California delegation seeking economy answers in Austin

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California delegation seeking economy answers in Austin
By Kirk Ladendorf | Thursday, April 14, 2011, 11:50 AM

A delegation of California lawmakers showed up in Austin Thursday looking for policy answers to stem that state’s massive outflow of jobs.

The bipartisan group includes a dozen state officials, including Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, who have traveled to Texas looking for new ways to bolster the troubled economy in their own state.

“Over the past three years, California has lost 1.2 million jobs, while Texas has actually gained 164,000 jobs,” said Assemblyman Dan Logue, a Republican from a district north of Sacramento. “Texas like everybody else was hit by the recession but they are setting an example on how to grow their way out rather than tax their way out.”

The California group was set to meet with Gov. Rick Perry, various Texas legislators and California business executives who have decided to invest more heavily in Texas. Andrew Puzder, CEO of the Carls Jr. restaurant chain was scheduled to talk with the group over lunch.

“We want to meet with the businesses that left California and get a detailed understanding of why they picked up shop, and moved their families and their businesses nearly 2,000 miles away,” Logue said. “We want to understand what really triggered that.” (CG: It's called a tax break you dipshit.)

“We are afraid there is going to be a recovery, and California will not be a part of it. If we want to not lay off teachers, we have to grow the economy.”

Economist Donna Arduin, a former California director of finance, said a big part of the state’s problem is its heavy tax and regulatory burden and its lack of government spending discipline. California, with its high state income tax rates, is seen as an example for other states on what not to do to promote economic growth.

She suggested the state move toward flattening its tax rates and look to see where its regulatory burden on businesses its out of line with other states.

A flatter tax structure would help smooth out the state’s revenue stream and zero-based budgeting would help keep the state from increasing spending too much when the economy is booming.

“Fiscal policies matter a lot,” she told the group

Two things surprise me here. One, California looking to us for ideas. Two, it taking an entire delegation making a trip to learn what can be summed up in two sentences.

"How do you get companies to leave California and relocate to Texas?"

"We pay them to."

Not that simple.

Low cost of living. Good quality of life. Low taxes. Business friendly environment.

California's income tax is already pretty flat. You pay either 10% or 11% unless you make less than about $47K a year.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Not that simple.

Low cost of living. Good quality of life. Low taxes. Business friendly environment.

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True, an oversimplification on my part.

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True, an oversimplification on my part.

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"We pay them to" is the main player tho.

Yeah, the cost of living is night and day in Texas vs Cali. Try getting a decent meal in LA for $5. Tons of places (besides McDonalds) in Texas to do it.

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We are afraid there is going to be a recovery, and California will not be a part of it. If we want to not lay off teachers, we have to grow the economy.

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Pretty ironic when this is exactly what Texas is doing now.

My wifes company orginated in California. They moved to Dallas 4 years ago because the tax was so freaken high. The owners loves California and hated moving thier business down here. Start with that. Keep your businesses in your state and lower the taxes.

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LOL taking field trips half way across the country to understand common sense. Not saying Texas is doing it right, but gd Cali you really really dumb, fo' real.

Democrat policies not working in California?

shocking

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Democrat policies not working in California?

shocking

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LOL Bush tax cuts... how'd that work out for the country?

Funny how California is looking to a state that had Governor Bush as one who help set the policies. How could this be?

Texas is 20 billion plus in the hole just for 2011 and they have a super majority of wing-nuts in the TX legislature...the real reason companies move to TX may not 'obvious' as wing-nuts lead you to believe...for example, many companies moved into the Westover Hills area because they were given tax abatement, or corporate welfare to locate there by the city and because CPS, a public owned utility, could provide needed energy at a decent price...

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LOL Bush tax cuts... how'd that work out for the country?

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Our elected democrat and republican leaders extended them, so apparantely they think those cuts worked out just fine.

dubya's tax cuts of $1T+ put the country in the debt hole that the Repugs claim is the priority.

dubya's tax cuts of $1T didn't stop stagnation of household real income, nor create jobs.

"Where Are The Jobs?" (Big Repug Lie: tax cuts and cutting spending create jobs)

100 days after winning the House, nothing proposed from the Repugs about illegal immigration or jobs.

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Our elected democrat and republican leaders extended them, so apparantely they think those cuts worked out just fine.

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:rolleyes

how have they worked out?

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Texas is 20 billion plus in the hole just for 2011 and they have a super majority of wing-nuts in the TX legislature...the real reason companies move to TX may not 'obvious' as wing-nuts lead you to believe...for example, many companies moved into the Westover Hills area because they were given tax abatement, or corporate welfare to locate there by the city and because CPS, a public owned utility, could provide needed energy at a decent price...

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DUH!


And we are happy they did.

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:rolleyes

how have they worked out?

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Not too well IMO. Congress should have let all the tax cuts expire.

Unfortunately for us, our democrat and republican elected leaders are cowards and idiots.

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:rolleyes

how have they worked out?

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Dunno. Ask our elected leaders?

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Not too well. Congress should have let all the tax cuts expire.

Unfortunately for us, our democrat and republican elected leaders are cowards and idiots.

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This. :tu

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Not too well IMO. Congress should have let all the tax cuts expire.

Unfortunately for us, our democrat and republican elected leaders are cowards and idiots.

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cowards and itdiots I agree.


I'd like to see the administration hold their ground this time and let the cuts expire or end. We want shared sacrifice so let's share the pain... that is what I would tell the GOP.. why not the rich feel it also? Why only the middle and lower class folks?

Meanwhile, back home, California legislators are dealing with really important issues like mandating that "gay history" be taught in schools...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...LACaR56dA.cspx

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cowards and itdiots I agree.


I'd like to see the administration hold their ground this time and let the cuts expire or end. We want shared sacrifice so let's share the pain... that is what I would tell the GOP.. why not the rich feel it also? Why only the middle and lower class folks?

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That's a good question, GGA. Although, to be fair, that picture is painted pretty broadly since we both know, I think, a fair number of rich people who do "get it."

More telling would be the traits that separate those of us that do get it, from those of us that don't/can't.

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Meanwhile, back home, California legislators are dealing with really important issues like mandating that "gay history" be taught in schools...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...LACaR56dA.cspx

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Which is every bit as important as that fucking sonogram bill our house just passed.:td

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That's a good question, GGA. Although, to be fair, that picture is painted pretty broadly since we both know, I think, a fair number of rich people who do "get it."

More telling would be the traits that separate those of us that do get it, from those of us that don't/can't.

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I think it's more a function of how you define 'rich". Just raising taxes on those making over $250,000 isn't gonna cut it. The big money is in the middle class.

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Which is every bit as important as that fucking sonogram bill our house just passed.:td

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yep. Sonogram bill was dumb.

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That's a good question, GGA. Although, to be fair, that picture is painted pretty broadly since we both know, I think, a fair number of rich people who do "get it."

More telling would be the traits that separate those of us that do get it, from those of us that don't/can't.

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It's the battle to frame an issue... Frame the issue the right way and you win.

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Meanwhile, back home, California legislators are dealing with really important issues like mandating that "gay history" be taught in schools...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...LACaR56dA.cspx

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They got nothing on TX Board of Education erasing Thomas Jefferson from history books, having Creationism fairy tales offered in public schools as plausible, scientific alternative to biological evolution, which is disparaged as "just a theory".

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cowards and itdiots I agree.


I'd like to see the administration hold their ground this time and let the cuts expire or end. We want shared sacrifice so let's share the pain... that is what I would tell the GOP.. why not the rich feel it also? Why only the middle and lower class folks?

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I certainly agree that the taxes on the rich need to go up, but we still have about half the country who is paying $0, or less, in income taxes. There's a lot of people in the middle and lower classes getting a free ride. Their taxes need to go up too.

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I think it's more a function of how you define 'rich". Just raising taxes on those making over $250,000 isn't gonna cut it. The big money is in the middle class.

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Yep.

Cost of 2yr Bush extension for >$250k = $81.5 billion
Cost of 2yr Bush extension for <$250k = $463 billion

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/07/news...bama/index.htm

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yep. Sonogram bill was dumb.

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+1

If Texas is so attractive, why do we have to bribe companies and race tracks and super bowls to come here?

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Meanwhile, back home, California legislators are dealing with really important issues like mandating that "gay history" be taught in schools...

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also important things like banning smoking on your own porch

http://www.ocregister.com/news/smoki...tios-city.html

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Our elected democrat and republican leaders extended them, so apparantely they think those cuts worked out just fine.

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DeLay had nothing to do with it?

Barry folded. It's said he agreed to extend wealthy tax cuts in order to get non-wealthy tax extended. He should have played hard ball, no deal, ALL tax cuts expire.

Then we would have seen how serious Americans were about the Repugs fabricated deficit crisis and protecting future generations from debt burden.

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Not that simple.

Low cost of living. Good quality of life. Low taxes. Business friendly environment.

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...shitty minimum wage jobs. If Cali wants to emulate us, they just need to open a shit load of FF restaurants, payday loan places, and Walmarts. Oh, and give a bunch of richers tax breaks, lowering the balance in their state coffers even more.