Ignorance

Its probably impossible to go very far without meeting someone who knows that we have just had a crisis over the debt ceiling and that S&P has just downgraded the US credit rating but I think its safe to say that you could definitely go a long way and not meet someone who can actually explain to you what actually happened and why it mattered.

I don't see how the situation gets any better when the people in charge of selecting our leaders have no clue what is actually happening and instead have their hearts set on making decisions based on bad soundbites from cable news or internet chain letters.

Of course this isn't new. The amount of people who actually can tell you what happened in 2008 are few and far between. There are definitely several books out there that go into great detail how the financial sector flat out screwed the United States (LOL buying CDS on the MBS you just sold me - thanks Goldman!) and the rest of the world yet I have no faith in the average Joe Chalupa on the street being able to explain that to you. Hell, I have no faith in the average registered voter being able to explain that to you.

And how do you remove ignorance on such important events when its so widespread? I think its fairly impossible when the only means of doing so is mass media and mass media is rather complicit in spreading the lies. I flipped onto CNN for 2 minutes this weekend as I was channel surfing and what do I see? Bullshit hype about this new era of the US being downgraded by S&P and no mention of how S&P is full of it. What I would like to see is a clip of testimony from the ratings agencies in front of congress when they said that no one should use their guidelines for any type of investing purposes.

People are too damn clueless here for anything to change. If 2008 didn't change that, this sure as hell isn't going to.

"when the people in charge of selecting our leaders have no clue what is actually happening"

America has the lowest voter participation rate of any of the industrial democracies.

Even if there were higher voting rates and "intelligent, adult, informed" voters, Human-Americans have been and will indefinitely be disenfranchised by Corporate-Americans and the wealthy whose votes with $$$ carrry much more weight than H-A votes.

You don't worry about what you can't control. You don't outrun the bear, you outrun everyone else. In a country of 300 million it's not hard to grab a chair before the music ends. Natural order still exists in this world, hard work gets you to the top. Anyone who disagrees hasn't learned that fact of life that you are supposed to get knocked to the ground and bloody multiple times; that's what makes you strong.

Politics is a joke. It's fun to keep up with it, but it's almost pointless. You or anyone else is not going to change the masses. Not everyone is supposed to be at the top. It's never been like that in human history, it will never be like that. Accept it.

Yeah, America is ignorant, and the average American is borderline retarded


You're just now figuring this out?

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Originally Posted by DoK

Yeah, America is ignorant, and the average American is borderline retarded


You're just now figuring this out?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Of course this isn't new.

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Good thread for smart ass fail, tbh.

Sorry senor but I wasn't gonna read the whole thing. I agree with it, just don't see the point in making a thread about it :lol

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

You don't worry about what you can't control. You don't outrun the bear, you outrun everyone else. In a country of 300 million it's not hard to grab a chair before the music ends. Natural order still exists in this world, hard work gets you to the top. Anyone who disagrees hasn't learned that fact of life that you are supposed to get knocked to the ground and bloody multiple times; that's what makes you strong.

Politics is a joke. It's fun to keep up with it, but it's almost pointless. You or anyone else is not going to change the masses. Not everyone is supposed to be at the top. It's never been like that in human history, it will never be like that. Accept it.

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Basically, spot on. Get busy attaining your piece of the pie at the expense of everyone around you or wax poetic about the way it should be to your own detriment.

The system isnt going anywhere. There are only two barriers for entry. Work ethic and the importance of ethics.

If you have the former and completely lack the latter, youre going to succeed.

It's not ignorance, it's laziness. Why waste time actually informing yourself when you can just pick red team or blue team and let them do your thinking for you? All the average American needs to know is that their team is always right and responsible for everything that is good, and that the other team is always wrong and anything bad that happens is their fault.

Staying informed is hard work. It's so much easier to just wave your pom-poms and cheer your team on to sucking less than the other team.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

It's not ignorance, it's laziness. Why waste time actually informing yourself when you can just pick red team or blue team and let them do your thinking for you? All the average American needs to know is that their team is always right and responsible for everything that is good, and that the other team is always wrong and anything bad that happens is their fault.

Staying informed is hard work. It's so much easier to just wave your pom-poms and cheer your team on to sucking less than the other team.

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I believe people are getting more informed because of the last 2-3 years. Everyone saw what happened last November. Huge swing and more to come. With that said I wish they would ban all parties.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

It's not ignorance, it's laziness. Why waste time actually informing yourself when you can just pick red team or blue team and let them do your thinking for you? All the average American needs to know is that their team is always right and responsible for everything that is good, and that the other team is always wrong and anything bad that happens is their fault.

Staying informed is hard work. It's so much easier to just wave your pom-poms and cheer your team on to sucking less than the other team.

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Agree 100%. Looking at the general landscape, you would think critical thinking gives you headaches.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

People are too damn clueless here for anything to change.

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So on the D-Day anniversary 2 young employees (in their 20's) asked my wife what D-Day was. After she explained one of them asked her "So who won WWII?".

That's a true story. The problem is even worse than you think it is.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

It's not ignorance, it's laziness. Why waste time actually informing yourself when you can just pick red team or blue team and let them do your thinking for you? All the average American needs to know is that their team is always right and responsible for everything that is good, and that the other team is always wrong and anything bad that happens is their fault.

Staying informed is hard work. It's so much easier to just wave your pom-poms and cheer your team on to sucking less than the other team.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I believe people are getting more informed because of the last 2-3 years. Everyone saw what happened last November. Huge swing and more to come. With that said I wish they would ban all parties.

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Couldn't disagree more Jack. The part that I have bolded is what has increased in the last 2-3 years. Not actual research and thought as you suggest.

I would include the OP and a lot of the posters that posted in this thread.

Sure SNP has a record where it should be questioned. But to go on here an charade as a Populist demagogue claiming you know what's best for the people and this evil ratings agency is insolent, is quite entertaining when you're just being a shill for the Whitehouse.

Did SNP just decide to set these parameters by which the US should abide by in order to keep it's ratings arbitrarily, or is it maybe, just maybe, the largest purchaser of our debt (China) has been telling us for a good while that we should address our debt.

But what was important 5 years ago, what Manny and his ilk claimed was one of GW's errors was fiscal irresponsibility.

It wasn't long ago that the Democrats on having a historical midterm rise in 06 were elected because the Republicans were wrecking the economy and jacking up deficits. The Democrats promised to be fiscaly responsible, Barack Obama then later said that even rasing the issue of the debt ceiling needing to be raised was a sign of mismanagement.

That was your very own Barrack Hussein Obama.

Listen to these clowns every one of you and wake up.

1. They love to shit on Trickle Down economics ( wealth will trickle down to the poor, if we let the rich keep more of their money), yet at the same time believe that bailouts to the rich helped the poor! Try not to laugh..

2. They maintain the position that we should raise spending during a recession.... what's their position on spending during good times? Don't expect anything different.

3. They, the white house and the progressives are so busy using ad hominem attacks against people that question their spending habits for example ( Republicans, Libertarians, Constitutionalist, Buisiness men, tea party, SNP, Moody's, etc) because if they were to focus on spreading the message that we need to spend more to gain fiscal control it wouldn't fly with anyone who is not a political junkie, has a job, and manages their own finances.

4. Essentially, their plan is to use the federal reserve as an American Express card with no limit, crossing their fingers that the rest of the world won't find out what a huge scam our dollar is, and our economy has become.


There's your ignorance.

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

You or anyone else is not going to change the masses. Not everyone is supposed to be at the top. It's never been like that in human history, it will never be like that. Accept it.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Basically, spot on. Get busy attaining your piece of the pie at the expense of everyone around you or wax poetic about the way it should be to your own detriment.

The system isnt going anywhere. There are only two barriers for entry. Work ethic and the importance of ethics.

If you have the former and completely lack the latter, youre going to succeed.

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This.

Right or wrong, this.

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

I would include the OP and a lot of the posters that posted in this thread.

Sure SNP has a record where it should be questioned. But to go on here an charade as a Populist demagogue claiming you know what's best for the people and this evil ratings agency is insolent, is quite entertaining when you're just being a shill for the Whitehouse.

Did SNP just decide to set these parameters by which the US should abide by in order to keep it's ratings arbitrarily, or is it maybe, just maybe, the largest purchaser of our debt (China) has been telling us for a good while that we should address our debt.

But what was important 5 years ago, what Manny and his ilk claimed was one of GW's errors was fiscal irresponsibility.

It wasn't long ago that the Democrats on having a historical midterm rise in 06 were elected because the Republicans were wrecking the economy and jacking up deficits. The Democrats promised to be fiscaly responsible, Barack Obama then later said that even rasing the issue of the debt ceiling needing to be raised was a sign of mismanagement.

That was your very own Barrack Hussein Obama.

Listen to these clowns every one of you and wake up.

1. They love to shit on Trickle Down economics ( wealth will trickle down to the poor, if we let the rich keep more of their money), yet at the same time believe that bailouts to the rich helped the poor! Try not to laugh..

2. They maintain the position that we should raise spending during a recession.... what's their position on spending during good times? Don't expect anything different.

3. They, the white house and the progressives are so busy using ad hominem attacks against people that question their spending habits for example ( Republicans, Libertarians, Constitutionalist, Buisiness men, tea party, SNP, Moody's, etc) because if they were to focus on spreading the message that we need to spend more to gain fiscal control it wouldn't fly with anyone who is not a political junkie, has a job, and manages their own finances.

4. Essentially, their plan is to use the federal reserve as an American Express card with no limit, crossing their fingers that the rest of the world won't find out what a huge scam our dollar is, and our economy has become.


There's your ignorance.

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I'd agree with pretty much all of this except you imply Republicans are innocent on the matter (maybe that's not what you meant, but that's how I read it). From 2001-2008, Republicans were spending irresponsibly and stupidly just like the Democrats have been since 2009. The only way there'll ever be a real solution is if the 2 party system dies, which isn't happening anytime soon, but it's why I'm voting for a 3rd party candidate regardless of whether or not I agree with him.

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I'd agree with pretty much all of this except you imply Republicans are innocent on the matter (maybe that's not what you meant, but that's how I read it). From 2001-2008, Republicans were spending irresponsibly and stupidly just like the Democrats have been since 2009. The only way there'll ever be a real solution is if the 2 party system dies, which isn't happening anytime soon, but it's why I'm voting for a 3rd party candidate regardless of whether or not I agree with him.

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brah, I am no Wild Chodebrah. It's definately the republicans at fault too.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

Couldn't disagree more Jack. The part that I have bolded is what has increased in the last 2-3 years. Not actual research and thought as you suggest.

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The tea party movement suggest otherwise.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Get busy attaining your piece of the pie at the expense of everyone around you or wax poetic about the way it should be to your own detriment.

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I told my old man this one day - when the shit goes down, we need to make sure we have as much money as the rich and as many guns as the poor. :lol

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

The tea party movement suggest otherwise.

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Maybe initially, and they definitely have an ideology, but it seems strange that they are willing to commit national suicide with the nation in order to get it done. This comes full circle back to the original point that people are so uneducated that they are willing to A) manufacture a crisis and B) be willing to use that crisis to the detriment of the nation (and their stated goals).

The tea party wants deficit reduction (I thought) and they turned down (twice) a $4T dollar plan to do just that. This "crisis" bared their collective asses and showed everyone that they are not about deficit reduction, they are about obstruction and ever lower taxes (even if it means that we will have to pay higher taxes later to get it). Basically the tea party is no different than what we have had over the last 40-50 years (outside of a brief moment from the mid to late 90's).

Tea Party = Democrat = Republican = I want what I want now and I don't give a fuck that my kids and grandkids are going to pay for it.

I am sorry if I jumped around a bit but this pisses me off. I have a kid (and another on the way). I am 31, so this is starting to be my fault too. How am I supposed to explain to them that I allowed this country to stick them with a bill because we were too set in our ways. The Dems and Repubs were finally doing something right (I don't care why, as long as the right thing was being done) and the Tea Party decided to cry in the corner and fuck it up.

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they turned down (twice) a $4T dollar plan to do just that.

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What plan was that?

It's good to know nothing bad happened after 2008.

Thanks Manny

Time to start buying guns...

It's good to know nothing bad happened before 2008.

Thanks Darrin.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

What plan was that?

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Grand Bargain is one, and if you don't believe either obama or boehner that they had something going then you can find a summary flyer for the second one here: Link

I am surprised that you haven't heard of either one of these. Not paying attention over the last several weeks, eh????

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It's good to know nothing bad happened before 2008.

Thanks Darrin.

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Wild spending went on. Then got accelerated under Obama.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Wild spending went on. Then got accelerated under Obama.

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I'll agree with Barry following Dubya's lead. Don't know about 'accelerated' though after you adjust for inflation.

BTW, not trying to defend Barry. He's been as bad as dubya at this point.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

Maybe initially, and they definitely have an ideology, but it seems strange that they are willing to commit national suicide with the nation in order to get it done. This comes full circle back to the original point that people are so uneducated that they are willing to A) manufacture a crisis and B) be willing to use that crisis to the detriment of the nation (and their stated goals).

The tea party wants deficit reduction (I thought) and they turned down (twice) a $4T dollar plan to do just that. This "crisis" bared their collective asses and showed everyone that they are not about deficit reduction, they are about obstruction and ever lower taxes (even ifmeans that we will have to pay higher taxes later to get it). Basically the te it a party is no different than what we have had over the last 40-50 years (outside of a brief moment from the mid to late 90's).

Tea Party = Democrat = Republican = I want what I want now and I don't give a fuck that my kids and grandkids are going to pay for it.

I am sorry if I jumped around a bit but this pisses me off. I have a kid (and another on the way). I am 31, so this is starting to be my fault too. How am I supposed to explain to them that I allowed this country to stick them with a bill because we were too set in our ways. The Dems and Repubs were finally doing something right(I don't care why, as long as the right thing was being done) and the Tea Party decided to cry in the corner and fuck it up.

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That bolded part made me spit up my coca cola. The tea party did nothing to fuck up the debt ceiling or anything for that mater. They brought attention to, to help inform people what exactly it is. Barrys solution was voted down 97-0. The dem side didn't put anything up. The house passed their plan but Reid, the senate leader, a dem wouldn't allow a vote on it and barry said he would veto it as well. Dude, we're broke and adding more fake money to our debt caused the down grade. It's embarassing. Obamacare will bankrupt us. We're now a double a not triple a and if anyone is honest here, they would say we deserve it.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

The tea party did nothing to fuck up the debt ceiling or anything for that mater. They brought attention to, to help inform people what exactly it is.

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What's there to inform when the debt numbers are not necessarily a secret?
They ended up signing this thing that passed which still gives the WH what they want. In the process they've shown they're willing to destroy the country's credibility over their petty demands.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

That bolded part made me spit up my coca cola. The tea party did nothing to fuck up the debt ceiling or anything for that mater. They brought attention to, to help inform people what exactly it is. Barrys solution was voted down 97-0. The dem side didn't put anything up. The house passed their plan but Reid, the senate leader, a dem wouldn't allow a vote on it and barry said he would veto it as well. Dude, we're broke and adding more fake money to our debt caused the down grade. It's embarassing. Obamacare will bankrupt us. We're now a double a not triple a and if anyone is honest here, they would say we deserve it.

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Barry's solution? Which one was that? Grand Bargain wasn't voted on because the tea party decided that working with the other side to the benefit of everyone in the country wouldn't benefit their side enough. Gang of Six started with an immediate swell of support ("went from gang of six to mob of 50"), Tea Party stopped that too (admittedly with help from Harry Reid). 4T dollars, twice!!! You want deficit reduction then start acting like it. Two plans, 4 T DOLLARS and their only problems were that there were some people with D's next to their names who helped create them. Cut, Cap, and Balance didn't go as far. It did not give 4T.

Then again, I am arguing with a troll (which should show everyone how much this pisses me off) so I know I am not going to get anywhere.

I should just admit that the math is 2T from R is > 4T from RD

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

I would include the OP and a lot of the posters that posted in this thread.

Sure SNP has a record where it should be questioned. But to go on here an charade as a Populist demagogue claiming you know what's best for the people and this evil ratings agency is insolent, is quite entertaining when you're just being a shill for the Whitehouse.

Did SNP just decide to set these parameters by which the US should abide by in order to keep it's ratings arbitrarily, or is it maybe, just maybe, the largest purchaser of our debt (China) has been telling us for a good while that we should address our debt.

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I make no claim about whats best for the nation outside of ignorance not being it. No, the nation as it is is not capable of making great decisions and the track record completely supports this.

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But what was important 5 years ago, what Manny and his ilk claimed was one of GW's errors was fiscal irresponsibility.

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Thats pretty broad - link to what I was talking about and context?

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It wasn't long ago that the Democrats on having a historical midterm rise in 06 were elected because the Republicans were wrecking the economy and jacking up deficits. The Democrats promised to be fiscaly responsible, Barack Obama then later said that even rasing the issue of the debt ceiling needing to be raised was a sign of mismanagement.

That was your very own Barrack Hussein Obama.

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That was political posturing. In any event, you act as if I'm a fan of what BO has done. I'm not.

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Listen to these clowns every one of you and wake up.

1. They love to shit on Trickle Down economics ( wealth will trickle down to the poor, if we let the rich keep more of their money), yet at the same time believe that bailouts to the rich helped the poor! Try not to laugh..

2. They maintain the position that we should raise spending during a recession.... what's their position on spending during good times? Don't expect anything different.

3. They, the white house and the progressives are so busy using ad hominem attacks against people that question their spending habits for example ( Republicans, Libertarians, Constitutionalist, Buisiness men, tea party, SNP, Moody's, etc) because if they were to focus on spreading the message that we need to spend more to gain fiscal control it wouldn't fly with anyone who is not a political junkie, has a job, and manages their own finances.

4. Essentially, their plan is to use the federal reserve as an American Express card with no limit, crossing their fingers that the rest of the world won't find out what a huge scam our dollar is, and our economy has become.


There's your ignorance.

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I'm not equating people not coming to my beliefs as their final conclusion as ignorance as you are. I'm saying that the general American public lacks any real critical thinking ability at the moment and merely goes off bullshit and incorrect soundbites.

You on the other hand, are basically saying if you don't think that free market economics is the end all be all then you're obviously ignorant.

Why does anyone bring up wild spending at all in this debate? Do you realize that had they raised the debt ceiling months ago there is no downgrade from S&P? How on earth does that lead you to the conclusion this is about wild spending? Not to mention that its only ONE ratings agency. ONE.

Hey, Manny, calling it a crisis over the "Debt Ceiling" is your first mistake. It's a crisis over debt. Period.

The term "Debt Ceiling" has absolutely no meaning if a body can just vote an increase and *poof* you have more room to borrow.

I agree, there is a tremendous amount of ignorance over what is the real crisis.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Why does anyone bring up wild spending at all in this debate? Do you realize that had they raised the debt ceiling months ago there is no downgrade from S&P? How on earth does that lead you to the conclusion this is about wild spending? Not to mention that its only ONE ratings agency. ONE.

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Hey, Kool aid!!!

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Originally Posted by Drachen

Barry's solution? Which one was that? Grand Bargain wasn't voted on because the tea party decided that working with the other side to the benefit of everyone in the country wouldn't benefit their side enough. Gang of Six started with an immediate swell of support ("went from gang of six to mob of 50"), Tea Party stopped that too (admittedly with help from Harry Reid). 4T dollars, twice!!! You want deficit reduction then start acting like it. Two plans, 4 T DOLLARS and their only problems were that there were some people with D's next to their names who helped create them. Cut, Cap, and Balance didn't go as far. It did not give 4T.

Then again, I am arguing with a troll (which should show everyone how much this pisses me off) so I know I am not going to get anywhere.

I should just admit that the math is 2T from R is > 4T from RD

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Son, you're obviously pissed off and it's messing your head up. I'll forgive you for the troll comment. The tea party, whether you want to admit it or not has helped bring more information to american households that generally would not be interested in politics. More people know what the debt ceiling is and I don't care how angry your little self gets, the tea party is not responsible for the US downgrade. That is ignorant to think. For you to think tea party was the reason a decision was not made faster is stupid as well.

http://cdn.thefrisky.com/images/uplo...sweek-main.jpg

I am...the Tea Party!!!

:lmao

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I am...the Tea Party!!!

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Son, you're obviously pissed off and it's messing your head up. I'll forgive you for the troll comment. The tea party, whether you want to admit it or not has helped bring more information to american households that generally would not be interested in politics. More people know what the debt ceiling is

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Absolutely Agree, the made up a crisis out of thin air and it drew attention.

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and I don't care how angry your little self gets, the tea party is not responsible for the US downgrade. That is ignorant to think. For you to think tea party was the reason a decision was not made faster is stupid as well.

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Disagree.

http://cdn.thefrisky.com/images/uplo...sweek-main.jpg

newsweek woulda never done anybody else that way. I don't like Bachmann and will never vote for her, but couldn't they have come up with a better photo?

the old "Dem spending lie".

What have the Dems been spending since 2009? what programs and what numbers?

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http://cdn.thefrisky.com/images/uplo...sweek-main.jpg

newsweek woulda never done anybody else that way. I don't like Bachmann and will never vote for her, but couldn't they have come up with a better photo?

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Headline should read "We at Newsweak Can't Stand this Bitch."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/08/th...inst-newsweek/

Was that photoshoped? I can't stop :lol looking at that picture :lmao

Not a good choice of picture. Still, read any quote of hers from that article and I'm guessing you can picture her making that exact face while saying it.

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Not a good choice of picture. Still, read any quote of hers from that article and I'm guessing you can picture her making that exact face while saying it.

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It's the perfect choice of photo and headline if you have their agenda.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

It's the perfect choice of photo and headline if you have their agenda.

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You mean she's not constantly angry?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You mean she's not constantly angry?

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She's the queen of rage. It's right there on the cover of Newsweak.

She probably shouldn't smile like that.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

Grand Bargain is one, and if you don't believe either obama or boehner that they had something going then you can find a summary flyer for the second one here: Link

I am surprised that you haven't heard of either one of these. Not paying attention over the last several weeks, eh????

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LOL...

$3.7T off the CBO baseline projections... That's meaning especially since it's just a number they throw out without specifics.

LOL... Using unspecific baseline projection numbers...

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Was that photoshoped? I can't stop :lol looking at that picture :lmao

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Maybe they added wrinkles?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Maybe they added wrinkles?

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Maybe she's in her mid fifties.

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LOL...

$3.7T off the CBO baseline projections... That's meaning especially since it's just a number they throw out without specifics.

LOL... Using unspecific baseline projection numbers...

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OK, i'll bite. What secret numbers are you using?

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OK, i'll bite. What secret numbers are you using?

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My point is that taking cuts off of baseline budgeting is a total fucking joke.

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My point is that taking cuts off of baseline budgeting is a total fucking joke.

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don't all of the numbers from the various plans that have been discussed over the past few weeks also have this characteristic?

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She's the queen of rage. It's right there on the cover of Newsweak.

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So you don't think she's angry at all... okay.

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So you don't think she's angry at all... okay.

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I believe the word NewsWeek use was "rage." And, no, I don't think she's in a rage, fomenting rage, or even casually acquainted with rage.

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I believe the word NewsWeek use was "rage." And, no, I don't think she's in a rage, fomenting rage, or even casually acquainted with rage.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rage

rage (rj)
n.
1.
a. Violent, explosive anger. See Synonyms at anger.
b. A fit of anger.

Last time I saw her she was foaming at the mouth about Barry having no plan to 'bring us back to AAA rating'.

Why is she so mad, Yoni?

:lol angry bible thumper

If anybody ever listened to bitch spew her crap and slime, anger and rage describe her accurately.

Yoni loved pitbull bitch. He has great record of choosing winning Repug candidates. :)

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It's the perfect choice of photo and headline if you have their agenda.

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Arguably, the perfect choice of photo for her agenda as well.

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If anybody ever listened to bitch spew her crap and slime, anger and rage describe her accurately.

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So basically, she's you.

Manny do you think the type of people you detest the most in your OP do or don't watch Jersey Shore?

That's why I don't support crap like that and neither should you :nope

"when the people in charge of selecting our leaders have no clue what is actually happening"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

Typical Repug, and hyper-typical of tea bagging, bar-setting so low so their ignorant, non-thinking, vote-my-emotions, "Chistian" sheeple, bubbas, hyper-patriots get suckered:

First They Came for the Lightbulbs...

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"I think Thomas Edison did a pretty patriotic thing for this country by inventing the lightbulb," she told a New Hampshire audience in March. "And I think darn well, you New Hampshirites, if you want to buy Thomas Edison's wonderful invention, you should be able to!"

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...ulbs-agenda-21

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Bachmann's radical right-wing influences, which include the most extremist figures in the history of the religious right movement.

Reconstructionists want to replace the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights with their interpretation of the Bible.

The Reconstructionist worldview is ultra-Calvinist but, like all Calvinism has its origins in ancient Israel/Palestine, when vengeful and ignorant tribal lore was written down by frightened men (the nastier authors of the Bible) trying to defend their prerogatives to bully women, murder rival tribes, and steal land. (These justifications may have reflected later thinking: origin myths used as propaganda to justify political and military actions after the fact, such as the brutality the Hebrews said God made them inflict on others and/or their position as the Chosen People.)

I, too, was both a Jesus Victim and a Jesus Predator claiming God’s special favor.

these folks just held America hostage in the debt crisis, an attempt to – literally – destroy the government’s ability to function at all a manufactured “crisis” in which Bachmann was a leading proponent of scorched-earth, destroy the system “politics.”

Rushdoony talked about “secular America” as if it were an enemy state, not our country. He talked about how “we” should all use cash, never credit cards, since cards would make it “easy for the government to track us.” Rushdoony spoke passionately about the virtues of gold, how very soon the conflict between the Soviet Union and America would lead to war. Rushdoony also noted that Vallecito was “well located to survive the next war” given “the prevailing wind directions” and its water supply.

The message of Rushdoony’s work is best summed up in one of his innumerable Chalcedon Foundation position papers, “The Increase of His Government and Peace.” He writes, “The ultimate and absolute government of all things shall belong to Christ.” In his book Thy Kingdom Come—using words that are similar to those the leaders of al Qaida would use decades later in reference to “true Islam”—Rushdoony argues that democracy and Christianity are incompatible: “Democracy is the great love of the failures and cowards of life,” he writes. “One [biblical] faith, one law and one standard of justice did not mean democracy. The heresy of democracy has since then worked havoc in church and state.Christianity and democracy are inevitably enemies.”

Michele Bachmann Was Inspired By My Dad and His Christian Reconstructionist Friends -- Here's Why That's Terrifying

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It's wonderful how the super-wealthy and UCA spend their money to destroy govt and finance freaks likes Reconstructionists who also want to destroy democracy.

But they have different reasons: the top 1% want to pay NO TAXES and be free from all govt regulations to profit from making shitty toxic, pathogenic food-like substances, and to profit from destroying/controlling air and water and land.

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I think Thomas Edison did a pretty patriotic thing for this country by inventing the lightbulb," she told a New Hampshire audience in March. "And I think darn well, you New Hampshirites, if you want to buy Thomas Edison's wonderful invention, you should be able to!

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What. The. Fuck.

Cable news has literally brainwashed Americans into thinking something said like that is an actual political position.

Bachmann conscripting famous all-american-hero Edison to her team, implying that Bachmann is an all-american-hero, when in fact she and other "Christian" supremacists are profoundly anti-American and anti-Constitutional.

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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded

Manny do you think the type of people you detest the most in your OP do or don't watch Jersey Shore?

That's why I don't support crap like that and neither should you :nope

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I'm more worried about the news. Lupe said it best:

If you turn on TV all you see’s a bunch of “what the fucks”
Dude is dating so and so blabbering bout such and such
And that ain't Jersey Shore, homie that's the news
And these the same people that supposed to be telling us the truth



Do I think Jersey Shore is causing us to be dumber? No. I think its a symptom.

What gets on TV is what the TV corporate ad sales staff can sell ads for to corporations.

What pathogenic, dead, food-like substances are allowed to occupy hyper-competitive supermarket shelves is what the sheeple buy.

Corporations dictate, for profit, what people eat, what they do, what they worry about, what they don't want them to know (corporate crimes), and above all what they think.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Cable news has literally brainwashed Americans into thinking something said like that is an actual political position.

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The internet plays a role, too.

I'll say this about Bachman, she's way smarter than Palin. She's also - in my opinion - batshit crazy - but if Palin had the same campaign savy (or at least if her staff did) - she'd be the front runner for the nomination by a wide margin.

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Bachmann asked for stimulus money days after calling it an ‘orgy of spending’

Though Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has repeatedly trashed the Environmental Protection Agency and vowed to have "its door locked and its lights turned off" if she gets to the White House, new information obtained via the Freedom of Information Act shows that she petitioned the EPA for help and grant support at least twice, among at least 16 requests for federal funds and help.

Many of those funding requests would require dipping into stimulus funds, the Huffington Posts's investigation showed. Bachmann has in the past dismissed President Barack Obama's massive stimulus plan as "fantasy economics" and advocates for limited government and fiscal conservatism.

“During the last 100 days we have seen an orgy [of spending]," she said of the stimulus and auto industry bailout May 4, 2009. "It would make any local smorgasbord embarrassed."

According to the obtained records, just three weeks later, on May 20, Bachmann wrote to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack and asked for funding for a rail park in Minnesota "which will enhance economic development and job opportunities in this rural Minnesota community."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/1...e+Raw+Story%29

hypocritical bitch

Bachman please win the nomination. I am dead serious. :D