The Tea Party and Ron Paul Cheer for the Uninsured to Die

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09...nsured-to-die/
During the Tea Party debate, a question was asked to Libertarian favorite, Ron Paul. Ron Paul was asked if an uninsured 30 year old has a serious accident, who would pay for treatment under your health plan? Paul tried to run around the question and claim that the uninsured would want the government to pay if they wanted a socialist system, but then he finally got to his real answer.

Ron Paul: That is what freedom is all about and taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to take care of everyone…

(Tea Party crowd cheers)

Moderator: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

(Tea Party crowd screams YES!) Something tells my I hear CC screaming as well.

The problem is perfectly resolved by requiring everyone to be docked from their pay (no caps) for a universal, no-opt-out, public health insurance option. Everybody pays, everybody's covered, no questions asked, no hesitation to seek treatment.

Civilized countries do it, for-greedy-UCA-profit America doesn't.

Paul's position is nothing but the moral and ethical depravity of Ayn Rand's crap. It also puts him at odds with a long-standing American humanitarian policy that taxpayer financed medical facilities be open to anyone without insurance. Paul is so fringe he'll never break 10% in a big election.

The blood-thirsty Repug/tea bagger mob cheering "let the injured die" and also cheering Jimmy Ricky's lose-no-sleep TX execution record is irrefutable proof of their sociopathy.

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.

Go deliver pizzas.

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Not in this economy.

Good luck delivering pizzas and having an extra $200-$300 on the side. Unless you're the owner of the pizza place or single with no kids at 30.

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

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What a country! If you happen to lose your job/insurance don't expect other citizens to pitch in for the treatment to give you a chance at life... they probably don't pay federal income tax so they don't deserve ANYTHING


coming from the pro-life crown nonetheless....

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

A 30 year old man should be able to pay $200-300 a mo. for insurance as was given in Wolf's example. Sucks, but that's the game. Take the risk, accept the consequences.


Go deliver pizzas.

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Mom Loses Job After Kidney Donation
Updated: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011, 9:58 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 5:11 PM EDT

PHILADELPHIA - A Philadelphia mother ready to return to work after giving her son a kidney finds out she doesn't have a job to return to.

If you're a mom, chances are you'd do anything for your child.

Claudia Rendon didn't hesitate when her son needed one of her kidneys.

But she didn't think she'd have to choose between her child and her job.

She's smiling now, but make no mistake, this has been the toughest year of Rendon's life.

"It was the hardest thing i ever had to go through, bury my mother," Rendon said.

Even as Rendon mourned her mom, she found out her father had leukemia, her uncle passed away, and her son's kidneys failed.

"Everything was coming down all at once. I felt like the best thing that happened to me this whole entire year was that God gave me the blessing of being able to give my son my kidney."

Through it all, Rendon showed up to work at the Aviation Institute Of Maintenance, in Northeast Philadelphia.

The company teaches would-be mechanics how to fix planes.

Rendon used her vacation time to be with her mother. But she needed a leave of absence to donate her kidney to her son.

"She saved my life basically,” says Alex Rendon. “Who else can say their mom gave them life two times?"

Before she left, she says her boss made her sign a paper, saying her job would not be guaranteed.

Sure enough, late last week, her supervisor told her he had hired someone else.

Fox 29 tried to find out why the Aviation Institute Of Maintenance fired someone the company itself describes as a good employee.

"I have no comment and I'll have ask you to leave," said Rendon's former boss.

The company had the right to terminate her employment under FMLA, or the Family Medical Leave Act. FMLA covers an employee for 12 weeks and Rendon took off less time than that. But she also worked for a small company with under 50 employees, and those companies operate under different FMLA rules.

A company representative also said it was in its legal rights to let Rendon go.

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if she has complications..she knew the 'risk' of donating her kideny to her child could cost her job.....so she should accept that it's her time and just die already..


sincerely,

the christian right

If Allah wills it ...

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

The problem is perfectly resolved by requiring everyone to be docked from their pay (no caps) for a universal, no-opt-out, public health insurance option. Everybody pays, everybody's covered, no questions asked, no hesitation to seek treatment.

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So you and RP agree on the free rider problem, you just differ on the remedy.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09...nsured-to-die/
During the Tea Party debate, a question was asked to Libertarian favorite, Ron Paul. Ron Paul was asked if an uninsured 30 year old has a serious accident, who would pay for treatment under your health plan? Paul tried to run around the question and claim that the uninsured would want the government to pay if they wanted a socialist system, but then he finally got to his real answer.

Ron Paul: That is what freedom is all about and taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to take care of everyone…

(Tea Party crowd cheers)

Moderator: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

(Tea Party crowd screams YES!) Something tells my I hear CC screaming as well.

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Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

:lmao at the tea party crowd. They remind me of the audience at the Running Man tv show:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u93Wi1U2HI...man-1987-3.jpg

People cheering remind you of tea party people??? You get reminded during sporting events as well?

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

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He went on to say it should be paid for by charity/churches, which is unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher

He went on to say it should be paid for by charity/churches, which is unrealistic.

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I don't think that's an accurate complete summary of what he said. He did mention charity and churches but I don't think he said they "should" pay for it. I'm just going off memory though.

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

Paul has a good foreign policy, domestic not so much. But it's an answer I would expect out of someone who believes that there should be literally zero government interference with our lives.

ITT: people butthurt there are still people in this world who prefer to be responsible for themselves

I can understand how seeing people on tv cheer at the idea of a man having to accept the negative consequences of his foolish choice intimidate you knowing you could not survive on your own in such a world.

There's a difference between Running Man Crowd and Tea Party crowd who just wants you to pay your own fking bills tbh imho irl kthxbye. It's not like the Tea Party crowd are all top 1%'ers. They are getting up at 5am and working their ass off to afford their bills just like the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

ITT: people butthurt there are still people in this world who prefer to be responsible for themselves

I can understand how seeing people on tv cheer at the idea of a man having to accept the negative consequences of his foolish choice intimidate you knowing you could not survive on your own in such a world.

There's a difference between Running Man Crowd and Tea Party crowd who just wants you to pay your own fking bills tbh imho irl kthxbye. It's not like the Tea Party crowd are all top 1%'ers. They are getting up at 5am and working their ass off to afford their bills just like the rest of us.

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So they hypothetical 30 year old with no insurance is taken to the hospital in need of urgent care. What is the doctor to do?

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

How stronger would the nation be as a whole, if individuals approached life this way. In the meantime, we can quit worrying about Afghani women and help out single moms in our own country. :toast

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

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I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required...

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

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Originally Posted by ManuBalboa

Take care of the next patient in need of urgent care who has health insurance.

Moral of the story: quit having kids you can't afford, work harder & longer, educate yourself, pass up the depreciating assets and take care of emergency funds/insurance, prepare for bad times, and keep hoping insurance costs come down.

How stronger would the nation be as a whole, if individuals approached life this way. In the meantime, we can quit worrying about Afghani women and help out single moms in our own country. :toast

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I hear you, but then I guess the Hippocratic oath needs some revisions...

You simply can't box everyone under the sun with such broad sweeping strokes... some jobs (jobs needed by society, mind you) simply don't pay enough and have nothing to do with whether or not someone is lazy (or having children etc...)

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

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what's your life worth jack? how much money is too much?

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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required...

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

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Here's the thing: A lot of doctors around the country treat people who are directly responsible for their own bad health: High BP, Diabetes, Heart disease, whether it be from excessive eating, drinking, or smoking. Not everyone BUT ALOT. They do that to themselves. They're affecting their own familly.

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

Paul has a good foreign policy, domestic not so much. But it's an answer I would expect out of someone who believes that there should be literally zero government interference with our lives.

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I don't have much faith in him having faith in other countries to leave us alone if we leave them alone. I just don't buy that.

But at the same time, I'm not saying we gotta step up our occupation count. Force begets force.

I guess all those people that choose to have cancer, lost their jobs, insurance, and went bankrupt getting treatment only have themselves to blame. Getting cancer was their choice, right?

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Originally Posted by mingus

Here's the thing: A lot of doctors around the country treat people who are directly responsible for their own bad health: High BP, Diabetes, Heart disease, whether it be from excessive eating, drinking, or smoking. Not everyone BUT ALOT. They do that to themselves. They're affecting their own familly.

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Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Not in this economy.

Good luck delivering pizzas and having an extra $200-$300 on the side. Unless you're the owner of the pizza place or single with no kids at 30.

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Word. The tips ain't that great.

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Originally Posted by mingus

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

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Are patients ever turned away on account of them not having insurance?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

what's your life worth jack? how much money is too much?

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Still no answer.

Save your money for your son.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

I don't have much faith in him having faith in other countries to leave us alone if we leave them alone. I just don't buy that.

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We'd still have a beast military, they would just be at home, and ready to fight if we ever were to be attacked.

Btw who would attack us? Iran? With what, rocks?

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Are patients ever turned away on account of them not having insurance?

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Believe it or not my dad who is a doctor treats many patients w/o insurance. But there are some not sure how many who turn them away. As far as hospitals, not sure. I held a clerk job in the rad department and wasn't involved in all that.

The whole question was based on a guy doing well(ie, making money) and deciding NOT to purchase insurance... yet still wants to be treated. The fuck??

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

We'd still have a beast military, they would just be at home, and ready to fight if we ever were to be attacked.

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Depends on your definition of "beast". It should be slightly more than adequate and able.

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

Btw who would attack us? Iran? With what, rocks?

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The man says "rocks" :lmao

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Originally Posted by 4>0rings

The whole question was based on a guy doing well(ie, making money) and deciding NOT to purchase insurance... yet still wants to be treated. The fuck??

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Shhhhh. You're ruining everyone's feign-dom....

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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Exactly. Im all for that. Unfortunately no one in politics wants to touch the obesity epidemic in America.

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Originally Posted by mingus

Believe it or not my dad who is a doctor treats many patients w/o insurance. But there are some not sure how many who turn them away. As far as hospitals, not sure. I held a clerk job in the rad department and wasn't involved in all that.

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I commend your dad :toast Would you have any percentages for anything you commented on.

I just don't see how our medical community will just turn their backs on people with emergencies, illnesses, etc. If we can nurse some lunatic jackass that killed 14 people on a military base back from a coma then I can not believe that our healthcare is all that "broken". I just can't.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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You'd think a man with a "proclaimed" scalpel in hand would've done that in the first place......

"I can not believe that our healthcare is all that "broken". "

It's broken, and broken badly. keeping that shooter alive is a specific, local technical achievement, not a systemic health care measure.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

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Yes, I did watch the debate. Yeah, he does explain himself but the initial reaction to the "should we just let him die" comment was what was strange.

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Originally Posted by mingus

Exactly. Im all for that. Unfortunately no one in politics wants to touch the obesity epidemic in America.

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There is an easy way to kill it; stop letting McDonald's brainwash kids into thinking fries and cokes are fun to ingest and a way to get a free toy.

tbh why wasn't a thread made when the crowd literally cheered the hardest for a mere mention of the death penalty during the Repub debate?

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

You'd think a man with a "proclaimed" scalpel in hand would've done that in the first place......

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Unfortunately, not even a baseline single-payor plan can be discussed without 'socialism' being thrown around.

If you all watched the YouTube clip, he says "NO!"

so Paul and his rabid killer dog fans diverge on this key life-or-death vote?

"let the church's do it" is typical RP fantasy, right up with WC ivory tower ideology.

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Originally Posted by mingus

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

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This. Free healthcare should be given on a case-by-case basis but some should be denied it. For starters, anyone who smokes should be responsible for all of his/her health costs.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

If you all watched the YouTube clip, he says "NO!"

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I don't see the problem with Ron Paul's answer because of the specific question. If someone with a well paying job who can get an insurance plan for 200-300 bucks a month decides not to, he should assume the responsibility.

If the goal was to point out how flawed the free market approach to healthcare is (and I think it is a flawed approach), it was a horrible question.

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Originally Posted by DoK

This. Free healthcare should be given on a case-by-case basis but some should be denied it. For starters, anyone who smokes should be responsible for all of his/her health costs.

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Then so should anyone who has ever had a drink, had a Big Mac, eaten candy, or drank a soda, or eaten red meat, doesn't run 3 miles a day, doesn't zumba once a week, isn't on P90, etc. And anyone who is "healthy" and has a heart attack needs to get their ass to the morgue on their own.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Then so should anyone who has ever had a drink, had a Big Mac, eaten candy, or drank a soda, or eaten red meat, doesn't run 3 miles a day, doesn't zumba once a week, isn't on P90, etc. And anyone who is "healthy" and has a heart attack needs to get their ass to the morgue on their own.

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:lol looks like someone is a smoker who tries to convince himself smoking isn't that bad

Those are fuckin retarded comparisons. Eating unhealthy food is better than eating no food at all. Smoking cigarettes isn't better than smoking nothing at all.

With that said, being overweight is something I'd also consider a self-inflicted health problem. If someone who's a fatshit needs bypass surgery, it shouldn't be the taxpayer's expense. People who should get free healthcare are people who have unavoidable health problems.

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Originally Posted by DoK

:lol looks like someone is a smoker who tries to convince himself smoking isn't that bad

Those are fuckin retarded comparisons. Eating unhealthy food is better than eating no food at all. Smoking cigarettes isn't better than smoking nothing at all.

With that said, being overweight is something I'd also consider a self-inflicted health problem. If someone who's a fatshit needs bypass surgery, it shouldn't be the taxpayer's expense. People who should get free healthcare are people who have unavoidable health problems.

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So how do you prove that their health problems are unavoidable? Even the healthiest of people get diseases or have heart attacks or get clogged arteries. It happens. And not every over weight person dies from self-inflected health problems.

Oh, and our insurance covered by diabeetus which runs in our family and yes, it can be controlled with proper diet and excercise.....and mustard.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

So how do you prove that their health problems are unavoidable? Even the healthiest of people get diseases or have heart attacks or get clogged arteries. It happens. And not every over weight person dies from self-inflected health problems.

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:lol you are clearly self-conscious about your shitty eating habits contributing to your dia beetus

":cryeven healthy people can have beetus:cry"

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Oh, and our insurance covered by diabeetus which runs in our family and yes, it can be controlled with proper diet and excercise.....and mustard.

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type 2 diabetes also runs in my family, guess what that means to a responsible person? I don't drink soda, don't eat any sweets, eat a minimal amount of processed carbs, and my cholesterol level is 130 last I checked. Quit acting like you're the first person who has diabetes that runs in his family and that made diabetes inevitable no matter how healthy you were.

BeetusJoe just mad that people twisted Ron Paul's words and made it seem like he wants Joe to just go die a slow death while all his limbs fall off one by one imho.

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Originally Posted by DoK

type 2 diabetes also runs in my family, guess what that means to a responsible person? I don't drink soda, don't eat any sweets, eat a minimal amount of processed carbs, and my cholesterol level is 130 last I checked. Quit acting like you're the first person who has diabetes that runs in his family and that made diabetes inevitable no matter how healthy you were.

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Oh STFU and go back to eating your damn tofu and stop acting like everyone should eat like you do. This America damnit and I'll eat what I want and when I want and stay the hell out of my life. And yes, diabetes can strike even the healthiest eaters. Kids can get it at a very young age.

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Originally Posted by DoK

type 2 diabetes also runs in my family, guess what that means to a responsible person? I don't drink soda, don't eat any sweets, eat a minimal amount of processed carbs, and my cholesterol level is 130 last I checked. Quit acting like you're the first person who has diabetes that runs in his family and that made diabetes inevitable no matter how healthy you were.

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That's borderline high (if you're talking LDL). I guess you need to be more responsible?

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Originally Posted by Y.H.

BeetusJoe just mad that people twisted Ron Paul's words and made it seem like he wants Joe to just go die a slow death while all his limbs fall off one by one imho.

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:lmao I'm not mad at all TC. I was just pointing out how some tea party peeps cheered when "let him die" was mentioned. That simple.

Have you seen what kind of shit kids eat these days brah? Soda's, cookies, sugary yogurt and cereals for breakfast and usually kool aid and hot dogs for dinner because mom and dad don't have time to cook a proper meal. Diabetes is like 90% dietary you worthless no will power having FUCK.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

That's borderline high (if you're talking LDL). I guess you need to be more responsible?

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:lmao what? That's not high at all (doctor doesn't think so anyway). What is LDL?

Oh and btw..this may be AMERICA but your health is comparable to that of someone living in your home country imho..but you don't want to talk about your childhood.

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Originally Posted by Y.H.

Have you seen what kind of shit kids eat these days brah? Soda's, cookies, sugary yogurt and cereals for breakfast and usually kool aid and hot dogs for dinner because mom and dad don't have time to cook a proper meal. Diabetes is like 90% dietary you worthless no will power having FUCK.

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Oh, STFU and you too can eat your damn tofu and bean sprout sammiches you colon cleansing fucks.

I'm talking total cholesterol level, ElNono.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Oh, STFU and you too can eat your damn tofu and bean sprout sammiches you colon cleansing fucks.

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Oh great, now he's labeling us snobs because we still have all of our toes and appendages :lmao

Sorry joe, i'm drinking a soda right now but at least i keep my body fat under 10%

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Originally Posted by Y.H.

Oh and btw..this may be AMERICA but your health is comparable to that of someone living in your home country imho..but you don't want to talk about your childhood.

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What you want to talk about? I'm not ashamed of anything. America..the land of the FREE!! Can I eat a hamburger with fries? OH YES I CAN!!

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Originally Posted by DoK

:lmao what? That's not high at all (doctor doesn't think so anyway). What is LDL?

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There's two types of cholesterol, LDL (bad) and HDL (good).
Normally, people refer to just LDL since it's the bad one. HDL you want to keep high. LDL you want to keep low.

For LDL:

- Less than 100 mg/dL (2.59 mmol/L) — Optimal
- 100-129 mg/dL (2.59-3.34 mmol/L) — Near optimal, above optimal
- 130-159 mg/dL (3.37-4.12 mmol/L) — Borderline high
- 160-189 mg/dL (4.15-4.90 mmol/L) — High
- Greater than 189 mg/dL (4.90 mmol/L) — Very high

source

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Originally Posted by Y.H.

Oh great, now he's labeling us snobs because we still have all of our toes and appendages :lmao

Sorry joe, i'm drinking a soda right now but at least i keep my body fat under 10%

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Oh, so you labeling us fat slobs is okay? I don't give a fuck about your body fat %. Tell that to someone who watches your figure. Don't do nothing for me.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

There's two types of cholesterol, LDL (bad) and HDL (good).
Normally, people refer to just LDL since it's the bad one. HDL you want to keep high. LDL you want to keep low.

For LDL:

- Less than 100 mg/dL (2.59 mmol/L) — Optimal
- 100-129 mg/dL (2.59-3.34 mmol/L) — Near optimal, above optimal
- 130-159 mg/dL (3.37-4.12 mmol/L) — Borderline high
- 160-189 mg/dL (4.15-4.90 mmol/L) — High
- Greater than 189 mg/dL (4.90 mmol/L) — Very high

source

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I was talking total cholesterol

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Originally Posted by DoK

I'm talking total cholesterol level, ElNono.

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Well, HDL and LDL are measured separately on a lipid panel. Because you want one high and the other low. So on the labs tests you get two values.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, HDL and LDL are measured separately on a lipid panel. Because you want one high and the other low. So on the labs tests you get two values.

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That is a correct statement.

Yeah I'm labeling you a fat slob because someone had to pay for your toe amputation and your beetus meds, you and the rest of America need to stop being so damn pathetic.

You're a christian guy, right Joe? God says to treat your body as your temple.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, HDL and LDL are measured separately on a lipid panel. Because you want one high and the other low. So on the labs tests you get two values.

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I was talking total cholesterol for the 3rd time. Sorry your joke didn't pan out.

But total cholesterol IIRC is the addition of LDL and HDL, so if your total is 130, and taking a 'normal' HDL is 40, that makes LDL 90, which would be optimal. :tu

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Originally Posted by DoK

I was talking total cholesterol for the 3rd time. Sorry your joke didn't pan out.

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Not a joke, tbh.

Let us proceed.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

But total cholesterol IIRC is the addition of LDL and HDL, so if your total is 130, and taking a 'norma' HDL is 40, that makes LDL 90, which would be optimal. :tu

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Now that you mention it, I remember the doctor explaining a "good" "bad" cholesterol to me and how my ratio of one to the other was good. I guess he was talking LDLs and HDLs with my total being 130 and my LDL being below 100.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Oh, STFU and you too can eat your damn tofu and bean sprout sammiches you colon cleansing fucks.

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:lol this post seems angry

No diabetes in my side of the family, and not obese either. But I had to be very watchful of the stuff you buy around these places. It looks like you can't buy anything that doesn't have fructose corn syrup these days.

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Originally Posted by DoK

Now that you mention it, I remember the doctor explaining a "good" "bad" cholesterol to me and how my ratio of one to the other was good. I guess he was talking LDLs and HDLs with my total being 130 and my LDL being below 100.

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You asked what LDL was, that's why I posted all that. You should keep an eye on it if you have a family history.

The problem is that when I buy groceries and try to buy healthy its expensive as fuck. I only buy frozen vegetables now because fresh veggies are too expensive and they go bad too quickly.

Just read the label. I switched from regular coke (syrup) to coke zero (aspartame) and dropped a few pounds just like that. diet coke has syrup too :lol

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You asked what LDL was, that's why I posted all that. You should keep an eye on it if you have a family history.

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I have a family history but it seems like I'm pretty immune to high cholesterol (prolly not the beetus tho). When I was at my FATTEST and weighed 285 with like 2 of my meals every day regularly involving cheese and/or red meat, my total cholesterol was only at 165.

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Originally Posted by DoK

The problem is that when I buy groceries and try to buy healthy its expensive as fuck. I only buy frozen vegetables now because fresh veggies are too expensive and they go bad too quickly.

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A lot of people wouldn't agree with me here, but it's all part of the globalists plan to make us unhealthy as shit. It's way easier and cheaper to eat processed toxic crap than it is to actually eat healthy.

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I have a family history but it seems like I'm pretty immune to high cholesterol (prolly not the beetus tho). When I was at my FATTEST and weighed 285 with like 2 of my meals every day regularly involving cheese and/or red meat, my total cholesterol was only at 165.

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You're young though and age matters. The older your pancreas, the more susceptible to damage.

Joe nobody said you can't eat whatever you want, just saying we don't want to foot the bill when your shitty eating habits land you in the hospital.

How is the Teahadist death-panel cheerleading different from this:

September 13, 2011
Obama Looks for Big Health Cuts, Worrying Democrats
By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — As Congress opens a politically charged exploration of ways to pare the deficit, President Obama is expected to seek hundreds of billions of dollars in savings in Medicare and Medicaid.
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There is an easy way to kill it; stop letting McDonald's brainwash kids into thinking fries and cokes are fun to ingest and a way to get a free toy.

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Or have them not hold the gun to close to their heads or their parents.

tbh, with a lemon being $1.50 and a tomato $2 over here, I can see how eating at McDonals becomes an option if you're broke.

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Yes, I did watch the debate. Yeah, he does explain himself but the initial reaction to the "should we just let him die" comment was what was strange.

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How was it strange? He answered it. How is his explanation ok but his initial reaction isn't. It's not like he backpeddled. Had "think progress" used the whole answer, this wouldn't have been a news "item". Good job, Joe. Yes, the tea party want sick people to die. Yay for the "D".

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

If you all watched the YouTube clip, he says "NO!"

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Don't confuse Joe with what he actually said. He's on a roll.

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so Paul and his rabid killer dog fans diverge on this key life-or-death vote?

"let the church's do it" is typical RP fantasy, right up with WC ivory tower ideology.

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to be fair to the church, they do a lot of work in communities not only in the country but out of it as well. my mom goes out of the country once or twice a year as an NP to help the poor through a church community which organizes them. i went to Ethiopia for a month through a church and stayed in a city that was 80% Muslim, poor as fuck and the community of nuns and priests there got all the medicines and treatment for the physically and mentally ill.

the question of whether the Church, solely, would be able to cover all treatment in the U.S. is probably not even a question. they simply wouldn't be able to cover the cost. but give credit where credit is due. they deserve a lot of credit for their work around in the U.S. and around the world.

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Or have them not hold the gun to close to their heads or their parents.

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if they didn't have guns then...

:lol

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Joe nobody said you can't eat whatever you want, just saying we don't want to foot the bill when your shitty eating habits land you in the hospital.

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I hear ya but there are millions who we foot the bill for who are physically hurt so why should I foot the bill for some dumbass who gets in a car accident, or who has a house fire and gets hurt, or hurts their back and goes on disabilty? There are billions spent on health care that have nothing to do with the patient's eating habits.

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I hear ya but there are millions who we foot the bill for who are physically hurt so why should I foot the bill for some dumbass who gets in a car accident, or who has a house fire and gets hurt, or hurts their back and goes on disabilty? There are billions spent on health care that have nothing to do with the patient's eating habits.

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Because you have greater control over and therefore greater responsibility for the filth you cram down your 'beetus riddled mouth. How are you still not getting this?

How about what NY has done, banning all trans-fat from restaurants?
Thoughts?

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How about what NY has done, banning all trans-fat from restaurants?
Thoughts?

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Good first step tbh.

I'd put a tax on fast food if it wouldn't fuck over poor people. Then again, I wonder if it's cheaper to buy produce/meats at the grocery store?

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Good first step tbh.

I'd put a tax on fast food if it wouldn't fuck over poor people. Then again, I wonder if it's cheaper to buy produce/meats at the grocery store?

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Carbos are cheap, veggies and lean meat expensive...why do you hate the poor? What did they do to you?

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tbh, with a lemon being $1.50 and a tomato $2 over here, I can see how eating at McDonals becomes an option if you're broke.

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Dude. Where the fuck do you live that produce costs that much? Healthy food is not expensive. People by junk food and fast food because they are lazy fucks and don't want to cook.

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Dude. Where the fuck do you live that produce costs that much? Healthy food is not expensive. People by junk food and fast food because they are lazy fucks and don't want to cook.

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New Jersey. And you have to pay a premium for "Jersey Fresh" produce. In other words, tomatoes from Canada are cheaper than locally grown.

I'm not even talking organic here.

Here's a local catalog:
http://foodtown.mywebgrocer.com/Circ...871&uc=51AB135

Another proud event for the Tea Baggers. At least this one didn't involved 2,000 fat people on Rascal Scooters.

Tbh food becoming so expensive IMO is largely because of so many fatasses that consume like $60 worth of food every day.

If you're that poor ur getting food stamps. At least the poor people that I know do. What they do with the food stamps is another story.