they are ever going to REALLY get serious about deficits. It doesn't really matter which ones get killed first.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
That's why we lost in Viet-Nam. Congress stopped funding it, and the troops had to be pulled out. It became a very sour time in our history.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I thought they said they were getting paid but it would be a few days after they suppose to get paid???Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I agree with the veto. If the rest of us are going to feel the pain of a government shut down then everyone should. I know it sucks for the military members but at the same time I think it teaches our society an important lesson.
You're wrong about it not mattering which goes first. Completely. Tell that to the people who's programs would be getting cut this year while the rich go on about with their tax cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
It also sets precedent. The President is right to finally grow some damn balls here.
Reread the article I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
A budget is not about tax policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Even air traffic controllers?Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Obama has let us all down so many times before; no reason to think he won't again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Really? Fucking Really?
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Worse president since Jimmy Carter.
http://www.audioandanarchy.com/images/smilies/fack.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Broken clock, blind squirrel etc etc. I don't have high hopes, but maybe he'll magically land on a good action.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
A budget is about identifying necessary spending.
fifyQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
So what about the 6+ months the democrats had prior to the lame duck session to get a budget done?Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
If you believe its that simple then I don't know what to tell you. There are serious implications for tax policy in this budget fight and that should not even be debatable at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Yeah, it has nothing to do whatsoever with identifying income to support the spending.
VWRC haz skillz.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
They were too focused on trying to destroy our nation by other means.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Hey guys...I will be the first to agree that long term fiscal responsibility will require tax increases as well as budget cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
In the context of the current debate on the budget, however it is all about spending.
MB specifically said a couple of months. Its really pointless to say that the democrats fucked up the chance to fix the budget because of electoral politics in an election year considering our political system.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
To suddenly expect the democrats to rise above that is akin to expecting a one eyed unicorn to sit down on my lap and tell me a bed time story while making me richer than Bill Gates.
It also completely ignores that had that unicorn shown up, we'd be talking about the same thing just a year later. Better to just get it over with now, IMO.
If that were the case, you would expect the Republicans to budge first. Of course, they're not budging either. The Dems alrady said they'd be willing to sign a "clean" bill (ie. fund the military without spending cuts).Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
This is pure politics, both sides playing chicken.
Thats great that you will concede that but it doesn't change the fact that the GOP has made public statement after public statement that is the opposite of that. Perhaps if you or I were running the negotiations we'd actually get somewhere, CC, but we're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
And long term, the gorilla in the room is not tax policy but unfunded entitlements.
You can't talk about one without the other. Income and Expenditures go hand in hand.
The last time the government had a major shutdown was in 1995, and military members continued to work and receive pay during the government shutdown. What makes anyone think that won't happen again? Neither party will want the finger pointed at them.
Read the thread. Its been covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Actually CC is correct. The budget is what we feel like spending. Tax policy is what we feel like paying. The difference between the two is defecit.
Now in a rational world those two should be interdependent, but our political parties ditched such rational behavior decades ago..............
That situation was different. The defense budget was already agreed upon then. It's not now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Dude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I think there is some current law statute that continues to pay military members, Social security, Air traffic controllers, etc; in the event of a shutdown. At least there used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Jack, if the budget doesn't get approved, the military isn't getting paid. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Manny, if I have to start calling you Chicken Little also, we might start to confuse you and Boutons.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommersetDude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Wouldn't want that, would we?
I think you are listening to fear mongering. Just wish I could be more certain than I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I doubt Barry will let that happen. You will get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR