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YES let's make this an argument about Tort Reform. Then we can talk about the American Dream and profits.. next let's move to Freedom of Speech for the phony 'conferences' ...
Dude you're probably make 300k selling Drugs (although not for Merc..) GOOD FOR YOU. I've got no problem with that. BUT, let's not act like that there isn't something VERY wrong with the drug business now...
There are bound to be complications when taking drugs for such a long period of time. It is something that everyone knows while taking them. You'd be a fool to believe that the drugs wouldn't have any lasting effects.
Oh, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by spvrs
That's the tired class warfare rhetoric of a Howard Dean follower.
I don't sell pharmaceuticals. I don't make $300k (I wish!) and most sales reps pull around $40-$60k per year.
Yes, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN THE DRUG INDUSTRY.
But, don't go off placing the Mercks of the world into the same sleaze category that I'd happily place several other companies into.
I don't get why he is suing. Didn't his Physician tell him the side effects? If not, he should be suing his Physician or learning how to read.
You take a risk putting anything into your body....and a fool to think that taking anything long term would have no adverse affect on you.
That wouldn't be what you'd sue for. You'd sue if the maker knew there were risks and didn't mention them. These drugs are marketed for people with chronic pain... that means you use it all the time.
If people wanted to get more information regarding what they are putting into their bodies, especially for long term use they should not only rely on their Doctor's word or advice. Most Doctors don't even spend enough time with their patients. Sometimes you just need to self-educate.
he'd be suing because the information was nowhere to be found or misrepresented. When someone has been given the right to sell to the public that's the deal.
This is basically the contract -- you get boat loads of money with exclusive rights for 7 years but you have to test it and provide the information
Tim Derk must have been taking more than 400mg on daily basis. Vioxx and Bextra were found to really significantly increase the chance of heart attack or stroke if you are taking a larger amount than 400/day.
The fact is, all of these COX-IIs are dangerous when taken chronically and in large amounts pose a significant risk of causing stroke or heart attack (including Aleve).
Tlong, I work in Pharmaceutical Benefit Management and I think it's only a matter of time before Celebrex is pulled as well. I think the pharmaceutical companies are going to have to go back to the drawing board with their COX-II products and see if can tweak the formula to accomplish the pain relief these drugs have brought many people, without the side effects that have devastated many families.
Being the Coyote must make a guy really, really sore.
I wonder if he ever won his lawsuit?
I heard Merck settled a lot of suits.
From what I understand Vioxxx was advertised as the first anti-inflammatory that could be taken without long term health risks. It was the whole point of Vioxxx that it could be taken regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
:lol this is a necro post. NVM.
Is he the Coyote who got tossed out of the game?
No this is an old post from 2005...Its about the coyote that was replaced.
And if he received a settlement we likely will never hear about it. They usually have pretty strict non disclosure terms as part of any settlement.
Most older people like my parents do take pain relievers everyday. Its no slight to someones character taking prescription pain relievers everyday like Derk did with his type of career as a mascot.
Hopefully he wins.
COX-2 specific inhibitors should work well in theory, but all of them cause some serious side effects. Just 5-10 years ago, they were all the rage.
Derk has a long road legally, I'm sure Merck has top notch legal reps to cover their asses.
If his doctors had him on it then he has no reason to stop taking it. It must have been doing some kind of good having it over that long of a period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
that mascot outfit is toughQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
i know alot of mascot peeps and i cannot be in there for 10 minutes.
Its tough work and bad on your back at times
Get well Tim
I love how the Pharmaceutical Pimp in this thread is more than happy to apologize for that industry making money, but then goes to the "greedy lawyers" card. Ironic, strategic...who does america hate more than greedy medical companies?
The lawyers that make big profits from those torts are taking a risk, in that they are putting hours and hours of work into a suit that may turn out nothing. Working for commission means sometimes they don't get paid, so the higher paying suits that do pay for the ones that lose. Now, I for one think making millions for a settlement does not make sense, but if we are going to point fingers at "greedy" lawyers while backing medical companies that make a higher profit margin than any other f500 company...wft?
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
A wide variety of aliments are treated with a regular anti-inflammatory regimen. Taking these meds isn't limited to treating the everyday aches and pains that people normally assume them to be used for (ie musculoskeletal pain, joint pain, etc.)
Could be that he was suffering from Asthma, IBD or even psoriasis......
Which is why, when you pick up a scrip, you are told all the known side effects, and dangers. How many people actually read these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatita
But without them (the drugs), many people would lead tortured existences. So do you want to be pain free or live in misery? My bet is on the pain free side.
About all you can do is have good genes, and never get sick. Otherwise you can take a pill to possibly aid you or maybe even kill you. If you want to be able to live a normal life, you take the pill. If you would rather suffer daily, you don't.
Doctors may prescribe them, but no one puts a gun to your head and makes you take them.
There are risks in every drug. You need a good relationship with your doctor and your pharmicist so you can make the best decision for you. Chronic pain is hard to live with, a lot of people choose the meds even though they know the side effects and risks.
I saw him last night and he looks very tired :depressed
I still can't believe how he used to be our mascot for many years...
sorry to hear about the mascot
even more sorry to read the socialist esq responses in this old thread.
- Mars
That was the normal recommendation for many using vioxx and celebrex just a few years ago. The patients were told to stay on it, for 6 months for 2 years in a lot of cases. This was before the link of Vioxx to cariovascular problems, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
In fact, before my father had knee surgery, the insurance company insisted that he get a Rx for Vioxx for 6 months. He went to the doc, got the scrip, but never took Vioxx. He had the knee surgery 6 months later and it was covered, had he not gotten the Rx, he was told that the insurance co. would have denied his claim.
My uncle was not so fortunate. He was on Vioxx for 2.5 years. The only reason he is alive is because the blood clot he formed was 12 inches long and in his right lung. He didn't have a stroke for the same reason. He has now had serious problems with arrythmia, but is actually doing better.