Jon Stewart had a warm welcome in store for Megyn Kelly on "The Daily Show" last night.
After interpreting her maternity-leave rant in a fantastic mob dialect, Stewart delivered his counterpunch by pointing out that Kelly used to hate mandated benefits.
The fantastic mashup speaks for itself -- and makes Kelly look like a huge hypocrite.
"They're really only entitlements when it's something other people want," Stewart said. "When it's something you want... it's the foundation of a great society."
08-17-2011
RandomGuy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Low quality, but here is the bit. (The segment can be seen at the link in the OP)
08-17-2011
DUNCANownsKOBE
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
:lmao
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
It's not an entitlement.
08-17-2011
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
conservativism at it's core is hypocritical
08-17-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
It's not an entitlement.
Um, what?
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Um, what?
Is paid maternity leave mandated by law in the US?
08-17-2011
Agloco
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Gold. Stewart's been nailing it down of late.
08-17-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Is paid maternity leave mandated by law in the US?
Wait, so you think entitlements have to be mandated by law? :lol
You guys are hilarious when you try to play semantics like this.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Wait, so you think entitlements have to be mandated by law? :lol
You guys are hilarious when you try to play semantics like this.
Darrin, the first sentence from that link is below:
An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits basedon established rights or by legislation. A "right" is itself an entitlement associated with a moral or social principle, such that an "entitlement" is a provision made in accordance with legal framework of a society.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Federal law mandates that employers cannot fire female employees for taking maternity leave. Thus, I think there's certainly an entitlement to maternity leave for women who deliver babies, insofar as their jobs are protected by law.
Whether the leave is paid or not is a different question, but there is a basic entitlement to time off after the birth of a child.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
When people talk about "entitlements" they are talking about the legally mandated variety.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Federal law mandates that employers cannot fire female employees for taking maternity leave. Thus, I think there's certainly an entitlement to maternity leave for women who deliver babies, insofar as their jobs are protected by law.
Whether the leave is paid or not is a different question, but there is a basic entitlement to time off after the birth of a child.
Family Leave Act.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
When people talk about "entitlements" they are talking about the legally mandated variety.
So leave mandated by federal law isn't an entitlement of the legally mandated variety?
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
So leave mandated by federal law isn't an entitlement of the legally mandated variety?
I think I included the word "paid" in post #7.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Family Leave Act.
Sure. That also protects the employee's right to leave. The "leave" is the entitlement -- before the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (or the FMLA), an employer was not prohibited from firing an employee for taking leave after the birth of a child. Now, the government protects the employee's right to that leave. If your definition of entitlement is a legally mandated right, I have no idea how you can argue that leave after pregnancy isn't an entitlement.
08-17-2011
Th'Pusher
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Family Leave Act.
Yes. FMLA mandates that she has a job when she returns. How is that not an entitlement?
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Sure. That also protects the employee's right to leave. The "leave" is the entitlement -- before the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (or the FMLA), an employer was not prohibited from firing an employee for taking leave after the birth of a child. Now, the government protects the employee's right to that leave. If your definition of entitlement is a legally mandated right, I have no idea how you can argue that leave after pregnancy isn't an entitlement.
I'm not disagreeing with you. Leave is an entitlement, PAID leave is not.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
In Stewart's clip, the word "paid" is used only once by my count; Kelly's pre-leave rants about entitlements certainly aren't shown to have turned on the leave she rails against having been paid leave.
I'm not sure why you would insist upon it as an essential part of the definition of entitlement -- other than that it is the only way that your argument can even be tenable.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
In Stewart's clip, the word "paid" is used only once by my count; Kelly's pre-leave rants about entitlements certainly aren't shown to have turned on the leave having been paid leave.
I'm not sure why you would insist upon it as an essential part of the definition of entitlement -- other than that it is the only way that your argument can even be tenable.
When people talk about "entitlement programs" in the US, they are talking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits.
08-17-2011
Agloco
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Is paid maternity leave mandated by law in the US?
I see what you did there.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
When people talk about "entitlement programs" in the US, they are talking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits.
I'd think you meant to say:
"When I and people who think like I do talk about 'entitlement programs' in the US, they are taking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits."
And, since we're here, maternity leave isn't a discretionary benefit -- still.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
Yes. FMLA mandates that she has a job when she returns. How is that not an entitlement?
quotas!
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
When people talk about "entitlement programs" in the US, they are talking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits.
Not really.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
I'd think you meant to say:
"When I and people who think like I do talk about 'entitlement programs' in the US, they are taking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits."
And, since we're here, maternity leave isn't a discretionary benefit -- still.
You can always google "US Entitlement Programs" and see what you get.
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Not really.
You guys aren't being serious.
/out
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Good to hear you won't be bitching about foodstamps though.
08-17-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
You guys aren't being serious.
/out
Maybe now that you're done making an idiot of yourself in this thread you can go back to the climate thread and continue making an idiot of yourself there.
08-17-2011
coyotes_geek
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
I get that Darrin makes a fun and easy target, but he's right that when a political conversation is being held about entitlements, that conversation is about SS, medicare and medicaid.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I get that Darrin makes a fun and easy target, but he's right that when a political conversation is being held about entitlements, that conversation is about SS, medicare and medicaid.
Not here. How many discussions we had about Affirmative Action, foodstamps, etc?
Just do a search on the board for "entitlement mentality". You'll be surprised.
08-17-2011
CosmicCowboy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
In all fairness, as a star on Fox Megyn Kelly would have gotten maternity leave with or without the FMLA.
08-17-2011
CosmicCowboy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Is it an entitlement if it just grants you something you already have?
08-17-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?
08-17-2011
coyotes_geek
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Not here. How many discussions we had about Affirmative Action, foodstamps, etc?
Just do a search on the board for "entitlement mentality". You'll be surprised.
I did, and most of what I see are posts from 2008 about religion.
Sure, you can make a bunch of different things fit into the entitlement definition, but when a politician or pundit stands up to talk about entitelements, they're talking about those three specific programs. To pretend otherwise is just being obtuse.
08-17-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Does the government lose anything on account of medical leaves?
08-17-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Do tax payers have their pay taxed in order to make these medical leaves possible?
08-17-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Are apples oranges?
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Is it an entitlement if it just grants you something you already have?
If you need a law to say that your job will be protected while you take leave, I think it's fair to say that the law entitles you to leave. Before that law, you had the option to take leave but only by gambling that a job would remain available to you upon your return.
08-17-2011
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Do govt employees get paid on maternity leave?....
08-17-2011
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?
Quote:
The Federal Government offers numerous leave flexibilities to assist employees in meeting their work and family obligations, including paid time off for childbirth and adoption and care of the newborn or adopted child. Federal employee leave benefits are based on employee service credit and time in a pay status. A new employee begins Government service accruing 13 days of annual leave each year. After 3 years of service, the annual leave accrual rate increases to 20 days each year, and at 15 years of service, the employee accrues 26 days of annual leave each leave year. The amount of annual leave that may be carried over from one leave year to the next is capped at 240 hours (30 days) for most employees. At any time in the leave year, an agency may advance to an employee the amount of annual leave he or she would accrue during the remainder of the leave year.
08-17-2011
FromWayDowntown
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Sure, you can make a bunch of different things fit into the entitlement definition, but when a politician or pundit stands up to talk about entitelements, they're talking about those three specific programs. To pretend otherwise is just being obtuse.
The things that Kelly was railing about before her leave weren't confined to those programs. In the "before" clips, Kelly specifically railed about the idea that FMLA gives men the right to take leave after the birth of their child without any mention of pay; in the "after" clip, Kelly scolds her guest about the availability of leave for men under the FMLA (even going so far as to note its availability for 12 weeks) and suggests that the post-childbirth allowance for leave in this country is insufficient because it doesn't require that such leave be paid leave.
I don't think the point of this is about politicians in general, nor could Stewart's clip establish that point. But Stewart shows the changed view of Megyn Kelly and her fierce support of the entitlement to leave after childbirth and leaves it to viewers to conclude that she might be a hypocrite who enjoys the fruits of an entitlement policy that she has so vigorously challenged in the past.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I did, and most of what I see are posts from 2008 about religion.
That's just this year alone. Not surprised to see the usual suspects though.
08-17-2011
coyotes_geek
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
The things that Kelly was railing about before her leave weren't confined to those programs. In the "before" clips, Kelly specifically railed about the idea that FMLA gives men the right to take leave after the birth of their child without any mention of pay; in the "after" clip, Kelly scolds her guest about the availability of leave for men under the FMLA (even going so far as to note its availability for 12 weeks) and suggests that the post-childbirth allowance for leave in this country is insufficient because it doesn't require that such leave be paid leave.
I don't think the point of this is about politicians in general, nor could Stewart's clip establish that point. But Stewart shows the changed view of Megyn Kelly and her fierce support of the entitlement to leave after childbirth and leaves it to viewers to conclude that she might be a hypocrite who enjoys the fruits of an entitlement policy that she has so vigorously challenged in the past.
I'm not saying Kelly isn't a hypocrite. I'm just agreeing with Darrin that when someone says "entitlement program" they're not talking about FMLA.
That's just this year alone. Not surprised to see the usual suspects though.
Ok. The point?
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Ok. The point?
Same as before. Not all people talking about 'entitlements' restrict them to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.
08-17-2011
coyotes_geek
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Same as before. Not all people talking about 'entitlements' restrict them to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.
"entitlement mentality" =/= "entitlement program"
But, since we can rest assured that WC will eventually stumble upon this thread to discuss all the keener points of the context of the video in the OP, we can let him weigh in on what programs he thinks are being referred to when someone talks about entitlement programs.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
"entitlement mentality" =/= "entitlement program"
But Darrin's comment wasn't about programs:
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
It's not an entitlement.
So we're discussing this as an entitlement vs non-entitlement.
Not sure where 'programs' came into play.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Probably a post-facto goalpost move, tbh
08-17-2011
DarrinS
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Ok. The point?
Good luck with that.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
And if we're sticking with programs, foodstamps is another "handout" government program too.
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Good luck with that.
I thought you already ran away from your claim (/out)?
And if we're sticking with programs, foodstamps is another "handout" government program too.
Not to mention that Evil WIC.:ihit
08-17-2011
TeyshaBlue
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
I mean, who the hell wants to feed women, infants and children? Sure as hell not conservatives! Right?
08-17-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
I mean, who the hell wants to feed women, infants and children? Sure as hell not conservatives! Right?
That's what charity is for... and if charity isn't enough, tough cookie.
08-17-2011
TeyshaBlue
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Cookies? Let them eat cake!
08-17-2011
coyotes_geek
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Cookies? Let them eat cake!
:lol
08-17-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
We're all out of cake.
08-17-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Good luck with that.
Good luck with getting you to show your face back in a thread like the climate topic after you've exhausted your bullshit links received in an email you partisan hack.
08-17-2011
TeyshaBlue
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
We're all out of cake.
Buzzkill.:depressed
08-17-2011
LnGrrrR
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
That last bit about maternity/paternity leave is brutal.
That said, I'm very glad that the military grants paternity leave now, as I'll be taking advantage of it soon enough.
Edit: Dang, 12 weeks? I'm happy to get 10 days. :lol
08-17-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GGA
"The Federal Government offers numerous leave flexibilities to assist employees in meeting their work and family obligations, including paid time off for childbirth and adoption and care of the newborn or adopted child. Federal employee leave benefits are based on employee service credit and time in a pay status. A new employee begins Government service accruing 13 days of annual leave each year. After 3 years of service, the annual leave accrual rate increases to 20 days each year, and at 15 years of service, the employee accrues 26 days of annual leave each leave year. The amount of annual leave that may be carried over from one leave year to the next is capped at 240 hours (30 days) for most employees. At any time in the leave year, an agency may advance to an employee the amount of annual leave he or she would accrue during the remainder of the leave year."
i think it's pretty obvious the government would oversee a government employee's medical leave. i didn't think i had to make that disclaimer. oh well. Thanks, Mr Obvious :tu
08-18-2011
desflood
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
That last bit about maternity/paternity leave is brutal.
That said, I'm very glad that the military grants paternity leave now, as I'll be taking advantage of it soon enough.
Edit: Dang, 12 weeks? I'm happy to get 10 days. :lol
Oh, you lucky dog. My husband had to take a week of regular leave every time we had a kid :lol
08-18-2011
LnGrrrR
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by desflood
Oh, you lucky dog. My husband had to take a week of regular leave every time we had a kid :lol
I know. They just approved paternity leave a few months before I had my first kid; I was pretty happy about that!
Then again, I could afford to take the leave... right now, I'm carrying 75 days over to the next fiscal year.
08-18-2011
TeyshaBlue
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Dont you already have like 1200 kids, LnG?:lol
08-18-2011
LnGrrrR
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Dont you already have like 1200 kids, LnG?:lol
This will be the 2nd. It's just that the first one was only 1 year, 9 mos ago. :)
I'm pretty sure we'll be set with two boys for awhile. :lol
08-18-2011
SnakeBoy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Is this bit delicious and yummy also RG?
Quote:
Jon Stewart Rips Ed Schultz For Rick Perry Clip (VIDEO)
No. It's not RED. That's the official "delicious" shade.:jack
08-18-2011
MannyIsGod
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Is this bit delicious and yummy also RG?
I think so!
08-18-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Ed Schultz reminds me of Francis Buxton. :lol only angrier.
08-18-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?
And yes, GGA. There's actual intercourse in hardcore porn. Just want to make that more obviouser.
08-18-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
Gold. Stewart's been nailing it down of late.
It appears he does, but not really.
Most corporations have had maternity for years now. Just not as a paid benefit, but to use your own accrued vacation time.
Why is she a hypocrite for using an employer provided benefit? I agree it is wrong for the government to require such things, especially if it is a paid benefit. I don't see how her view differs from that. Now to require all places adopt a voluntary benefit other places has is changing it to an entitlement.
08-22-2011
RandomGuy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
It appears he does, but not really.
Most corporations have had maternity for years now. Just not as a paid benefit, but to use your own accrued vacation time.
Why is she a hypocrite for using an employer provided benefit? I agree it is wrong for the government to require such things, especially if it is a paid benefit. I don't see how her view differs from that. Now to require all places adopt a voluntary benefit other places has is changing it to an entitlement.
You didn't really watch the clip, did you?
She started going on about the benefits of the Family Leave Act.
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
You didn't really watch the clip, did you?
She started going on about the benefits of the Family Leave Act.
I did, what did I miss? As far as I know, the act does not require employers to pay for the absence. It's been around for some time now too.
08-22-2011
ChumpDumper
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Do you guys give each other points for each display of ignorance?
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Do you guys give each other points for each display of ignorance?
You and random can have those points today.
I didn't see anything hypocritical. She is not asking for an entitlement of paid leave. The FMLA act requires large employer to provide unpaid leave for having a newborn, and other instances.
Be the ignorant one, and let those telling the story frame it for you.
08-22-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Question. Wouldn't FMLA be considered more of a civil right action as opposed to an "entitlement"?
And no one has answered my other question.
08-22-2011
ChumpDumper
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You and random can have those points today.
I didn't see anything hypocritical. She is not asking for an entitlement of paid leave. The FMLA act requires large employer to provide unpaid leave for having a newborn, and other instances.
Be the ignorant one, and let those telling the story frame it for you.
So she can just leave when she shits out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?
Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?
08-22-2011
Viva Las Espuelas
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So she can just leave when she shits out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?
Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?
Are you even serious or just maintaining your "?" quota? I dare you to say that in a room full of women.
08-22-2011
ChumpDumper
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Are you even serious or just maintaining your "?" quota? I dare you to say that in a room full of women.
Even conservative ones!
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Question. Wouldn't FMLA be considered more of a civil right action as opposed to an "entitlement"?
And no one has answered my other question.
I don't know what to consider it. I think the requirement to have some is necessary, I think the mandatory time frame is excessive though.
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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Does the government lose anything on account of medical leaves?
Depends on if it's paid leave or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Do tax payers have their pay taxed in order to make these medical leaves possible?
Don't know. Are any of them paid leaves outside of using accrued vacation days?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Are apples oranges?
I have noticed some people here think they are.
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So she can just leave when she shits out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?
Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?
It's only larger employers. It's not mandated on business that cannot deal with such transitions.
Now I agree this shouldn't be necessary. All good employers I have worked for gave their employees good benefits as incentives to work for them, instead of someone else. Still, with a baby, there are instances when the mother must take time off. To make it legally fair, they had to extend that to the father too.
08-22-2011
ElNono
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
My wife just had to file for federal FMLA under the self-health provision (state FMLA statutes normally only cover pregnancy and relative-health, not self-health).
Wages are not covered, but the employer has to keep contributing to the health coverage and has to reinstate the employee at the end of the LOA.
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
My wife just had to file for federal FMLA under the self-health provision (state FMLA statutes normally only cover pregnancy and relative-health, not self-health).
Wages are not covered, but the employer has to keep contributing to the health coverage and has to reinstate the employee at the end of the LOA.
Yes, so one could say the employer pays, but they pay this anyway when paid or unpaid leave is granted for other reasons. The difference is that this is a leave the employer cannot refuse.
08-22-2011
RandomGuy
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I did, what did I miss? As far as I know, the act does not require employers to pay for the absence. It's been around for some time now too.
Fuck, you still haven't watched it have you?
She went out and railed against the Family Leave Act a few years ago, then has a kid and gets all militant in support of it.
Don't shit me by trying to say that if I had asked you about the Family Leave Act before this you would not have pegged it as a gub'mint handout.
08-22-2011
Wild Cobra
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Fuck, you still haven't watched it have you?
She went out and railed against the Family Leave Act a few years ago, then has a kid and gets all militant in support of it.
Not by the link I saw. That was a bunch of edited stuff. I don;'t know what was snipped together.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Don't shit me by trying to say that if I had asked you about the Family Leave Act before this you would not have pegged it as a gub'mint handout.
It isn't a handout.
Why would I? I was aware of this more than a decade ago. Now I don't agree entirely with it, but at least women should have their jobs protected in most cases when the employer is large enough that it doesn't really have an impact. I disagree with all cases, but most, yes.
08-22-2011
ploto
Re: Delicious conservative hypocrisy
As one of the few in this thread to have given birth, I think the leave for maternity is excessive. Six weeks to recover physically and return to your job in due diligence is enough. If you want to stay out longer to bond with your child-- like I did-- quit your job and stay at home. No one should have to hold your job while you take optional time off for which you have no saved leave. Men should have to use saved leave to take time off, as well. Why should you get extra paid time off because you chose to have a kid. Save up your vacation for when it is born or take time off without pay.