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Sorry Nbadan and other Obama supporters but I gave this dude a chance to "change" shit and I personally don't see it.
I was with you guys bashing Bush 24/7 but now I am beginning to wonder if we are better off with Bush back in office.
So I am going to be first to sign the
"Obama let me down" roll call _____
IN!
I didn't vote for Obama, so it's more accurate to say he didn't live up to his own promise(s) than that he let me down specifically. Obama ran as a change candidate. Once elected, he wasted no time morphing into an establishmentarian par excellence.
So your not going to sign in?
No. I was skeptical before he was elected. The disappointing part is that he fulfilled my expectations, not that he fell short.
So then in reality your just like him, your undecided and can't man up and put your name for something you support or feel strongly about?
I'm not undecided at all. I think Obama sucks. Will that do?
If Obama invades and occupies Libya then he can get that final step in towards being a Bush clone.
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Was way too easy to call tbh.
I never expected for him to be good. I knew he was fake and overhyped and voted in by the media and the sheep who followed. I expected what we are getting from him. I didn't vote for him either. And I'm far from Republican. I'd like to sign in, but I already knew he'd fail miserably. I'll sign in, but again, I already knew this is what we'd get. Wasn't one of the things brought up in debate was about him just voting "present" like 200 times or so? :lol
Maybe expectations were a little unrealistic by some hard-core supporters.....Obama still has to play by the Washington establishment rules....as far as saving Wall Street, it was a necessary evil....they would have taken the whole country down with them and the expense to revive the whole system would have been multiplied by 3, or 10.....he's bringing combat troops home from Bush's misadventure in Iraq and stabilizing Afghanistan...along with destroying terrorists in Pakistan, Sudan, and other middle east hell holes....much of the health-care disappointment comes from his own party who wish he had gone further with a single-payer system.....still, some reform is better than none and 40 million people have insurance now...
I don't think fighting for a public option and not having a financial team that stretched from Goldman to Sachs were unrealistic expectations.
....everything that needs to be done by the government to get the economy growing again is in full gear, but Obama cannot make private business hire American workers...despite what pro-globalist wing-nuts think....he's released almost all the innocent prisoners in GITMO and the rest will see their day in court, or face a military tribunal...
I'm with you, the system has to be reformed, but is the middle of the worst financial catastrophe the US has seen since the civil war thanks to Bush and the do nothing GOP Congress is hardly the time to get into a sword fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I'm not happy with every decision he's made in office, and am in fact quite unhappy with a few of them, but I never expected and/or demanded perfection. Our involvement in Lybia is particularly problematic to me, and a lot of how I judge his first term is going to be dependent upon what happens there. All of the other concessions he's made, however, and his failure to follow through on a number of his campaign promises, were inevitable -- the political landscape has become so divisive in recent years, and the democratic party has turned into such passive pussies, that anyone who expected Obama to run in and change shit on his own was hopelessly optimistic.
That's the power of the wing-nut echo chamber....Obama has kept a high percentage of his campaign promisesQuote:
All of the other concessions he's made, however, and his failure to follow through on a number of his campaign promises, were inevitable --
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ameter/browse/
I expected Obama to suck. I did not expect him to be W, the sequel.
he's not.....McCain would have been though....
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
What country has he invaded with ground troops again?
Present.
Obama has been weak on many progressive causes...including reforming Wall Street and health-care but comparing him to the disaster that was Bush, and the do-nothing Congress is disingenuous...
As I've posted before, had Bush just enforced the no-fly zone in Iraq, like Obama did in Lybia, there was no opposition...wing-nuts just like to make much ado about nothing...
..........because obviously whether or not Obama commits ground troops to a country we're not already in is the ONLY basis on which an Obama/Bush comparison can be made. Nevermind continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, continuing the Bush tax cuts, continuing massive defecit spending, continuing the patriot act, continuing corporate welfare giveaways, etc, etc, etc......................Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I've already addressed Lybia....most combat troops are being pulled from Iraq, with only a token force to stay and basically protect the flow of oil....keeping the U.S. economy stable....we are taking the war to the terrorist in Afghanistan, but I think we will see combat troops pulled from there when the Afghanistan govt is stabilized...or compromise is made with the Taliban...Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
He cannot simple repeal the Bush tax cuts, that's a failure of Congress, namely Harry Reid to rally blue-dog democrats, however, at least the dems don;t walk lockstep with their party ideology....basically, democracy works....Quote:
continuing the Bush tax cuts,
Consider yourself lucky, the lack of responsibility by the do-nothing GOP congress who let industry write their own regulation and rules for their own over-sight is what led us into this mess in the first place.....Quote:
continuing massive defecit spending,
temporarily, but it likely won't be extended again...or I would be surprised if it was...Quote:
continuing the patriot act
I agree, lets cut all farm and ethanol subsidies and eliminate corporate tax loop holesQuote:
continuing corporate welfare giveaways
Barry didn't have a chance against corrupt, paralyzed, polarized DC.
The Repugs are hell bent on fucking up govt to prove to their base that govt is fucked up.
Being a Chicago native I was already familiar with the guy so I wasn't expecting much. But as was previously said I didn't expect him to be like W so damn much though.
Plus, I thought anyone who wanted to be president in 2008 was absolutely insane. I think the same in 2012 as well.
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
It's called the lesser of two evils.
I'm with you there. i knew he was unqualified as a leader. Being qualified by the minimum requirements of the constitution does not make one a good leader. I think he will go down as the worse president in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
I didn't want to see McCain as president either. Fucking RINO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I figured this topic would be on page 5 by now and that can only mean two things, either you voted for Obama, or your afraid to criticize him.... in any event I understand your situation.
I didn't vote for him and I'm not afraid to critisize him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Actually, if you refer to my election 2008 posts, you will see he has exceeded my expectations on pissing off the left.
I would like to see that post
nevermind the fact that the dems had control of the congress for how long and didnt fix a damn thing? hell they couldnt even pass a budget for FY '11....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
i think barry o is in over his head and should have stayed in congress a little longer then 180 days before he started campaigning for president. that way he would have had a clue about what he was getting himself into.
Obama's actions in office just further prove that the president isn't actually running things.
I would be surprised if they didn't piss their pants again and extend it, but who knows: maybe they like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Maybe they got used to it, or presume we already did.
This man point, I who is running thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by greyforest
I wouldn't know which of the many posts prior to the 2008 elections it was. These were me sentiments however, and I posted such ideas in various posts and threads. I would like to show you, but I'm not going to look. for it. Feel free however to scour through the thousands of posts during that time-frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
You don't recall me saying words to the effect that once elected, Obama would see things he didn't know before and fail on his campaign promises?
Why would you be surprised? Obama the senator voted for it, Obama the president extended it. Obama's commitment to the Patriot Act is pretty clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Something we agree on. Unfortunately Obama agrees with W on this and not us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
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Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
I would say : In.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
I was fully aware that Obama would end up a centrist, and probably do or say things that would piss me off.
That said I have to confess to more than a little bit of disappointment that he has so closely followed in the imperial presidency footsteps of his predecessor. I expected a certain amount of disappointment, but this... :bang
Are we better off with Bush and the ideological litmus tests in place of say, competence? Fuck no.
*That* said, there is no fucking way I would ever vote another Republican into the white house. Any given GOP candidate would probably be somewhat moderate, but would have to populate his administration with the extremists that seem to run the GOP these days.
Obama campaigned on change. Well, he sure did change his campaign promises...
For those of you who Obama let down:
Hmm. I'll vote for the most qualified candidate. Fuck the party bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue