using wrong code = miscodeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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using wrong code = miscodeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
gfy
Wow...
Chump used to be better at this.
Chumpy...
You're losing it!
skipping over your other words you know fuck you = pricelessQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You were never good at this.
WC...
You never had it!
That doesn't even make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's ok. Just be full of shit and whine when you are called on it. It's always going to be that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
It is illegal to trade in any of the fauna or flora protected by CITES. Those fauna and flora are widely published and conditions on their use are published. Those restrictions and conditions have been in place for decades. It is the responsibility of the manufacturer to check the legality, and origin of materials it uses. The agreements are in place to protect both national environmental resources and Industry. The US was and is a prime mover in the establishment of the agreement. Gibson's claimed coding error/ignorance is no defense. This aint rocket science. Any luthier worth his shit knows this stuff and has for about the last 20 years. Gibson wanted cheaper wood. They got it. They also got their ass busted for it.
Chump said what........................................:lol :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I said what you quoted. What part do you not understand?
What part of the laughing heads don't you understand........:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Sounds like that "everyone's a felon" mentality, to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Three Felonies A Day
How the Feds Target the Innocent
I think ignorance of the law is -- and has been, for quite some time now -- a pretty damn good excuse.
Except Gibson has known about the law for decades until they suddenly didn't.
I understand what they mean. If you can't explain why they are there, that's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by xrayzebra
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
I'm not that familiar with the case, what's their excuse? That they mis-coded something and ended up with illegal wood, unintentionally?Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
No, they sourced wood illegally then claimed the source miscoded it. The sources never code, period.
The Rule Of Law Is Vacated
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What law did Gibson Guitar Corp break that caused federal agents to disrupt Gibson's plants in Nashville and Memphis, seize guitars, cause layoffs, and cost the company $3 million from disrupted operations?
No US law was broken. The feds claim that Gibson broke a law that is on the books in India.
India has not complained about Gibson or asked for the aid of the US government in enforcing its laws against Gibson. Instead, the feds have taken it upon themselves to both interpret and to enforce on US citizens the laws of India. The feds claim that Gibson's use of wood from India in its guitars is illegal, because the wood was not finished by Indian workers.
This must not be India's interpretation of the law as India allowed the unfinished wood to be exported. Perhaps the feds are trying to force more layoffs of US workers and their replacement by H-1B foreign workers. Gibson can solve its problem by firing its Tennessee work force and hiring Indian citizens on H-1B work visas.
If the description I posted is an accurate characterization of what happened, it is right out of the article I posted. In fact, it was the first example.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
So, if India had done something to the wood that would have allowed it to be classified as finished; there wouldn't have been a problem?
Ridiculous.
No it's a set of laws that the US is signatory to. Google CITES.
The author of that post is completely ignorant of what's going on and his claimed violations are inaccurate as well. But, it's pretty good for an unfounded rant.
BTW...this aint Gibson's first dance. Apparently, the Feds are fucking tired of it.
What specific section of the law did Gibson violate? CITES is a big website, I'm not about to try and navigate through to figure out what Gibson is supposed to have done wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Gibson wasn't charged with violating an Indian law related to importing unfinished wood?Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
So, just what went on? If I Google the story now, all I get is that Gibson capitulated. None of the stories explain -- beyond importing illegal wood -- exactly what Gibson has done.
What made the wood illegal?
So, if I have this right, the federal government, pursuant to the Lacey Act (sound familiar) filed criminal charges against Gibson over ebony wood imported from Madagascar and India. Neither country -- in the stories I read -- claim the exportation by them, or the importation by Gibson, violated their country's laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Therefore, under authority granted by the Lacey Act, the U. S. Government determined the ebony wood was illegally imported by Gibson.
I'm still not seeing how this is different than the Lacey Act case described at my link.
I realize Gibson capitulated but, that could just be because they were outlasted by the government and were bleeding money litigating. Last I heard, Gibson maintained they had violated no laws in importing the wood.
Neither country has the ability to lodge a complaint styled like that, so that's basically moot.
Gibson was feeling squeezed sourcing wood the way it normally has. They have to maintain a tremendous amount of stock of timber of which you can't use for several years after it's felled. The alternative sourcing was a poorly conceived, sloppy method for obtaining more stock. Again, they've been spanked for this before, but have been let off lightly. Not this time.
:lmao !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Now this all makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Since Obama wants to destroy this nation, he wants to make sure Indian workers finish the wood. Not USA workers.