Next President of the United States. It's a lock. These debates better be Pay-Per-View.
"They won't be laughing anymore."
Disclaimer: He is not just doing this to promote his show. Which is on NBC Sundays @ 8pm. Check your local listings.
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Next President of the United States. It's a lock. These debates better be Pay-Per-View.
"They won't be laughing anymore."
Disclaimer: He is not just doing this to promote his show. Which is on NBC Sundays @ 8pm. Check your local listings.
Trump is gonna be like a right wing suicide bomber...he will damage Obama but kill his election chances in the process.
he cannot kill what never existed. And no, Trump won't damage Obama with his birther movement :lol
Is Trump really stupid enough to push birtherism, or is just pandering to the racist nutcases, like all the birther assholes?
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Because no one would ever question the citizenship of a white man.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050103224.html
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McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned
The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.
That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.
Article II of the Constitution states that "no person except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of president." The problem is that the Founding Fathers never defined exactly what they meant by "natural born citizen," and the matter has never been fully tested in court. At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president.
Jurists on both sides of the political divide, consulted by the McCain campaign, insist that the issue is clear-cut. They argue that McCain is a natural-born citizen because the United States held sovereignty over the Panama Canal Zone at the time of his birth, on Aug. 29, 1936; because he was born on a U.S. military base; and because his parents were U.S. citizens.
But Sarah H. Duggin, an associate law professor at Catholic University who has studied the "natural born" issue in detail, said the question is "not so simple." While she said McCain would probably prevail in a determined legal challenge to his eligibility to be president, she added that the matter can be fully resolved only by a constitutional amendment or a Supreme Court decision.
"The Constitution is ambiguous," Duggin said. "The McCain side has some really good arguments, but ultimately there has never been any real resolution of this issue. Congress cannot legislatively change the meaning of the Constitution."
Senators sympathetic to McCain's position, including Democrats Claire McCaskill (Mo.) and Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), dropped an earlier attempt to quell the eligibility controversy with legislation. McCaskill acknowledged in an interview that there is "no way" to completely resolve the question short of a constitutional amendment, a cumbersome process which could not be concluded before November.
She described the nonbinding resolution, which she sponsored, as "the quickest, clearest and most efficient" way for the Senate to send a message to the courts that McCain has the right to be president.
One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.
The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees citizenship services, declined to hand over copies of the document, saying the subpoena was improperly served.
In his autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain writes that he was born "in the Canal Zone" at the U.S. Naval Air Station in Coco Solo, which was under the command of his grandfather, John S. McCain Sr. The senator's father, John S. McCain Jr., was an executive officer on a submarine, also based in Coco Solo. His mother, Roberta McCain, now 96, has vivid memories of lying in bed listening to raucous celebrations of her son's birth from the nearby officers' club.
The birth was announced two days later in the English-language Panamanian American newspaper. A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter a copy of the senator's birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital."
Curiously enough, there is no record of McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department's bound birth registers, which are publicly available at the National Archives in College Park. A search of the "Child Born Abroad" records of the U.S. consular service for August 1936 included many U.S. citizens born in the Canal Zone but did not turn up any mention of John McCain.
Possible discrepancies in the bureaucratic paperwork are of little concern to Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor who looked into the case at the McCain campaign's request. Tribe examined the issue along with Theodore B. Olson, his onetime nemesis in the 2000 Supreme Court case Bush v. Gore.
Tribe said it would be "astonishing if the recordkeeping practices of Canal Zone [officials] could have any bearing on eligibility for the U.S. presidency."
The key constitutional issue is whether the Canal Zone was part of the United States at the time of McCain's birth. In a memorandum, Tribe and Olson cite a 1986 Supreme Court ruling stating that the United States "exercised sovereignty" over the 10-mile-wide area between 1904 and 1979, when it was handed back to the Panamanians. Hollander and others challenging McCain's eligibility argue that the zone was never part of the United States.
Duggin, the constitutional law scholar, said the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States.
According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status.
There are few precedents for someone born outside the 50 states running for president, let alone becoming president. The best example the McCain camp has been able to come up with is Vice President Charles Curtis, who served under President Herbert Hoover and was born in the territory of Kansas in 1860, a year before it became a state. The 12th Amendment requires that vice presidents possess the same qualifications as presidents.
Several prominent politicians have run for the presidency without having been born in the United States, including Barry Goldwater, who was born in the territory of Arizona in 1909, three years before it became a state. Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, ran in 1968, even though he was born in Mexico. Since neither Goldwater nor Romney won the presidency, the "natural born" clause was never tested.
Duggin believes that Hollander and the other plaintiffs are likely to have a hard time establishing their own eligibility, or legal standing, to challenge McCain. She said it will be difficult for them to demonstrate that they have been "disenfranchised" because of the mere presence on the ballot of a candidate with debatable constitutional qualifications.
But she said the matter should be sorted out before the election, rather than afterward: "Imagine what would happen if the courts were to overturn an election simply based on eligibility. It would be a disaster. After what happened in 2000, people would completely lose faith in the electoral process."
"people would completely lose faith in the electoral process"
Only simplistic, idealistic jerks still believe in the electoral process, that they're vote makes ANY difference.
Disenfranchisement by money is total in the UCA.
Darrin waves his mockery in his own face: the same question he "courageously" posed of Obama -- where is his proof of citizenship? -- he now waves off as facially absurd as applied to McCain. I wonder what accounts for the difference in treatment?
This is an interesting question, as illustrated by the cases of both McCain and Obama.
Namely, how is a candidate for the presidency qualified officially? Seems to me the process is negative, that is, someone has to prove that a given candidate doesn't meet the minimum requirement. Otherwise, they are eligible.
This is nothing more than a publicity stunt by Trump...getting his name out there even more...free press for this guy...nothing more...
I don't think he has any intention of running. If he did, he wouldn't handle the firecracker that labels him as a "birther." It's a publicity stung to keep his name in the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
It's not just the birther stuff...his "anti-China" rhetoric hits a populist chord too...Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
With my recent experience convincing the State Department that my children were born here and from evidence made public, including the Certificate of Live Birth issued by Hawaii, most people would not be able to get a passport if they applied for it - at a minimum a signature, or affidavit from an attending physician, midwife, etc. would be required.
I point this out primarily for irony's sake; not conspiracy's.
Bush was elected and re-elected, Obama was elected. Why is Trump being elected so far fetched?
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Originally Posted by Winehole23
Actually, I was pointing out that the issue has nothing to do with RACE.
But, you're really smart, so I know you picked up on that.
Actually, I believe you're wrong about that. McCain's eligibility was a mere blip, came and went without much ado. Birtherism is a conspiracist meme that lives to this day.
Really? I figured it had to do with Obama being black. Only after they went after him did anybody say shit about Mccain...or am I mistaken? I'm pretty sure no one would have said anything about Mccain if people weren't going looney over Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
every politician is vested by the FEDS...this is a stupid publicity stunt...
lol at the Uncle Tom spouting fools complaining about racism. (not you, but the left in general)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
This guy's posting style gives me a headache. It's like reading the ideas of a 14 year old girl.
It's not. He would probably make a good president. I just don't see him following through.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4>0rings
The latest Fox "News" poll actually has Obama trouncing Trump in an election...
Can you give a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by fraga
I agree with Bill Cosby:
Here's the poll:
For Release 6PM ET Wednesday, April 7, 2011
"Would you put boots on the ground in Libya? If we get to keep the oil, if not then no..."
I'm starting to like Trump more and more.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0pO1q4SbHa...d-hair-day.jpg
Fox Repug Propaganda network doesn't want Bad-Hair/Dyed-Hair Donny as Fox's candidate, but Murdoch/Ailes subsidize Trump anyway.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,1944277.story
Donny doesn't like Gail Collins
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Donald Trump Strikes Back
By GAIL COLLINS
Donald Trump has written a letter complaining about me.
“Her storytelling ability and word usage (coming from me, who has written many bestsellers), is not at a very high level,” he penned.
Although Trump and I have had our differences in the past, I never felt it was personal. In fact, until now, I have refrained from noting that I once got an aggrieved message from him in which he misspelled the word “too.”
But about the letter. Mainly, it’s a list of alleged evidence that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Trump has made this the centerpiece of his faux presidential campaign, falling further and further into the land of the lunatic fringe. I find this a disturbing spectacle — a little like seeing a guy you know from the neighborhood suddenly turn up in the middle of Times Square with his face painted blue and yelling about space aliens.
“Bill Ayers wrote ‘Dreams From My Father,’ I have no doubt about it,” Trump told Joe Scarborough, who reported on Politico.com.
Ayers is the former ’60s radical who became a huge Republican talking point in 2008 because he had once given a house party for Obama when he was running for state senate. It’s a pretty big jump from coffee and cookies to writing an entire book, but I guess that’s what neighbors are for.
“That first book was total genius and helped get him elected,” Trump continued. “But you can tell Obama did the second book himself because it read like it was written by somebody of average intelligence with a high school education.”
Did I mention that, in his letter, Trump complained about my calling him a “birther” because the word was “very derogatory and meant in a derogatory way”? Obama, of course, graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School — if you can believe Columbia and Harvard Law.
“Three weeks ago I thought he was born in this country. Right now I have some real doubts. I have people that actually have been studying it, and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” Trump announced on “Today.”
Trump does not actually seem to have people studying, or even Googling. Still, he sounds very self-assured. This is because before he was a reality-show host, he was in the New York real estate business, a profession in which it is vital to be able to say imaginary things with total certainty. (“I have five other people who are begging me to sell them this property. Begging.”)
Let’s run over some of his arguments:
THE GRANDMOTHER STORY “His grandmother in Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth,” Trump wrote. This goes back to a trans-Atlantic telephone call that was made in 2008 by Ron McRae, an Anabaptist bishop and birther, to Sarah Obama, the president’s 86-year-old stepgrandmother. He asked her, through an interpreter whether she was “present when he was born in Kenya.” The translator responded: “She says, yes, she was. She was present when Obama was born.”
It is at this point that some of the tapes floating around the Web stop, which means that the listener doesn’t get to hear the follow-up, which makes it very clear that Sarah Obama misunderstood. The full conversation ends with the interpreter saying, for the umpteenth time: “Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father, his father was learning there. The state of Hawaii.”
THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE If only Hawaii made its birth records public, and charged people a thousand dollars a pop to look at them, the state’s budget problems would be solved by the conspiracy theorists. However, it doesn’t. If you were born in Hawaii and request a copy of your birth certificate, you get a certification of live birth, which the federal government accepts for passports. Barack Obama requested his in 2007, and his campaign posted it on the Internet.
“A certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. I saw his. I read it very carefully. It doesn’t have a serial number. It doesn’t have a signature,” said Trump on “Today.”
The document has the stamped signature of the state registrar. The University of Pennsylvania’s FactCheck.org made a pilgrimage to the Obama campaign headquarters, examined the document, felt the seal, checked the serial number and reported that it looked fine.
THE EMPTY PHOTO ALBUM “Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere,” Trump told the Conservative Political Action Conference to great applause. “In fact, I’ll go a step further. The people that went to school with him, they never saw him; they don’t know who he is. It’s crazy.”
This week on CNN, Suzanne Malveaux played Trump clips of Hawaiians reminiscing about the schoolchild Obama for a documentary the network had done on the president.
“Look, I didn’t say that ... If he was 3 years old or 2 years old or 1 year old and people remember him, that’s irrelevant,” Trump responded. “You have to be born in this country.”
Recent polls have shown Trump running second among potential Republican primary voters. I believe this is not so much an indication of popularity as a desperate plea to be delivered from Mitt Romney.
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April 8, 2011
Donald Trump Responds
To the Editor:
Re “Donald Trump Gets Weirder,” by Gail Collins (column, April 2):
Even before Gail Collins was with the New York Times, she has written nasty and derogatory articles about me. Actually, I have great respect for Ms. Collins in that she has survived so long with so little talent. Her storytelling ability and word usage (coming from me, who has written many bestsellers), is not at a very high level. More importantly, her facts are wrong!
As far as her comments on the so-called “birther” issue, I don't need Ms. Collins's advice. There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth. His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in-they just don't know.
He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain. Equally of importance, there are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there-no bills, no doctors names, no nurses names, no registrations, no payments, etc. As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S. with all of the benefits thereto. Everybody, after all, and especially then, wanted to be a United States citizen.
The term used by Ms. Collins-“birther”-is very derogatory and is meant in a derogatory way. Had this been George Bush or almost any other President or Presidential aspirant, they would never have been allowed to attain office, or would have been thrown out of office very quickly.
For some reason, the press protects President Obama beyond anything or anyone I have ever seen. What they don't realize is that if he was not born in the United States, they would have uncovered the greatest "scam" in the history of our country. In other words, they would become the hottest writer since Watergate, or beyond.
Open your eyes, Gail, there's at least a good chance that Barack Hussein Obama has made mincemeat out of our great and cherished Constitution!
DONALD J. TRUMP
New York, April 7, 2011
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Donny needs to limit himself to tangling with gold-digging, arm-candy bimbos.
There you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJT
Darrin tried to point out Birthers don't care about race by pointing out McCain was questioned about his birth certificate? Holy shit.
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I can't help it if liberals like to tuck into the fetal position and suck their thumbs while they hide under their "race card" security blanket.
lol thinking McCain birthers were the same as Obama birthers
No, what you can't help is making stupid statements on an almost regular basis. I also don't get why you're so afraid of race being a huge issue. Does it really make you feel that bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
The race card is a tired, overplayed, and people see right through it. If nothing else, at least the left is persistent.
Sorry to say this Darrin, but you are wrong. There are a lot of stupid people out there who are fooled by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Poor, oppressed whitey....
lol @ grown man flaunting his video game k/d ratio and bringing up 14 year old girl mentalityQuote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
Stock up on dat dere mountain dew code red brah!
Birthers are racists (at least the Obama variety)
Tea Party are racists
Republicans are racists
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Some of them most definitely are.
"Wash, rinse, repeat."
Repeating the truth might just work as well as Repugs/Fox repeating lies.
I wonder if the PC crowd realized how bigoted they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
If there are any black surgeons in that crowd....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The eradication of racism is a Potemkin village in which white racists are rehabilitated as the sole surviving victims of racism.
Nice derail, Darrin. :tu
Not all republicans are racists, but all racists are republican...
.....Chris Rock
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
All black people think alike. ....Modern liberal.
He also said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
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There's a lot of racism going on. Who's more racist, black people or white people? It's black people! You know why? Because we hate black people too!