U.S. Republicans name anti-taxers to debt panel

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Poll: Majority wants super committee to tax the rich

Republicans appointed to a congressional deficit panel will have to buck public opinion if they intend to block tax hikes on the rich.

A CNN poll (PDF) released Wednesday found that a majority of Americans want Congress to compromise by raising taxes on the rich and cutting government spending.

In all, 62 percent believed that "[t]axes on wealthy people should be kept high so the government can use their money for programs to help lower-income people." Only 34 percent believed that taxes on the rich should be "kept low because they invest their money in the private sector and that helps the economy and creates jobs."

Sixty-three percent said they would like to see higher taxes on businesses and higher-income Americans, while 36 percent disagreed. Major cuts in spending and domestic programs should also be part of a compromise, according to 57 percent of those polled.

Only 47 percent wanted major cuts in military spending. At 35 percent, major changes to Medicare and Social Security were even less popular.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said Monday that he favored cuts to popular safety net programs but opposed tax hikes on the rich as part of a plan to rein in galloping U.S. debt.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/1...e+Raw+Story%29

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So, when you take out the 48% of people that pay NO taxes that means that 14% of the population that pays taxes agrees.

It's well established that the majority of Americans are comfortable with someone besides themselves having to pay more taxes.

boutons, I'm especially supportive of you having to pay more taxes.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

So, when you take out the 48% of people that pay NO taxes

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Who are these people? No sales tax, gas tax?

Or you mean only federal income taxes?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

We are screws until we put people back to work.

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Do you think that small business owners will open up their pockets in this economic climate even with a hefty tax cut?

"So, when you take out the 48% of people that pay NO taxes"

CC spews the richie's LIE: these "no tax" people pay the extremely regressive FICA, property tax, gasoline tax, sales tax, vehicle tax, etc, etc. So GFY and your richie LIES.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Who are these people? No sales tax, gas tax?

Or you mean only federal income taxes?

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He is correct when we talk about federal income taxes. The number used to be 47%, but has creeped up to 48% of federal income tax filers who owe no net federal taxes, or get money like Earned income Credits.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

Do you think that small business owners will open up their pockets in this economic climate even with a hefty tax cut?

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Small business owners will employ people as demand arises. It's the larger blue collar manufacturing jobs I'm talking about. They keep getting outsourced.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"So, when you take out the 48% of people that pay NO taxes"

CC spews the richie's LIE: these "no tax" people pay the extremely regressive FICA, property tax, gasoline tax, sales tax, vehicle tax, etc, etc. So GFY and your richie LIES.

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Fucktard.

If you are too stupid to follow just because I didn't spell out "Federal Income Tax" when the conversation is about Federal income tax then you might want to just read and not post.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

If you are too stupid to follow just because I didn't spell out "Federal Income Tax" when the conversation is about Federal income tax then you might want to just read and not post.

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Fucktard, so 48% of people do pay taxes, just not federal income taxes.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

He is correct when we talk about federal income taxes.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Who are these people? No sales tax, gas tax?

Or you mean only federal income taxes?

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Fed income taxes. And, while wildly sensationalistic, there is a basic point here. When almost half of the tax base (I'll repeat Federal Income Tax base for boutons:lol) is either not paying taxes or actually netting a credit refund, then the problem is not entirely on undertaxing the top (pick a random number) percentage.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Fed income taxes. And, while wildly sensationalistic, there is a basic point here. When almost half of the tax base (I'll repeat Federal Income Tax base for boutons:lol) is either not paying taxes or actually netting a credit refund, then the problem is not entirely on undertaxing the top (pick a random number) percentage.

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Sure Teysha. And I don't think it's minor either.
However, when people throw around the 'pay no taxes' you get the impression that they actually pay zero taxes. That really isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sure Teysha. And I don't think it's minor either.
However, when people throw around the 'pay no taxes' you get the impression that they actually pay zero taxes. That really isn't the case.

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You know there is more than one tax. If uncertain, ask.

Can we just go ahead and acknowledge that everyone here recognizes that everyone pays sales and gas taxes, and that references to people not paying taxes refers to federal income taxes? If not forum wide, at least in a thread where the OP is about a group of politicians who don't want to raise federal income taxes?

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Can we just go ahead and acknowledge that everyone here recognizes that everyone pays sales and gas taxes, and that references to people not paying taxes refers to federal income taxes? If not forum wide, at least in a thread where the OP is about a group of politicians who don't want to raise federal income taxes?

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Ok, Ok... fucktard apologizes :lol

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

You know there is more than one tax. If uncertain, ask.

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You know, I specifically was adamant about it because of fucktards like you, who love to tell us how much people live off government returns like they don't pay any other taxes.

And it's a really stupid argument.

As long as everytime Heritage stink tank or WSJ or Fox or similar assholes here say not "47% pay no taxes" which is the say it to inflame the bubbas, but "47% pay no federal income taxes".

btw, the rural bubbas, red staters are getting screwed by Repug debt deal, the Repugs they voted for:

Debt Deal Leaves Americans Living in Rural Poverty Behind


http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...mmunities.html

Paul Ryan signaled his willingness to include revenue increases through tax code reform the other day on Fox News. Something along the lines of $1 revenue for every $3-4 in spending cuts. While he was not placed on the select committee, I'd expect that to be the template for compromise, particularly if the market continues to be this volatile.

So Ryan is saying he will violate the Grover Norquist pledge to NEVER raise taxes?

If Ryan was really serious, rather than lying, about the deficit, he'd support $1 increase revenue for $1 spending cuts.

$1 tax for $4 cuts means he's lying about the deficit, only about destroying govt that supports Human-Americans. Let's see if Ryan and such trashy ilk EVER support more taxes, less tax expenditures, subsidies on UCA.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

So Ryan is saying he will violate the Grover Norquist pledge to NEVER raise taxes?

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Semantics. Norquist has said that allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire is not technically a tax increase. If there's enough market pressure to get a deal done that helps with financial stability, they'll find more wiggle room.

I thought Speaker Boner was smarter.

Why Looming Budget Battles Might Still Shut Down the Gov’t


The Securities and Exchange Commission, Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Health and Human Services could face partial shutdowns this fall, as a politically polarized Congress faces a Sept. 30 deadline to approve a new federal budget.

During the contentious budget process, Congress typically passes "continuing resolutions" to fund federal agencies while legislators work out their differences.


But in an environment of political hostage-taking, the funding for some agencies could be put in limbo until a deal is reached, resulting in the suspension of more services such as the Federal Aviation Administration's temporary shutdown last week. During the shutdown, the agency's airport safety inspectors had to continue their work without pay while also paying their travel expenses.

Two prominent congressional scholars, Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Sarah Binder of the Brookings Institution, said the upcoming battle over the federal budget could result in agency shutdowns.

http://www.readersupportednews.org/o...the-government

The 'Super Congress' Is a Scam Designed to Force Cuts To Popular Programs and Keep Taxes On The Rich Low

It's a Set-Up

Here's how the deal was supposed to play out, according to the White House: Congress cut around $1 trillion in spending over the next 10 years as a “down payment” on a larger package in exchange for raising the debt limit through the 2012 election. The Gang of 12 is then supposed to come up with at least another $1.2 trillion in debt reduction through a mix of additional cuts – possibly to include cuts to Medicare and Social Security – and revenue increases. If seven members vote on a package along those lines, it will get an automatic up-or-down vote in both chambers of Congress – amendments won't be allowed.

If they can't cut a deal – or can't cut a deal that passes a deeply polarized Congress -- an automatic “trigger” kicks in, forcing an additional $1.2 trillion in cuts. Democrats had wanted it to include a mix of cuts and revenue increases in an effort to make Republicans negotiate in good faith, but that proved a sticking point with the GOP caucus. Eventually, the parties settled on a 50/50 mix of security and non-defense cuts – the the defense cuts were supposedly something Republicans would find intolerable.

The Democrats would have yet more leverage, they said, because the trigger would kick in at the same time as the Bush tax cuts are set to expire, which in theory would allow Obama to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans if the Gang of 12 comes up with a deal that isn't “balanced.”

It's an interesting legislative story, but none of it is going to happen.

Designed to Fail

The “super congress” that emerged from the deal offered a way to kick what had been an unbridgeable divide down the road a ways, but it doesn't alter the contours of the debate. While some Republicans have indicated that they might support closing a few loopholes to raise revenues, the party as a whole remains committed to their no-tax pledge. Democrats – especially House Democrats – have repeated that we need a “balanced” approach to cutting debt like a mantra. They've signaled they would be willing to accept some cuts to Social Security and Medicare, but not cuts sufficiently deep to entice enough GOP support for a package with new revenues.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/151993

Number One Donor To GOP’s Super Committee Co-Chairman Aids And Abets Tax Dodging And Outsourcing

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...mittee0811.jpg

his number one campaign donor makes its money aiding and abetting tax dodging and outsourcing:

Hensarling’s number one career donor, for instance, are the employees and PAC of accounting giant KPMG, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. His campaign committee has received $62,250 from company donors.

A few years ago, “KPMG — one of the ‘Big Four’ that dominate global accounting work — admitted it helped wealthy individuals in the US evade tax on billions of dollars of income between 1996 and 2002.” The company agreed to pay “$456 million in fines, restitution and penalties as part of an agreement to defer prosecution of the firm, the Justice Department and the Internal Revenue Service announced today.”

In 2011, KPMG was rated second place in the “World’s Best Outsourcing Advisors,” by the International Association of Outsourcing Professionals, “the leading professional association for organizations and individuals involved in transforming the world of business through outsourcing, offshoring, and shared services.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...r-outsourcing/

Super Congress already providing jobs, for lobbyists

Washington lobbyists, who usually spend their days and nights tracking the progress of dozens of bills and chasing after hundreds of members of Congress, will have a single place to focus their attention this fall: the 12-member “supercommittee” [...] “Supercommittee means superlobbying,” says John Feehery, who was a top aide to former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert and is now director of government affairs at Quinn Gillespie & Associates, one of Washington’s most prominent shops.[...]

The real money is going to be poured on by the health industry—hospitals, drug companies and medical device makers—and defense industry. If the committee doesn't come up with $1.5 trillion in cuts in other places, those two take the big hit in the automatic trigger. So what we'll probably see is the health industry arguing for cuts to the benefits of its direct consumers—Medicare beneficiaries—so that providers don't get the hit, and the defense industry lobbying for veterans benefits to take the hit, so that all important defense contractors stay in the money. Oh, and don't forget the oil and gas lobby, because the Democrats on the committee are definitely going to be targeting their tax breaks.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...28Daily+Kos%29

Debt panel mulls punting the details back to gridlocked House committees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us...agewanted=1&hp