What if we flooded Death Valley?
Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?
Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?
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What if we flooded Death Valley?
Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?
Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?
Yes, we know your mind is blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Go shoot some Mexicans.
Then send them to a black doctor after.
Why shoot Mexicans, and why a black doctor? Are you a racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
They'd need a surgeon.
Stop derailing this thread with your personal hatred of me.
Want to talk about me, start an appropriate thread.
This stupid thread is appropriate enough.
What if we nuked the sun?
What if we slowed down the rotation of the iron in the core of the planet to weaken the magnetic field? Then the solar wind could blow all the CO2 away.
Great idea. We should leave all the hoses running in Death Valley until it floods.
I feel dumber for having read this thread.
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
:lol
Any intelligent thoughts?
It don't think so, it looks like everyone is taking a cue from the op.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
OK, explain then why the thought is unintelligent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drachen
Wouldn't that turn it into the River Valley?
What if we set off a bunch of H-bombs to try to knock earth into a father orbit?
I don't know. Any idea how many square miles are below sea level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Does it matter?
:lmao why does it matter how much of it is below sea level? Its not near an ocean, its in the middle of the fucking Mojave desert.
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
LOL x 09483048304809483Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Is this what the new DLC for Fallout New Vegas is going to be?
Derailing a thread implies there was at some point a train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You merely threw an inoperable steam engine on blocks out on the track and asked everyone to look at it.
Man, WC is on one hell of a bender.
Yeah, right! There's lots of excess water in the Colorado River, wastefully being dumped into the Pacific. :) The Rocky Mountain snow fall is more abundant than ever!!
What if we asked the farmers to pay the same price for Colorado river water as San Diego pays? Some of these decades-old water agreements, like the ones for TX rice farmers using river water, need to be renegotiatiated. Really, does water-intensive rice farming in semi-desertic, drought-stricken TX make any sense now that we now water TX water is a diminishing resource?
We know from the loss of ice cap in the Arctic that ice reflects energy back into space, while exposed water retains it. I suppose the white, light colored DV desert reflects solar energy also, so flooding it would probably capture more of it.
Yes, flooding it would capture slightly more heat than than sand does. Sand is already a pretty absorptive material though of solar heat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
You see, I think a large inland lake or sea would capture this solar energy and create more precipitation in the surrounding region, reverting much of the desert to usable land. Possible fix some water shortage issues with more rainfall.
Wow. What a bunch of immature dickheads you guys are. As if there aren't a miriad of geoenineering proposals out there aimed at halting so-called "climate change".
3:00 into this one
Discovery Channel had a short-lived series on this same issue
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/project-...ighlights.html
OMHO, these geoengineering projects, however well intended, have too many unknown consequences.
And they may only be as effective at stopping climate change as these people are effective at saving whales.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Death+...453979&t=p&z=8
DV is not very big compared to the surrounding desert wasteland. I don't think evaporation from Lake Wild Cobra would be enough difference. Moot because there's not enough water to do it.
I saw a program on DV. It get rain every 40 or 50 years. But when there is rain, always a little, the desert plants, flowers, grasses, explode for a day or two. Their seeds are very hardy and last decades without water. Sorta like bermuda grass. :)
How many are there to flood a desert basin? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Most of those proposals are pretty stupid too, in any event. Just not as stupid as trying to flood a dry desert basin.
That river doesn't even reach the Pacific anymore. Hoover, Glen Canyon, and all the other damns on that river in the US have made sure of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Completely agree about water prices though. Pheonix and Las Vegas are fucking horrible examples of how our society wastes shit so badly. Those two cities have no business being where they are.
Evaporation would certainly be a huge issue. The evaporation off Lake Mead is already at huge numbers. The evaporation off of Lake Wild Cobra would be even worse so then you'd need a source of water equivilant of the Colorado River to replenish it on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
LOL Darrin calling us immature over this. LOL
lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by wild cobra
LOL WC saying he understands climate sciences. I guess there are no Lake Wild Cobra (lol boutons - genius naming) blog graphics for him to copy and post here.
Las Vegas red-state NV exists because of the government's overreaching socialistic stimulus of Hoover dam.
How about if every American scraped out their freezer and we dumped it all to create the Death Valley Glacier?
With what water?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Enough to change a 150 inch/year evaporation rate?Quote:
Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?
Doubtful.
Manny thinks the idea sucks.Quote:
Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?
What a retarded idea. Did you not see The Core?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Damn. That would take more water than the Superdome...
Really, what do you think used to be in Death Valley in the past?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nly_system.png
Somebody can shop "Wild Cobra" over the word "Manly" in the picture.
On the other hand, the fact that it dried up is proof that climate change occurred in the past so that if its happening today it can't be because of CO2.
Nah, I'll leave that for people like WC who love science fiction but not science nonfiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by redzero
Evaporation is what I'm counting on to reform the desert region climate. Create precipitation in the area. It would be a massive project, probably require tunnels and channels from the Pacific Ocean.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That's probably the entire purpose of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
:lmao
I think I successfully pulled this off on SimCity2000. Definitely doable.
Ask Manny what a virga is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You would have thought all the swimming pools in Vegas and Phoenix could have turned the areas around them into rain forests by now according to WC logic.
The amount of water we're talking about here wouldn't even fuel virga. WC understands the sciences but for some odd reason doesn't understand the amount of water it takes for rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I know you aren't that ignorant. What can't you guys be serious for once.
:lmao
WC you are the best troll in the history of ST. I want to know who made you. I really do.
What I'm missing is I don't know how many square miles the new salt lake(s) would be. I haven't found how much area us below sea level yet. It would have to be a real large area to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
What if we flooded Glen Canyon?
How do you know they aren't rainforest? When was the last time you were in Las Vegas or Phoenix? Spare me the lies the liberal media has been feeding you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
This ought to be good...Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Who's my maker?
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I find it ironic that you'd ask such a question after starting a thread such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I would be off base here if the water created would have little surface area. Do you know about how many square miles would be flooded? If not, your criticism is premature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
Well, can't you get a surface contour map at zero elevation? I'm sure you could piece one together just from zooming around Google Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Even better, USGS topo maps:Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
http://www.topoquest.com/
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Originally Posted by Agloco
go to google maps link I gave above. Go to street view on the road that runs along the eastern edge.
You see that DV floor is very flat so it would be much wider than deep, about 6 miles at max width, but open at both ends, needing two dams.
Many $10Bs. "We're broke!"
And the evaporation would be horrendous, maybe loss of a foot per week. Swimming pools in SA can lose 1"/week on hottest, driest days. And who knows where it would come down again. With that desert air being so dry, it would suck it up and probably never have enough vapor density reach precipitation.
Figure how many foot-acres steady inflow to keep it topped up.
Anyway, there ain't no water available anyway. It's all (over-)spoken for, and becoming more unreliable as the snow pack becomes more unreliable.
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
You see WC? You've got multiple people helping out in this asinine endeavour now. I think Mannys right. You're master troll. :LOL
Oh come on, give me a break. Have you tried to use those maps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
OK, I found a source that lists Death Valley as having 550 square miles below sea level. Not really close to enough to do as I was hoping.
Thank you all for the help... NOT!
Dude, I gave you a map of the lake that used to be there. Can't you figure this shit out?
Always the Chumpmonkey...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Are all lakes below sea level? If I remember correctly, very, very few are. I see you are ignorant as to why I ignored your comment.
Yeah, they're the top of the line when it comes to elevation profiles in the US. The contour interval is only 40 feet for the vast majority of their 7.5" quads. On occasion a quad with a really prominent peak (such the Grand Teton quad or the Mount McKinley one) might need to use 80' intervals. What more could you possibly want though? 1' intervals? A continuous function?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Then why would you give such an urgent fuck about how much of Death Valley is below sea level?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You could flood all of Death Valley and it would not have the effect you wanted. Do you know how big some of the largest reservoirs in the world are? You're just a moron.
LOL Lake Mead turned Vegas into a rain forest!!!!
You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I see you don't understand why I call you an idiot.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nly_system.png
Tell me, WC: Where do you think the lowest points on this map would be?
Serious question.
Let's see......Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You have an old map from Chump.
You have detailed topographical data courtesy of Bumster.
You have a medium within which to do a comparative analysis courtesy of many.
You also have a reasonable supposition as to what your null hypothesis should be courtesy of Manny.
You're akin to a lazy graduate student. You got all of the tools, but you still want someone to build the thesis for you.
I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.
Pray tell, where else would you implement such an idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Northern Central Siberia? :lol
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
My God. Are you really that dense? Take to long with those small area screens to figure out where seal level is, and the total area.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Stop being so lame.
I already explained the purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by CuckingFunt
No shit Sherlock...Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
See post #67.
See post #67.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
Why the stupid question? Are you purposely ignoring my intent of the OP? It doesn't matter that the lakes are probably the lowest points. That doesn't tell me with any accuracy the total area below sea level. They can be above or below sea level. in such a situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Lake Mead (250 sq. mi.) didn't do dick to change the climate in NV/AZ. The idea sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I'll leave this thread for you ankle biters. The idea is a bust.
Then get a fucking shovel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
tbqh just look at the veritable oasis wonderland that the Salton Sea has created in the Colorado Desert.
What was your source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
It's quite a serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
No, idiot. I was telling you where Lake Wild Cobra would be. Your stupid ass couldn't figure any of it out or use any of the clues I gave you to actually, you know, look up things like Lake Manly which would help you flesh out your idiotic theory.Quote:
Are you purposely ignoring my intent of the OP?
Why not? That's exactly where Lake Wild Cobra would be. You pump the water in, that's where it's going to go. It's the entire point of your stupid thread.Quote:
It doesn't matter that the lakes are probably the lowest points.
Why would they need to be above or below sea level? What the holy hell are you talking about?Quote:
That doesn't tell me with any accuracy the total area below sea level. They can be above or below sea level. in such a situation.
Explain your hare-brained scheme for once so we can properly mock it.
Thanks in advance.
Fair enough. I suspect that a lot of geoengineering ideas are bad ones. My personal favorite is wrapping Greenland in a giant Snuggie.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
and LMAO!Quote:
Originally Posted by scott
"Lake Mead (250 sq. mi.) didn't do dick to change the climate in NV/AZ."
excellent reference.
Its amazing that most of Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific. I mean all that determines a climate is how close it is to water, right?
"Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific"
yes, it is amazing, but not unique.
another one: the Namibian desert in s/w Africa, desert sand right to the water line.
There's a well understood reason for why these deserts occur and it happens at a scale much larger than a freaking man made reservoir will be able to solve. The only reason the SE US (and SE Asia - same principle - different body of water but also VERY large) isn't a desert is due to the Gulf of Mexico. So if you can make a reservoir of that size you might actually get somewhere with this idea.
When the air at the equator is heated up it rises in the atmosphere and then moves poleward. It cools as it does this and then sinks. Sinking air heats up and dries out immensely which is why you have such large swaths of low latitude deserts all over the world. Ever heard of a tiny sandy place on Earth called the Sahara?
Tell me again, WC, how well you understand the sciences around these situations better than anyone here. Please?
If I'm not mistaken both of those deserts are located on the leeward side of cold ocean currents that have less evaporative potential than what a warmer current would produce (deductively obvious).Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Not that I condone the OP's geoengineering proposal (kind of left-field)... just figured I would point that out...
The water just gets colder as you move up into the Northern Pacific but there is plenty of precipitation through the coastal regions of that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Obviously there are more factors involved...Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
My point was more along the lines of suggesting that if the currents along North America's western coast were warmer that the areas not currently seeing much rainfall would probably see some....
By proxy those in the Pacific Northwest you pointed out would likely see much more...
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/circ.htm
Hadley cell - Low latitude air movement toward the equator that with heating, rises vertically, with poleward movement in the upper atmosphere. This forms a convection cell that dominates tropical and sub-tropical climates.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/climate.htm
B - Dry Climates
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/images/b.jpgThe most obvious climatic feature of this climate is that potential evaporation and transpiration exceed precipitation. These climates extend from 20°-35° North and South of the equator and in large continental regions of the mid-latitudes often surrounded by mountains.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/gl...limate_max.htm
There are belts of deserts across the world at these latitudes because of this.
More on the Hadley Cell:
Having lost most of its water vapor to condensation and rain in the upward branch of the circulation, the descending air is dry. Low relative humidities are produced as the air is adiabatically warmed due to compression as it descends into a region of higher pressure. The subtropics are relatively free of the convection, or thunderstorms, that are common in the equatorial belt of rising motion. Many of the world's deserts are located in these subtropical latitudes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_Cell