Serious Thread. How would you beat the Pistons?

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Originally Posted by whottt

To beat the Pistons...

On O...

I'd try move Sheed or Ben out of the paint as much as possible to soften up that middle for Duncan Manu and Parker...that's something Nazr can't do...something that Rasho(he can do it better than Nazr) and Horry can...

Any time Sheed is out of the paint you take it right at Wallace...especially with Duncan..and try to get him into foul trouble...Duncan's ability to get the Pistons bigs in foul trouble is a huge advantage for us that the Pistons can't match.


On D...

The guys you need to stop are Billups and Prince...not Billups and Hamilton or Prince and Hamilton...

Billups and Prince are the guys that can break down our D...Not Rip...Rip is a jump shooter...he scores off other guys breaking down our D. He should not be the defensive focus...he should be the guy we force to beat us and the focus should be on Billups and Prince.


Rip is going to get his because he uses his teamates to get open...he's the guy we're are least likely to be able to stop because of the nature of his game...

Parker will do ok against Billups...but Billups is clutch in the 4th...

That leaves the X factor as Prince...Manu is not good at denying penetration...Prince is the most talented penetrator on their team IMO..put Bruce on him and turn him into a shooter...a frustrated shooter.



That is how you beat the Pistons...they want us to put our best defender on Rip...because when it's all said and done Rip will still get his...and he'll turn Prince into a monster while we are trying to stop him.

It's a huge error IMO to waste Bruce on Hamilton...I hope it's not the main thing that the Spurs do with Bruce.

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Good points but you still don't know what you are gonna get from both ends..


Remember this is the finals...

I say stick with what we've done for the last 3 games against them.

Horry should get more minutes than Mohammad. Rasho is not the answer and would fit well against Miami because of Shaq but you need more outside threats. Putting Duncan at center would force Ben to guard him and Rasheed to guard Horry. This is the best option over Mohammad at center. Stick with the same lineup but have Horry come in earlier for Mohammad.

The last time we played them they beat us..

The last time we beat them we nearly choked a huge lead because we tried to play half court inside out with them in the 4th...

And because Billups went off on us and Prince killed us with garbage...

The Pistons are built to destroy our typical half court offense...when TimVP said they were built to beat the Spurs...he was talking about the Spurs team that did that...the old Spurs

They most definitely are not built to beat us with Manu, Barry and Parker playing their dizzying perimeter game they played early in the season and when Duncan was injured late.

I don't want to see Duncan getting the ball in the 4th if the Pistons are running their set D, I want it going through Manu, Parker, and Barry on the perimeter...running it through Duncan with Sheed and Wallace in the paint...that's a disaster in the making if you ask me. Tim is going to turn it over...

The only reason we beat them that one time this season was because Barry came in ice cold off the bench and nailed two clutch FT's when the rest of the team was choking them...

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Originally Posted by whottt

The last time we played them they beat us..

The last time we beat them we nearly choked a huge lead because we tried to play half court inside out with them in the 4th...

And because Billups went off on us and Prince killed us with garbage...

The Pistons are built to destroy our typical half court offense...when TimVP said they were built to beat the Spurs...he was talking about the Spurs team that did that...the old Spurs

They most definitely are not built to beat us with Manu, Barry and Parker playing their dizzying perimeter game they played early in the season and when Duncan was injured late.

I don't want to see Duncan getting the ball in the 4th if the Pistons are running their set D, I want it going through Manu, Parker, and Barry on the perimeter...running it through Duncan with Sheed and Wallace in the paint...that's a disaster in the making if you ask me. Tim is going to turn it over...

The only reason we beat them that one time this season was because Barry came in ice cold off the bench and nailed two clutch FT's when the rest of the team was choking them...

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Yeah they beat us last game, btw... I noticed it was a really close game until the end..without the best player in the NBA....



Yeah we almost choked on a 21 point lead in SA the game before that..but do you really think that will happen again?

That's why that game was controlled till the end, they tried to avoid it and I'm guessing they will try to avoid it again aswell.

"I'd do him and I'm straight" Are you sure you are straight? It sounds pretty bad to me. I would not be showing that on my post if I were you.

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Originally Posted by Sense

Yeah they beat us last game, btw... I noticed it was a really close game until the end..without the best player in the NBA....

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And you know why it was as close as it was without Duncan? Because we didn't have the option of getting conservative with Duncan in the 4th...we had to use our perimeter game...just like we did when we built that big lead on them in the first game...

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Yeah we almost choked on a 21 point lead in SA the game before that..but do you really think that will happen again?

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If we get conservative it WILL happen again...and not only will it happen...but we won't win this series.

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That's why that game was controlled till the end, they tried to avoid it and I'm guessing they will try to avoid it again aswell.

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The Pistons are better at a conservative half court game than we are now...maybe not on defense...but on offense they definitely have the edge in that type of game because they will attack from 3 different angles...we'll pretty much be attacking with Duncan. Every team in the NBA knows how to disrupt that offense when they know it is coming. Wallce squared will destroy it.

The pistons have the edge on defense. Spurs will have to force turnovers to get easy fastbreak opportunities that will give them the edge on offense. In a half court set Detroit wins.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

The pistons have the edge on defense.

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You keep making this statement and I can only conclude that the reason you keep making it is because you are a Mav fan and have never seen any semblance of defense...

PPG Allowed - Spurs
FG% Allowed - Spurs
Assits PG Allowed - Spurs
Turnovers forced per game - Spurs
Turnovers made per game - Spurs
Defensive Rebounds per game - Spurs
Steals per game - Spurs
Blocks per game - Spurs

All NBA defenders - Spurs

Care to explain why you keep making that statement?

The only things that count in the Pistons favor...

3pt PCT

They have the DPOY...guess what? We had the guy that came in second...and he's not the guy on our team that has made 8 consecutive all 1ST NBA defensive teams.


Just give me your logic in continually making that statement with zilch to back it up...otherwise I am just going to consider you a typical Mavs fan that does not know D.

We were #1 in PPG allowed...even with Duncan missing substantial PT...

We did this in the conference with the top 3 scoring teams in the NBA...


Gimme something to show me why you keep making that statement. There is nothing to back it up...at worst we are their equal.

i think whott just popped a vien in the head---watch out mavs

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

"I'd do him and I'm straight" Are you sure you are straight? It sounds pretty bad to me. I would not be showing that on my post if I were you.

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Are you stupid? Obviously it's a fucking joke, I've talked about this before... the last thing you want to do is try to "insult" me about it.


And I wouldn't give a shit what anyone thought about it... it shows that I have respect for the man in the long run..

The same team last year who the Lakers scored at will at against the Pistons were able to shut down. Many pistons games this year were lack of interest games that shouldn't mean much. When it comes to the playoffs the pistons have proven to defend when it really counts. The spurs try harder on defense during the season. Phoenix scored 103 points a game against San Antonio and the Lakers also scored alot last year. You don't remember how good this Detroit defense can be. They still haven't reached their peak but it could happen in the finals.

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Originally Posted by whottt

And you know why it was as close as it was without Duncan? Because we didn't have the option of getting conservative with Duncan in the 4th...we had to use our perimeter game...just like we did when we built that big lead on them in the first game...





If we get conservative it WILL happen again...and not only will it happen...but we won't win this series.



The Pistons are better at a conservative half court game than we are now...maybe not on defense...but on offense they definitely have the edge in that type of game because they will attack from 3 different angles...we'll pretty much be attacking with Duncan. Every team in the NBA knows how to disrupt that offense when they know it is coming. Wallce squared will destroy it.

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-Duncan did struggle in the first game, but I believe it was only for the first half.. I mean the boy had an 18 and 18 game..



-What makes you think the Spurs won't get conservative in the FINALS? Don't you know this Spurs team? It's the Finals.. you have to keep that in your head..

-The problem is not that the detroit pistons have a way to attack on offense...it's our approach to their offense... will our defense come out? We haven't been able to play against half court teams in the whole playoffs... we had to beat them at their own game and we did.. I don't think they are the better offensive team because of that, but it will definately be a wakeup call for the Spurs when they have to realize we have to play the old "D".


On these types of games, Rasheed will not end up giving his team a win... due to Duncan, because Duncan's gonna carry his..he's been here before and Rasheed hasn't been on a series where he has to face a 2 time Finals MVP..

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

The same team last year who the Lakers scored at will at against the Pistons were able to shut down. Many pistons games this year were lack of interest games that shouldn't mean much. When it comes to the playoffs the pistons have proven to defend when it really counts. The spurs try harder on defense during the season. Phoenix scored 103 points a game against San Antonio and the Lakers also scored alot last year. You don't remember how good this Detroit defense can be. They still haven't reached their peak but it could happen in the finals.

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Let me put it simple..


Spurs Defense>Detroit Defense

I hope you understand like this..

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Originally Posted by Sense

Are you stupid? Obviously it's a fucking joke, I've talked about this before... the last thing you want to do is try to "insult" me about it.


And I wouldn't give a shit what anyone thought about it... it shows that I have respect for the man in the long run..

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I guess I missed that joke since it was some lame humor. I also heard you got kicked off before because of acting bad. All that I know is I would be embarrassed with that written on my post.

do the pistons take a 10pt advantage after the first quarter?? due to a bit of rust/slow legs

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I guess I missed that joke since it was some lame humor. I also heard you got kicked off before because of acting bad. All that I know is I would be embarrassed with that written on my post.

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lame humor? Actually it's funny to spurs fans, if you don't see the humor in it what makes you think I'm serious?

You heard I got kicked off? Yeah I did....so what's your point? My point is I'm still here, and I can tell you no to try to insult me.

And I really don't care if you would be embarrased with that written on your signature...

I would be embarrassed of having a Mavericks Avatar..



Do you see my point?

The Spurs can run Detroit to death. If the Spurs get into exchanging baskets and a half court set than it is Bye Bye Spurs.

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Originally Posted by AFE7FATMAN

The Spurs can run Detroit to death. If the Spurs get into exchanging baskets and a half court set than it is Bye Bye Spurs.

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I really can't believe most spurs fans think that running is what the Spurs should do to win.

Have you guys forgotten about the D that got them there?


Please don't give them the offense title because if they try this they will lose.

I really think the Spurs are the better half court team and they have proved it against this team.

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Originally Posted by Sense

lame humor? Actually it's funny to spurs fans, if you don't see the humor in it what makes you think I'm serious?

You heard I got kicked off? Yeah I did....so what's your point? My point is I'm still here, and I can tell you no to try to insult me.

And I really don't care if you would be embarrased with that written on your signature...

I would be embarrassed of having a Mavericks Avatar..



Do you see my point?

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I see that you are a big time homer and can't give the pistons any credit for anything. They only won the championship last year. I think the spurs are better on offense so it will be an interesting series. People have complained about you insulting not just me but other people. If you could just calm down and give other people on this forum some respect you wouldn't have gotten kicked off.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I see that you are a big time homer and can't give the pistons any credit for anything. They only won the championship last year. I think the spurs are better on offense so it will be an interesting series. People have complained about you insulting not just me but other people. If you could just calm down and give other people on this forum some respect you wouldn't have gotten kicked off.

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1. How am I a Homer? Don't tell me I don't give credit to the Pistons because I do.. I however don't give credit to the Mavs..and that pisses you off.

2. I know they won a championship last year, but I don't believe they got the best matchup in the finals... they deserve it..but I would've loved for them to face the better team in the finals... because I always wondered, "what if?".

3. You think the Spurs are better on offense because they just beat the suns are their game, and the sonics... who cares, that didn't get them to where they have been all the time.. a championship contender.. it's the defense idiot..learn it. Atleast your Mavs tried this year.

4. As far as I know I got another chance... I wouldn't mind getting kicked off if people voted me off.. but I haven't seen that, the only people I insult are the trolls that come to this forum, and the idiots that try to insult me, the spurs, or the fans.

5. I know I got kicked off, and I apologized to Kori, if you would've been on the Spurs bandwagon earlier you would've seen in what kind of situation I was.

I suggest you don't try to point me out of the crowd by claiming I insult everyone.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

The same team last year who the Lakers scored at will at against the Pistons were able to shut down. Many pistons games this year were lack of interest games that shouldn't mean much. When it comes to the playoffs the pistons have proven to defend when it really counts. The spurs try harder on defense during the season. Phoenix scored 103 points a game against San Antonio and the Lakers also scored alot last year. You don't remember how good this Detroit defense can be. They still haven't reached their peak but it could happen in the finals.

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This is much better...unfortunately...you still don't have much to back up your claims...

LA scored 88 PPG("at will") against us last season in the playoffs...

They scored 81.8 PPG against the Pistons...

A whopping 7 PPG difference...

Do ya think the Second Leading scorer in NBA history, being injured might have had just a leeeeeeettle bit to do with that 6.2 point difference? Even at his old age?

The much maligned Rasho held Shaq to 22PPG...he averaged 26 PPG against the Pistons..and they are the Shaq stoppers?


As for these playoffs..lmao..The freaking Nuggets averaged almost as many PPG as the Heat...the best offensive team the Pistons have played...and the Nuggets are the worst offensive team we have played...

The Suns are pretty tough to stop BTW...in case you didn't notice.

What should scare the hell out of the rest of the NBA is that we beat them with our offense...without really fighting much on D.

There are people on this forum that don't agree with me but don't follow with comments like idiot, moron, and etc. I wish you could learn from that.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

There are people on this forum that don't agree with me but don't follow with comments like idiot, moron, and etc. I wish you could learn from that.

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I wish you wouldn't be an idiot so you would understand.

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Originally Posted by whottt

This is much better...unfortunately...you still don't have much to back up your claims...

LA scored 88 PPG("at will") against us last season in the playoffs...

They scored 81.8 PPG against the Pistons...

A whopping 7 PPG difference...

Do ya think the Second Leading scorer in NBA history, being injured might have had just a leeeeeeettle bit to do with that 6.2 point difference? Even at his old age?

The much maligned Rasho held Shaq to 22PPG...he averaged 26 PPG against the Pistons..and they are the Shaq stoppers?


As for these playoffs..lmao..The freaking Nuggets averaged almost as many PPG as the Heat...the best offensive team the Pistons have played...and the Nuggets are the worst offensive team we have played...

The Suns are pretty tough to stop BTW...in case you didn't notice.

What should scare the hell out of the rest of the NBA is that we beat them with our offense...without really fighting much on D.

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There isn't much difference in the defenses but I think Detroit has more muscle and length to follow their defense. I could see teams score alot against San Antonio despite their tenacious defense but Detroit can beat you in a different way. Rasheed and Ben Wallace are 2 of some of the top defensive big men in the league. Mohammad is not quite there.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

There isn't much difference in the defenses but I think Detroit has more muscle and length to follow their defense. I could see teams score alot against San Antonio despite their tenacious defense but Detroit can beat you in a different way. Rasheed and Ben Wallace are 2 of some of the top defensive big men in the league. Mohammad is not quite there.

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Do you remember that nazr got traded from the knicks? I'd say it's pretty hard to adjust to pop's style of play when you come from such a bad team.

As far as I know, the Spurs have bowen and Duncan...2 of the 5 best defenders in the league.

If San Antonio is willing to let other teams score, as long as they get the win...they will, who cares about the ppg avereged against them, the win is the only thing that matters.


You also underestimate Rasho Nesterovic...