"Belief in a literal interpretation of a Bible declines as educational attainment..."

... increases.

Forty-six percent of Americans with a high school education or less take the Bible literally, compared with no more than 22% of Americans with at least some college education. The majority of Americans with at least some college education believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.

The number drops to 15 percent for college grads while a whopping 25 percent of postgraduates see the Bible as a book of fables/legends. This will confirm for liberals some of the reasons for fundamentalist hostility toward state-supported education (public schools) and academia."

New Gallup Poll Shows 3 in 10 Americans Take The Bible Literally

http://www.politicususa.com/en/poll-...iticus+USA+%29

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Well, the English versions are fairy tails. The 17th century translations are simply wrong on many accounts. When you read it accounting for other common usages of the original words of their time, it isn't in conflict with anything.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Well, the English versions are fairy tails. The 17th century translations are simply wrong on many accounts. When you read it accounting for other common usages of the original words of their time, it isn't in conflict with anything.

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What exactly do you mean by not in conflict?

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What exactly do you mean by not in conflict?

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With the various meaning of the word as originally written, there is nothing in conflict with science as we know it today.

so politicsusa is drawing causation from a poll. Beyond moronic. But hey, lap that shit up.

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With the various meaning of the word as originally written, there is nothing in conflict with science as we know it today.

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Whatever floats your boat, tbh... If everybody interpreted words whichever way they want to, they would never be in conflict with anything.

Heck, half of your posts would probably make sense.

causation? who said anything about being uneducated and ignorant causing people to believe every word in the Bible is literally true?

Propose other variables that might cause people to hold such naive, childish, anti-scientific beliefs.

They're just upset because it's so true and predictable.

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causation? who said anything about being uneducated and ignorant causing people to believe every word in the Bible is literally true?

Propose other variables that might cause people to hold such naive, childish, anti-scientific beliefs.

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You tell me... you drink at the trough of thinkprogress.com. Doesnt get much more childish, naive and anti-scientific than that. Were you not completely eaten by a childish anti-christianity crusade, you might allow for the concept of faith and commitment. Being an atheist myself, I dont share the faith aspect of christianity and frankly, Im not sure I understand the phenomena completely. However, I dont feel sufficiently frightened/threatened by their beliefs to mock their faith as you seem to do at every turn.

"you might allow for the concept of faith and commitment"

I don't deny anybody any concept of "faith and commitment". They can all go "drink the kool-aid" for all I care.

But when these assholes start inflicting their fucked up morality and bullshit "science" on others, and expect taxpayers to pay for it, or have a strategy of destroying public education, then I "deny" them that criminal "right".

They can have whatever the fuck "faith" they want, just keep it to themselves and quit forcing it down the throat of everybody else, quit claiming USA was founded as a "Christian" country, and that there is no such thing in the Constitution as separation of church and state.

Specifically, Bible literalists and ID/Creationists are particularly fucked up. I work with some who are very intelligent, technically competent, normal outside of their "religion", but once they get into that "compartment", they're really weird. That schizo compartmentalization indicates to me they're sick, and not me.

btw, "Christians" who spend all their energy and Bible "research" obsessed with crazy-assed, angry, vengeful, vindictive, eye-for-eye OLD Testament are fucking hypocrites. Where's Christ in their strategy, other than nominally on their lips?

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so politicsusa is drawing causation from a poll. Beyond moronic. But hey, lap that shit up.

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Are you implying its an unrelated correlation? Obviously this poll was not taken in a vacuum over this subject.

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You tell me... you drink at the trough of thinkprogress.com. Doesnt get much more childish, naive and anti-scientific than that. Were you not completely eaten by a childish anti-christianity crusade, you might allow for the concept of faith and commitment. Being an atheist myself, I dont share the faith aspect of christianity and frankly, Im not sure I understand the phenomena completely. However, I dont feel sufficiently frightened/threatened by their beliefs to mock their faith as you seem to do at every turn.

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I can kind of see what you're saying and I can kinda agree with it because I don't think its right to mock anyone's faith no matter how unrealistic others may find it. That being said, its hard not to make it a political issue of some sort when you have faith driven nut jobs like Michelle Bachman who would openly deny others their rights based upon their faith or when those who hold that faith openly attack our education systems.

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Are you implying its an unrelated correlation? Obviously this poll was not taken in a vacuum over this subject.

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I think that TB is implying that

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politicsusa is drawing causation from a poll. Beyond moronic. But hey, lap that shit up.

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Yeah - but then my question still stands. lol.

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Are you implying its an unrelated correlation? Obviously this poll was not taken in a vacuum over this subject.

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Im saying that I dont know what the relationship may be and a singular poll certainly doesnt bring much illumination. In order to establish anything approaching
a hypothesis even, would require an array of polls. A targeted survey would likely be a better tool in some respects.

There a lot of PhD's and MD's out there who believe that murdering Christians and Jews will get them 72 virgins in paradise.

Eh, I don't think thats the only poll conducted on this subject at all. I think there's been a well established trend that the higher your education level goes the lower the likelyhood of you being a fundementalist or a "literalist" if you will. I think the causation is pretty hard to lay on anything else but I haven't really read up on it that deeply.

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There a lot of PhD's and MD's out there who believe that murdering Christians and Jews will get them 72 virgins in paradise.

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Did anyone say otherwise?

Exactly, Darrin, there is a parallel, same phenomenon that "Christian" militant extremists supremacists who think they can obey what they think is God's hihger law and violate man's law (eg, murder abortionists) are precisely equal to Muslim militant extremists.

I suggest we get both groups of extremists into a "cock fight Crusades redux" and let the cocksuckers elminate each other. The world would certainly be better off.

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There a lot of PhD's and MD's out there who believe that murdering Christians and Jews will get them 72 virgins in paradise.

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So they fix up the infidels just to kill them later.

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I can kind of see what you're saying and I can kinda agree with it because I don't think its right to mock anyone's faith no matter how unrealistic others may find it. That being said, its hard not to make it a political issue of some sort when you have faith driven nut jobs like Michelle Bachman who would openly deny others their rights based upon their faith or when those who hold that faith openly attack our education systems.

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Its obvious that American society is evolving from the christian templates that have dominated for the last couple of centuries to a more secular/humanist model. For a myriad of personal and pragmatic reasons, I welcome this movement. However, resistance should be expected, and if we truly wish for an organic evolution, it should be welcomed as well. The linear process of evolution does not take place in a vacuum. That said, witnessing resistance realized in politics is also not surprising.
Politcs offers significant leverage to those who wield it. However, as was amply demonstrated by th Tx SBOE clusterfuck, the voting populace is the ultimate regulator of this power....hence the expulsion of fundamentalist hardliners like Cyghia Dunbar. It will take time for the evolutionary process to marginalize outliers like Bachman, but its all but inevitable with time.

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Eh, I don't think thats the only poll conducted on this subject at all. I think there's been a well established trend that the higher your education level goes the lower the likelyhood of you being a fundementalist or a "literalist" if you will. I think the causation is pretty hard to lay on anything else but I haven't really read up on it that deeply.

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That singular poll was the basis for the OP. Do the math.

"That singular poll was the basis for the OP"

trashing talking singularity? you pretentiously misuse singular. What's your problem with single?

And the article was about that one poll. Should they have waited until they had many polls?

polling of who tea baggers are brings up the same demographics. white, ignorant, uneducated.

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What's your problem with single?

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He's got you there, TB. boutons's single point attack on your diction was successful.

Shame!

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Whatever floats your boat, tbh... If everybody interpreted words whichever way they want to, they would never be in conflict with anything.

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Except those with other beliefs.

How many different types of Christians do we have?

Haw many different types of Jewish, etc?

People already interpret it differently.

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He's got you there, TB. boutons's single point attack on your diction was successful.

Shame!

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Not really. Boutons-bot's ESL skills are not up to snuff. Singular is easily parsed to reveal discreet. But, he wont find that on thinkprogress.borg.

Lebesgue's decomposition theorem.

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"That singular poll was the basis for the OP"

trashing talking singularity? you pretentiously misuse singular. What's your problem with single?

And the article was about that one poll. Should they have waited until they had many polls?

polling of who tea baggers are brings up the same demographics. white, ignorant, uneducated.

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Back that shit up, bot.

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Singular is easily parsed to reveal discreet.

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You are correct. Very subtle, senyor. I think you mean discrete, tho.

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That singular poll was the basis for the OP. Do the math.

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Well I can't argue that but I don't see the point of limiting the conversation to just the OP.

"Parsed to reveal" is unwieldy, but this is a mere quibble.

How would one go about proving causation in such a case though? I think correlation is the best that can be found.

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You are correct. Very subtle, senyor. I think you mean discrete, tho.

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Whaddaya want for nothin'? A rubber biscuit? /Elwood Blues.

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How would one go about proving causation in such a case though? I think correlation is the best that can be found.

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ok...draw those conclusions based on correlation. Good luck with all that.:lol

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ok...draw those conclusions based on correlation. Good luck with all that.:lol

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What I meant was, would it even be possible to show causation? "Look, we gave 100 atheists brain damage, and 70 of those atheists then starting believing in a monotheistic God!" :lol