Senate rejects Coburn bill to repeal ethanol subsidies
WASHINGTON – By a vote of 59-40, the Senate on Tuesday afternoon struck down a measure to roll back $6 billion in federal ethanol subsidies.
S.1057, dubbed the "Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act," would have repealed a 45-cents per gallon tax credit for ethanol blended into gasoline as well as a 54-cent tariff on imported ethanol. The controversial ethanol credit is hailed by proponents as a boost to domestic energy production and rejected by opponents as a gratuitous giveaway.
Twenty-five Democrats joined 34 Republicans to defeat the bill, which was forced to a vote by Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), as an amendment to the Economic Development Revitalization Act.
The vote caused some friction within the conservative movement. The billionaire Koch brothers backed the Coburn amendment, citing free-market principles and opposition to federal subsidies. But conservative activist Grover Norquist decried it as an effective tax increase, something he and his group American For Tax Reform virulently oppose.
The debate over ethanol subsidies on Capitol Hill is heavily colored by the fact that Iowa, a major beneficiary of the policy, holds the first primary test for presidential contenders. It's also complicated because farm-state senators such as Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) are motivated by local politics to support them.
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ah hell. That sucks.
06-14-2011
boutons_deux
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corrupted politicians take care of wealthy Corporate-Americans, and screw (poor) Human-Americans.
06-14-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Wondered when you'd work that in. Missing is "Repug".
06-14-2011
boutons_deux
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Gfy
06-14-2011
TeyshaBlue
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:lmao
06-14-2011
scott
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Wait... so boutons is WITH the Koch brothers on this one?
06-14-2011
Borat Sagyidev
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Bad decision. Very bad decision to not pass this repeal.
Ethanol form corn is nothing more than the result from heavy farm lobbying. It's grossly inefficient and and drives up the cost of food. Brazil produces ethanol 6 times more efficiently form sugar cane...AND THEY ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
Not to mention the state (TX) focuses on the increase of NoX emissions from biodiesel and ignorse ethanol increase. It's corruption all over, thanks to farm lobying
The Kochbrothers did right here, but by accident and their own self interest. Bachman would have opposed this because her family is built on welfare/farm subsidies.
06-14-2011
boutons_deux
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I figger the Kocks own or have interests in production of Brazilian sugar ethanol, so would benefit maybe more from the tariff disappearing than from all that nasty work of producing domestic corn ethanol.
06-14-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
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Boutons, figgers.
06-14-2011
Borat Sagyidev
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I just wonder when the GOP of Dems are going to pass something that isn't tainted with wealth and kickbacks for the wealthy.
Health care to Defense to Agriculture, most people are getting shafted.
06-14-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I figger the Kocks own or have interests in production of Brazilian sugar ethanol, so would benefit maybe more from the tariff disappearing than from all that nasty work of producing domestic corn ethanol.
George Soros sure as hell does.:lmao
06-14-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Oh my...a little reading reveals the Koch Bros are into US Ethanol, not Brazillian.
bouton's head just asploded.
06-14-2011
Borat Sagyidev
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I can't think of what's worse. 1) this corn subsidy f* over the economy or 2) running backwards through a cornfield naked
06-14-2011
boutons_deux
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Oh my...a little reading reveals the Koch Bros are into US Ethanol, not Brazillian.
bouton's head just asploded.
I say they're into both, asshole. GFY, after you get your teeth on my ankles.
06-14-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Senate rejects Coburn bill to repeal ethanol subsidies
Went to Thomas to look at the vote, and it's not updated yet. Guess i have to wait till tomorrow.
Dammit. I wanted to raise hell with my senators or praise them for their vote.
06-14-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I say they're into both, asshole. GFY, after you get your teeth on my ankles.
You say a lot of shit, bot. But it don't make it so.:lmao
06-15-2011
MannyIsGod
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Why are you guys busy fucking with boutons when he actually brings up a valid point?
06-15-2011
TeyshaBlue
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What point was that, Manny?
06-15-2011
ElNono
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Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
What point was that, Manny?
How stupid this action was. Dude made two posts not even blaming the GOP and highlighting how the Dems went along with him and you guys had to drag him back to bot mode.
I'm sick of these stupid nonlogical efforts to keep funneling money to corn ethanol when its neither clean nor efficient. I wish this country would go AWAY from corn and instead we artificially make it more profitable than we should FOR NO GOOD REASON!
06-15-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Point taken, Manny. Props to boutons.:toast. I guess I can be a bit Pavlovian in my responses.:lol
And completely agree on the Ethanol point.
06-15-2011
CosmicCowboy
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Proving again that politics is local. This was a farm state vs. non farm state vote and the farm states won. In the Senate, South Dakota is just as powerful as California or Texas.
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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This does not compute.
The OP lists S 1057 as the one voted down. However, it was not discussed in congress on 6/14. S Admd 436 was voted on and titled listed as Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Coburn Amdt. No. 436; To repeal the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit. However, i was unable to find text for it outside of this:
Quote:
SA 436. Mr. COBURN (for himself and Mr. Cardin) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 782, to amend the Public Works and Economic Development Act of 1965 to reauthorize that Act, and for other purposes; as follows.
Beginning on page 17, strike line 14 and all that follows through page 18, line 10, and insert the following:
(a) Brightfields Demonstration Program.--Section 218 of the Public Works and Economic Development Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. 3154d) is repealed.
(b) Termination of Global Climate Change Mitigation Incentive Fund.--Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Commerce shall terminate the Global Climate Change Mitigation Incentive Fund of the Department of Commerce.
Looking deeper I found this is what would be repealed in (a):
-STATUTE-
(a) Definition of brightfield site
In this section, the term "brightfield site" means a brownfield
site that is redeveloped through the incorporation of 1 or more
solar energy technologies.
(b) Demonstration program
On the application of an eligible recipient, the Secretary may
make a grant for a project for the development of a brightfield
site if the Secretary determines that the project will -
(1) use 1 or more solar energy technologies to develop
abandoned or contaminated sites for commercial use; and
(2) improve the commercial and economic opportunities in the
area in which the project is located.
(c) Savings clause
To the extent that any portion of a grant awarded under
subsection (b) of this section involves remediation, the
remediation shall be subject to section 3222 of this title.
(d) Authorization of appropriations
There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section
$5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2004 through 2008, to remain
available until expended.
I don't see it as an ethanol subsidy. Maybe someone wants to research it.
I am baffled. I tend to believe the title had nothing to do with the text, but was an intentional misdirection.
The bill to be amended is S782. Here is the removed text by the amendment:
Quote:
Section 218 of the Public Works and Economic Development Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. 3154d) is amended—
(1) by striking subsection (a) and inserting the following:
‘‘(a) DEFINITION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY SITE.—
In this section, the term ‘renewable energy site’ means a brownfield site that is redeveloped through the incorporation of 1 or more renewable energy technologies, including, but not limited to, solar, wind, and geothermal technologies.’’;
(2) in subsection (b)—
VerDate Mar 15 2010 22:51 May 02, 2011 Jkt 099200 PO 00000 Frm 00017 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S782.RS S782 Emcdonald on DSK2BSOYB1PROD with BILLS
(A) in the matter preceding paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘brightfield’’ and inserting ‘‘renewable energy’’; and
(B) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘solar energy technologies’’ and inserting ‘‘renewable energy technologies, including, but not limited to, solar, wind, and geothermal technologies’’; and
(3) in subsection (d), by striking ‘‘2004 through 2008’’ and inserting ‘‘2011 through 2015’’.
I was unable to find ethanol.
help.....
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Akaka
Baucus
Begich
Bennet
Bingaman
Blumenthal
Boxer
Brown
Cardin
Carper
Conrad
Coons
Durbin
Feinstein
Franken
Gillibrand
Hagan
Harkin
Inouye
Johnson
Kerry
Klobuchar
Kohl
Landrieu
Lautenberg
Leahy
Levin
McCaskill
Menendez
Merkley
Mikulski
Murray
Nelson
Nelson
Reed
Reid
Rockefeller
Schumer
Shaheen
Stabenow
Udall
Udall
Warner
Whitehouse
Wyden
Wyden
Democrats voting Yes:
Cantwell
Manchin
Pryor
Tester
Webb
Republicans voting No:
Blunt
Coats
Cochran
Grassley
Hoeven
Johanns
Kirk
Lugar
Moran
Portman
Roberts
Thune
Wicker
Republicans voting Yes:
Alexander
Ayotte
Barrasso
Boozman
Brown
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Cornyn
Crapo
DeMint
Enzi
Graham
Hatch
Heller
Hutchison
Inhofe
Isakson
Johnson
Kyl
Lee
McCain
McConnell
Murkowski
Paul
Risch
Rubio
Sessions
Shelby
Snowe
Toomey
Vitter
Other:
Casey (D) No Vote
Leiberman (I) Yes
Sanders (I) No
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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I tend to believe you have no idea what you are talking about anyway -- but if those are the actual texts, do the words "but not limited to" mean anything to you?
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I tend to believe you have no idea what you are talking about anyway -- but if those are the actual texts, do the words "but not limited to" mean anything to you?
Yes, I saw that, but there is no trail to it.
Care to show me by chance?
My God. The votes listed don't match roll call 89. There is clearly something fishy.
06-15-2011
Blake
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It doesn't look to have been any kind of update here, but I don't see any reason to discredit the author in the op.
Yes, I looked it up initially. When it didn't show up after a day, I did some digging, hence my posts today. It was never voted on, the OP is lying about which bill:
Quote:
S.1057
Latest Title: Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 5/24/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.1075, H.R.1188, S.520, S.871
Latest Major Action: 5/25/2011 Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 69.ALL ACTIONS:
5/24/2011:
Introduced in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.
5/25/2011:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 69.
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's your trail. You showed it to us.
I showed you the OP is wrong.
Need to stop believing leftist media without verifying.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Yes, I looked it up initially. When it didn't show up after a day, I did some digging, hence my posts today. It was never voted on, the OP is lying about which bill:
Meh. If the OP has it wrong, great.....then there's still a chance for repeal.
Why do you think it's a fishy situation?
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Meh. If the OP has it wrong, great.....then there's still a chance for repeal.
Why do you think it's a fishy situation?
Why is the journalist lying?
Why does the bill voted on have a title that doesn't fit the action?
These questions are why.
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I showed you the OP is wrong.
Nah, as I said, my default is to believe you have no idea what you're babbling about.
Quote:
Need to stop believing leftist media without verifying.
There are plenty of right wing sources in the 800 or so stories that verify what happened
and verify that you are completely wrong.
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Nah, as I said, my default is to believe you have no idea what you're babbling about.
There are plenty of right wing sources in the 800 or so stories that verify what happened
and verify that you are completely wrong.
Show me.
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Show me.
If you are too stupid to look it up yourself, ask a black person to help you.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Why is the journalist lying?
Why does the bill voted on have a title that doesn't fit the action?
These questions are why.
I know 8 year olds that can out-investigate you using google.
Pathetic.
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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lol "my capabilities"
06-15-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
someone at the LOC fucked up?
sounds fishy to me....
Say what you want. I found the actual amendment, different from the LOC linked material.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Say what you want.
k.
I say you're a nutjob that jumped to a crazy, conspiracy conclusion because of your poor google skillz.
06-15-2011
boutons_deux
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I read where the many Dems supported the bill but objected to some procedures, and that very probably it will be presented, maybe by the Dems, in different form.
Sounds like typically overcomplicated BS, bowing to corporate $$.
kill the subsidy, kill the tariff, period.
06-15-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I read where the many Dems supported the bill but objected to some procedures, and that very probably it will be presented, maybe by the Dems, in different form.
Sounds like typically overcomplicated BS, bowing to corporate $$.
kill the subsidy, kill the tariff, period.
The tariff needs to stay, or do you want the corporations to buy foreign instead of local?
06-15-2011
TeyshaBlue
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I'm assuming by corporations you mean oil companies. You do realize that they're buying foreign right now, right? You don't think all that oil we buy is domestic, do you? The only reason we're blending ethanol right now is because it's subsidized. Without the subsidy, it's not feasible economically. Imported ethanol might be, but that case hasn't been made yet.
06-15-2011
coyotes_geek
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I'll vouch for WC's googling skills on this one. Transcripts from the congressional record clearly show a debate specifically about ethanol, but the text of the amendment on the LOC website doesn't have anything to do with ethanol.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I'll vouch for WC's googling skills on this one. Transcripts from the congressional record clearly show a debate specifically about ethanol, but the text of the amendment on the LOC website doesn't have anything to do with ethanol.
neh, he couldn't do a simple search of conservative sources that also reported the story, even when ChumpDumper basically laid up what to put in the search box for him.
thus the fishy smell reported by his conspiracy nose.
06-15-2011
coyotes_geek
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I'm just vouching for his googling of the LOC website. Not any conspiracy theories or other conclusions he's trying to draw.
06-15-2011
MannyIsGod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
STFU you moron.
:lmao
06-15-2011
Winehole23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
neh, he couldn't do a simple search of conservative sources that also reported the story, even when ChumpDumper basically laid up what to put in the search box for him.
thus the fishy smell reported by his conspiracy nose.
If WC omitted to check Fox or Right Blogistan before googling that's to his credit.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I am baffled. I tend to believe the title had nothing to do with the text, but was an intentional misdirection.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
My God. The votes listed don't match roll call 89. There is clearly something fishy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
It was never voted on, the OP is lying about which bill:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I showed you the OP is wrong.
[you] Need to stop believing leftist media without verifying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
There are plenty of right wing sources in the 800 or so stories that verify what happened
and verify that you are completely wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Show me.
No credit.
06-15-2011
Winehole23
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WC treads thin ground when he relies upon his own lights, no doubt. We all do. I salute WC's attempts to think for himself. Gruesomely misfired though they may be, they are occasionally fountains of hilarity. That is worth something.
06-15-2011
Winehole23
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Without the daily spectacle of jackassed absurdity in all its human and post-human forms, this forum would be no fun.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I salute WC's attempts to think for himself.
I salute anyone that thinks for themselves.
I make fun of anyone that doesn't think twice before double checking and posting their stupid conclusions.
06-15-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Without the daily spectacle of jackassed absurdity in all its human and post-human forms, this forum would be no fun.
I would never encourage it, but I agree that it would suck without it.
06-15-2011
Winehole23
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(urp)
06-15-2011
Winehole23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
I make fun of anyone that doesn't think twice before double checking and posting their stupid conclusions.
If that was all you did you'd be indistinguishable from ChumpDumper. :wow
06-15-2011
MannyIsGod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
WC treads thin ground when he relies upon his own lights, no doubt. We all do. I salute WC's attempts to think for himself. Gruesomely misfired though they may be, they are occasionally fountains of hilarity. That is worth something.
If thats what constitutes thinking for one's self I'm deeply saddened.
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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Does the word "ethanol" have to be in a bill that could include ethanol?
06-15-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The tariff needs to stay, or do you want the corporations to buy foreign instead of local?
I want to stop using corn for ethanol. The only reason it is being used is because it is heavily subsidized and protected by tariffs. Brazil's ethanol scheme may not be perfect, but it's much better than this stupid corn business.
06-15-2011
ElNono
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I salute WC's attempts to think for himself. Gruesomely misfired though they may be, they are occasionally fountains of hilarity.
:lol
06-15-2011
CosmicCowboy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I want to stop using corn for ethanol. The only reason it is being used is because it is heavily subsidized and protected by tariffs. Brazil's ethanol scheme may not be perfect, but it's much better than this stupid corn business.
X2
WC, this is one you should really give up on and hope it just fades away into the archives.
06-16-2011
boutons_deux
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The tariff needs to stay, or do you want the corporations to buy foreign instead of local?
If you support a tariff on imported sugar cane ethanol to protect local industry, then would you support an tariff on imported oil?
Americans aren't mature enough to reduce their driving consumption on their own, they need to be beat with price stick, like taxing transport fuel to $6 or $7 a gallon. Short-sighted, infantile, greedy Americans are already switching back to lowest-mileage land yachts and other vehicles as the price of gas has dropped recently.
06-16-2011
Winehole23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
:lol
FWIW, the salute was sincerely meant.
06-16-2011
Winehole23
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That is not an endorsement of anything it has caused WC to say then or subsequently, nor is it a defense of the same.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I read where the many Dems supported the bill
The article said 25 voted yes when only 5 did.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
If WC omitted to check Fox or Right Blogistan before googling that's to his credit.
People will believe what they want, but I never seek their sites out. When I seek out a specific source, I prefer USA Today and the likes.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
No credit.
Blake, I based all that on the fact I couldn't find anything related in the material linked to the amendments talked about.
The Library of Congress had the wrong amendment linked. I never expected them to do that!
After I explain that, you still have to rail against me.
You most certainly have some poor morality and ethics.
06-16-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
People will believe what they want, but I never seek their sites out. When I seek out a specific source, I prefer USA Today and the likes.
But you didn't look there either.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
X2
WC, this is one you should really give up on and hope it just fades away into the archives.
You too missed the post where I said the LoC had the wrong material linked.
All my original posts are wrong, based on the LoC having the wrong amendment text linked.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I want to stop using corn for ethanol. The only reason it is being used is because it is heavily subsidized and protected by tariffs. Brazil's ethanol scheme may not be perfect, but it's much better than this stupid corn business.
I want to do away with it too. Think it will happen if we remove the $0.54/gallon tariff?
06-16-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I want to do away with it too. Think it will happen if we remove the $0.54/gallon tariff?
And the subsidies, yes.
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
But you didn't look there either.
Library of Congress is the preferred source for bills in congress, but it was wrong.
Give it a rest.
My statement meant to reflect that I don't go to the usual suspect sites.
06-16-2011
ChumpDumper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Library of Congress is the preferred source for bills in congress, but it was wrong.
Reading the text you posted, I don't think it was wrong. You just didn't understand what was being debated.
Quote:
Give it a rest.
:lol
Quote:
My statement meant to reflect that I don't go to the usual suspect sites.
USAToday is about as mainstream as media gets.
And still, you didn't go to it.
06-16-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Blake, I based all that on the fact I couldn't find anything related in the material linked to the amendments talked about.
The Library of Congress had the wrong amendment linked. I never expected them to do that!
so that means something's fishy!
Quote:
After I explain that, you still have to rail against me.
You most certainly have some poor morality and ethics.
I didn't have to rail against you, I just wanted to.
You're an ass for jumping to shitty conclusions.
06-16-2011
Winehole23
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Bitter? I heard they got a pill for that now.
06-16-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Bitter?
me? no. I've been called worse than morally poor. :lol
06-16-2011
Winehole23
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How lame. It's like that sometimes.
06-16-2011
ElNono
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YOU LIE! ankle bitter, VRWC!
06-16-2011
TeyshaBlue
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
YOU LIE! ankle bitter, VRWC!
gfy
06-16-2011
Blake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
gfy
Bot!
06-16-2011
boutons_deux
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Senate votes to end $6 billion in ethanol subsidies
The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to eliminate billions of dollars in support for the U.S. ethanol industry, sending a strong message that the era of taxpayer support for biofuels is ending.
The Senate in a 73-27 vote approved an amendment to end the 45-cent-a-gallon subsidy the government gives refiners and the 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on imported ethanol, which would be a boon to a major ethanol-producing country such as Brazil that makes ethanol from sugarcane.
The Senate measure still faces a long road to becoming final. The White House issued a statement saying it was against a full repeal of ethanol subsidies, indicating it could use its veto power if the amendment continued to advance in Congress.
Almost 3/4 of the senators. More than 70% of each party and both independents.
Same amendment. I wonder why the change?
06-16-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Anyone else think the ethanol industry in the USA will collapse if this passed as is? How many more jobs lost?
If people want ethanol, I'm OK with that. I'm just not OK with subsidizing it. However, to also remove the tariffs also... what sense is that?
I'll add that the corn and ethanol industries are both safe with the mandated ethanol in gas, unless cheaper ethanol from elsewhere is used.
I say keep the import tax.
06-17-2011
Winehole23
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
wc SUPPORTS CONTINUED DISTORTION OF THE MARKET VIA TAXATION. INTERESTING MOVE FOR wc
06-17-2011
Winehole23
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Are you sentimental about farmers or somethin?
06-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Tariffs distort the free-market for the better...
06-17-2011
ChumpDumper
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Wild Cobra loves him some taxes and hopelessly inefficient energy schemes.
Let the corn go to soda and tortillas like God meant it to be.
06-17-2011
boutons_deux
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
"I'll add that the corn and ethanol industries are both safe"
cherry picking even bogus facts.
UCA industrial agriculture and beef/pork factories are unsustainable, with extremely high externalized costs.
We'll see if the algae bloom from the poison dumped into the Gulf by the floods is really the biggest ever this summer.
Our fucking fat ass, greedy, UCA-created/dictated lifestyle is unsustainable.
06-17-2011
RandomGuy
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Borat Sagyidev
Bad decision. Very bad decision to not pass this repeal.
Ethanol form corn is nothing more than the result from heavy farm lobbying. It's grossly inefficient and and drives up the cost of food. Brazil produces ethanol 6 times more efficiently form sugar cane...AND THEY ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
Not to mention the state (TX) focuses on the increase of NoX emissions from biodiesel and ignorse ethanol increase. It's corruption all over, thanks to farm lobying
The Kochbrothers did right here, but by accident and their own self interest. Bachman would have opposed this because her family is built on welfare/farm subsidies.
Brazil is only energy independent because they produce a lot of oil themselves, not because ethanol is capable of running their economy.
Venezuela is busy copying the Brazillian model as well. Their oil production is right up there with Brazil and they are currently building out 15 sugar cane/ethanol plants.
06-17-2011
Borat Sagyidev
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Brazil is only energy independent because they produce a lot of oil themselves, not because ethanol is capable of running their economy.
You do realize that brazil has much more significant ethanol contribution?
Regular petrol must have at least 25% ethanol there, and they have plenty of 100% ethanol pumps as well
06-17-2011
RandomGuy
Re: Ethanol credit, subsidy, and tariff voted down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
This does not compute.
The OP lists S 1057 as the one voted down. However, it was not discussed in congress on 6/14. S Admd 436 was voted on and titled listed as Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Coburn Amdt. No. 436; To repeal the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit. However, i was unable to find text for it outside of this:
Looking deeper I found this is what would be repealed in (a):
May 25, 2011 - Placed on Calendar Senate. This is the text of the bill once it was placed on a calendar of business in the Senate. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.
Quote:
S 1057 PCS
Calendar No. 69
112th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 1057
To repeal the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
May 24, 2011
Mr. COBURN introduced the following bill; which was read the first time
May 25, 2011
Read the second time and placed on the calendar
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A BILL
To repeal the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act’.
SEC. 2. REPEAL OF VEETC.
(a) Elimination of Excise Tax Credit or Payment-
(1) Section 6426(b)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking ‘December 31, 2011’ and inserting ‘the later of June 30, 2011, or the date of the enactment of the Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act)’.
(2) Section 6427(e)(6)(A) of such Code is amended by striking ‘December 31, 2011’ and inserting ‘the later of June 30, 2011, or the date of the enactment the Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act’.
(b) Elimination of Income Tax Credit- The table contained in section 40(h)(2) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--
(1) by striking ‘2011’ and inserting ‘the later of June 30, 2011, or the date of the enactment of the Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act’, and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
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‘After such date zero zero’.
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(c) Repeal of Deadwood-
(1) Section 40(h) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking paragraph (3).
(2) Section 6426(b)(2) of such Code is amended by striking subparagraph (C).
(d) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to any sale, use, or removal for any period after the later of June 30, 2011, or the date of the enactment of the Act.
SEC. 3. REMOVAL OF TARIFFS ON ETHANOL.
(a) Duty-Free Treatment- Chapter 98 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States is amended by adding at the end the following new subchapter:
9823.01.01 Ethyl alcohol (provided for in subheadings 2207.10.60 and 2207.20) or any mixture containing such ethyl alcohol (provided for in heading 2710 or 3824) if such ethyl alcohol or mixture is to be used as a fuel or in producing a mixture of gasoline and alcohol, a mixture of a special fuel and alcohol, or any other mixture to be used as fuel (including motor fuel provided for in subheading 2710.11.15, 2710.19.15 or 2710.19.21), or is suitable for any such uses Free Free 20%’.
(b) Conforming Amendments- Subchapter I of chapter 99 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States is amended--
(1) by striking heading 9901.00.50; and
(2) by striking U.S. notes 2 and 3.
(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section apply to goods entered, or withdrawn from warehouse for consumption, on or after the later of June 30, 2011, or the date of the enactment of this Act.
Calendar No. 69
112th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 1057
A BILL
To repeal the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit.
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May 25, 2011
Read the second time and placed on the calendar
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