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Who cares, I want my cheap products.
Let's let them dump their pollution here since pollution doesn't matter in exchange for cancelling our debt.
... Or did I just steal Rick Perry's ace in the hole?
What USA will look like after the UCA gets the govt off their backs.
well the fucked up thing is china packs most of the waste and a lot of it is toxic waste into humongous ships. then the ships get to around mid-pacific. and then they dump all that shit .
A lot of South America's west coast is feeling the pain from this.
and man-made waste islands are being created:
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Is China to the Left or Right of the United States politically?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Apple's Chinese Suppliers Accused of Causing Significant Environmental Damage
"Environmental watchdog groups in China on Wednesday released a report detailing a 5-month investigation on electronic suppliers that they believe are used by Apple. According to the report, accessory manufacturer Kaedar Electronics and printed circuit board maker Unimicron have allegedly been discharging waste water and harmful gas from their plants in the Chinese city of Kunshan. The report claims that over a 10-year period, 'many people have fallen sick, with a sharp increase in the village's cancer rates.' Since 2007, more than nine people have suffered or died from cancer in the village, which has a population of fewer than 60. Apple declined to say if the companies named were in fact its suppliers, but company spokeswoman Carolyn Wu, responding to the report, said, 'Apple is committed to driving the highest standards of social responsibility throughout our supply base.'"
"Is China to the Left or Right of the United States politically"
China is where the VRWC wants the UCA to be. Politics, left or right, is not the question. the objective is govt doing the bidding of/being paid by UCA to run America in authoritarian/police-state/no-dissent-allowed/everybody's-a-suspet, for the greatest good for the fewest number.
China go their with their Communist scam, while America is going there with its VRWC/capitalist/free-market/all-govt-is-bad scam.
The objective is the amassing of wealth, power, privilege, unassailable control, no matter what the political scam used to achieve it.
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
If we take power from the government, how does it have the power to wield to enrich its friends?
That's a big if. I would say almost unrealistically/unlikely big.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
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Originally Posted by ElNono
I agree with you, but B was arguing that the "VRWC", in arguing AGAINST Big Government, was attempting to make the U.S. like China. Non Sequitor, IMO.
I never said VRWC is against govt.
VRWC is against any govt that is not compromised by the VRWC.
So VRWC LOVES the current govt since that govt is fully compromised to enrich/protect VRWC and to fuck everybody else.
Govt isn't the problem for VRWC.
Govt that is a true countervailing power to VRWC is their problem
That's why America and H-A's are so fucked and unfuckable because the VRWC+govt power center has so much power it can't be defeated, and power is never yielded without violence.
Don't really think that what he calls the "VRWC" cares about size of government, IMO. As long as they're allowed to influence it, the size is kind of immaterial.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
Self-absorbed Americans turning this into an intellectual discussion about capitalism, government, and some other shit that's probably over my head.
Nary a tear shed for those poor Chinese people.
You can't help the Chinese people if you don't attack the root issue, such as government, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
"Nary a tear shed for those poor Chinese people."
Human-Americans don't even shed a tear for those poor H-As that are living in poverty, 25M who can't find a job, millions of middle-class Americans who are losing their homes and comfortable lifestyles as their savings are spent, are falling into financial, housing, food insecurity.
au contraire, the VRWC/Repugs/conservatives coupabalize/criminalize "losers" as cheaters, parasites, fakers.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
now means
"VRWC/UCA is united, and divides and fells Human-Americans"
I get that and I agree 100%. It just struck me that there wasn't an even "that sucks" uttered. And I'm just as guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about half the time. Maybe you defined it earlier but I don't know what your acronyms, "VRWC" or "UCA" stand for. And the implication behind your phrase "Human-Americans" eludes me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
holyshit, this is horrible. to think the oic gave them the olympics. to think our govt encourages this shit by allow massive imports.
Jimmy Ricky's corrupt TX granted a huge political contributor the right to store radioactive wastes over the fossil water of the Ogallala aquifer. shed a tear?
Repug whores cry for $Ms, not for H-As.
^
Oh, I get it now. You just like to complain about everything. And are maybe a little off your rocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
United Corporations of America (superseded the United States of America),
aka,
the corporatocracy superseding/disenfranchising democracy
Human-Americans in contrast to (Citizens United) Corporate-Americans.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
IF (capitilized) there is a conspiracy going on, you're short sighted to think it's limited to the Right Wing and the corporations. THEY'RE surely smart enough to know that people will think that. So IF there is a conspiracy, it's probably so complicated that you're not going to ever know about it.
But in any event, I'm looking forward to finally getting to the new Fall season of TV shows.
After reading this thread, all I can say is, I want the last two minutes of my life back.
Wtf is the deal with that first photo, btw?
Click the link.
Human misery personified. It makes me hate.
That guy has cancer and lesions all over his body and has to sleep hunched over light that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
"you're short sighted to think it's limited to the Right Wing and the corporations"
you said that, I didn't.
"THEY'RE surely smart enough to know that people will think that. So IF there is a conspiracy, it's probably so complicated that you're not going to ever know about it."
wow, "check out the big brain on Brad"
Of course, the VRWC is too intelligent, too sophisticated, to try to achieve their objectives by blatant force (although the UCA police state is going after H-As, not C-As), so it's non-stop progaganda, lies, distortions, slander, going back 30+ years.
Sorry, what's the "VRWC" again?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
When it comes to the actual implementation of pollution controls, which are minimal, the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
There is next to no accountability on the part of any individual company when it comes to paying the costs for their pollution produced from their products.
Pretty much exactly what libertarians seem to think will work in this country, i.e. companies self-regulating.
My guess it it was taken after some big storm, but the media likes to sensationalize things.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Vast Right Wing ConspiracyQuote:
Originally Posted by cantthinkofanything
It appears in about 50% of B's posts.
Which libertarians think industrial polluters will self regulate?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
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Originally Posted by 101A
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
China at a Tipping Point
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The scale and pace of China’s economic development has indeed been remarkable by any standards. China has experienced average annual growth rates of 10 percent for more than 30 years, and it is now the world’s second largest economy. On some projections, it may overtake the United States in terms of purchasing power parities as early as 2016. China is also the world’s largest exporter, having usurped Germany’s top spot in 2010, and holds the biggest share of foreign exchange reserves.
Yet these achievements do not appear to have led to a sense of complacency on the part of the Chinese leadership, who are concerned about how to create a sustainable model of growth.
To a certain extent this rebalancing process has already begun. Some experts are predicting that China’s trade surplus will fall to less than 2 percent of GDP in 2011, a significant drop from its peak of 9 percent in 2007. While investment levels remain very high (having increased to nearly 50 percent as a share of GDP in 2010-11 from around 42 percent in 2008), they should fall as the $586 billion stimulus package that was rolled out in 2008 in response to the financial crisis is brought to an end. Rising levels of real wages should also help to increase consumption.
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:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
That was a ST poster trying to win a debate with Chump about 9/11
If only America were lucky enough to have those industries that create jobs. But you ankle biting liberals just don't get it. These damn regulations you rail against have forced the jobs to China.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
Only 50%?
I see ElNono cobbled together a couple quotes after yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
Guess this is directed to me anyway.
Self regulation is the idea when the owner has a vested interest, as when the area is his own. You all know I am not a libertarian who advocates anarchy, which is what you have when you allow no control over others. Laws an regulation are needed. How many times have I pointed out the necessity that my idea of libertarianism extends as far as one wishes, until it infringes upon others.
Polluting property not yours is definitely an infringement upon others.
When I point out these necessary evils to avoid anarchy, you guys like to call me authoritarian.
I keep shaking my head, wondering, will you ever understand.
Parker2112, for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
His position is that of Ron Paul's. Get rid of any government oversight, and let motivated groups of individual sue any companies that get out of line or do something nasty.
I will try to dig up the thread where he argues this. I find it a rather bizarre belief system.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by mouse
You LieQuote:
Originally Posted by scott
It's the absence of regs protecting Human-Chinese that makes their crap so cheap but their babies so still-born or maimed, and their people so diseased and cancerous.
Repug solution? import by the boatload Chinese disregard for humans to increase profits (but it won't increase (good) US jobs)
Neither. But if you want to frame the argument in this manner we should ask whether the left or the right want fewer environmental restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
The vast majority of them? You can't honestly be making this argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
I'm all for regulations that are practical, actually do some good, and don't kill job growth. See CA for numerous examples of what NOT to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
"kill job growth"
regulations don't kill job growth. The Banksters' Great Depression and job-exporting "free trade" killed and kills more jobs than any regulations you imagine.
That, and the fact that Human-Americans don't want to pay $2000 for an iPad.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Value Realty Water ClosetQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
or something like that
Apple is in your hated, over-regulated, but somehow extremely wealthy California.
And sure, the VRWC/UCA knew exactly what they were doing when the pushed the free trade/globalization agenda. It wasn't good for the foreign countries (eg, ask MX farmers about the price of corn), and clearly wasn't good for the Human-Americans' good jobs.
By their nature all environmental regulations make it more expensive for corporations and thereby hurt job growth. So if you're stipulation for regulations is that they not hurt job growth then you're not in favor of any environmental regulations that are actually necessary. Any regulation that does not make it more expensive for a corporation is likely not needed as the corporation would take the cheaper route already.
Regs protecting workers and the environment internalize the costs.
No regs externalize the costs of UCA damage to workers and environment.
You don't think so? When it came to business, he was ruthless...Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
:lol you fucking moronQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm
scott and his VLWC! :rolleyes
:lol
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
No, I'm serious.
Other than hyperbole, or, "they all do". Is there a link to a legitimate politician or leader of the Libertarian party in which that person argues AGAINST regulating, again specifically, INDUSTRIAL polluters (maybe there is; don't run in those circles myself - though I certainly have the predisposition).
The left and right question btw, was aimed simply at Boutons and the VRWC bomb he dropped - which has gotten plenty of play in this thread already anyway.
VRWC strategy has been so effective (easy against the dickless Dems) that the Dems have moved to the right and protecting/enriching the VRWC assholes, eg, Clinton getting suckered by Rubin, etc to kill Glass-Steagal, the current bunch of dickless Dems being suckered into the bogus deficit problem, when the priority is jobs (for Dems, for blacks, etc), NOT the deficit.
Ignoring the deluded libertarians, does anybody have any evidence that self-regulation has ever worked?
www.ronpaul.comQuote:
Originally Posted by 101A
specifically Ron Paul is for the elimination of the EPA and for polluters to only answer property owners.
http://io9.com/5966689/after-extensi...arth-is-fuckedQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
" Science has given you your mandate, people: Go blow some shit up."
I'm gonna pass on that particular manifesto.
Only those who don't shop at Walmart should be able to criticize China.
You are such a tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Haven't you noticed... Walmart carries the same products as other stores!
American made tool I hope.Quote:
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I get what you are saying, but you specifically targeted Walmart. Their major competitors sell mostly the same products too. You can buy American made products in Walmart. They do have them you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
Are you saying Walmart could stay open and fully stocked w/o China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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Most stores can't. Why are you targeting only Walmart? They by no means have a monopoly on Chinese goods.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
walmart ain't the only retailing corp that sells chinese made bads in the US but they have almost monopolized the retailing business in US and maybe around the world as well. their retailing network gives chinese products protection from anti-dumping duty, which would otherwise tax the shit out of these fuckheads tbh. the question is not whether wal-mart will survive w/o china, even if there was no wal-mart the chinks would find other US retailers to help them invade the US economically, the question is if the chink's would've made such a great fortune over only 20yrs something w/o wal-mart or any other american retailer acting as their accomplices tbh
Horrific Fire Revealed a Gap in Safety for Global Brands
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/wo...s&emc=rss&_r=0
Walmart said no to paying for fire safety in Bangladesh factories
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...28Daily+Kos%29
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I fire alarm goes off... the fire system works... managers order employees to stay saying it's a test, and it Walmarts fault?
My God Boutons. Are you really that brainwashed?
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Originally Posted by mouse
No answer?
Tell me how would Walmarts shelves look if you left only American made products on them?
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How would most stores look if you applied the same criteria to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse
I ask again...
Why are you only targeting Walmart?
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23