The Tea Party and Ron Paul Cheer for the Uninsured to Die

I guess all those people that choose to have cancer, lost their jobs, insurance, and went bankrupt getting treatment only have themselves to blame. Getting cancer was their choice, right?

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Originally Posted by mingus

Here's the thing: A lot of doctors around the country treat people who are directly responsible for their own bad health: High BP, Diabetes, Heart disease, whether it be from excessive eating, drinking, or smoking. Not everyone BUT ALOT. They do that to themselves. They're affecting their own familly.

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Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Not in this economy.

Good luck delivering pizzas and having an extra $200-$300 on the side. Unless you're the owner of the pizza place or single with no kids at 30.

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Word. The tips ain't that great.

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Originally Posted by mingus

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

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Are patients ever turned away on account of them not having insurance?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

So George, did you ever decide if you would go bankrupt to save my life?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

what's your life worth jack? how much money is too much?

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Still no answer.

Save your money for your son.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

I don't have much faith in him having faith in other countries to leave us alone if we leave them alone. I just don't buy that.

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We'd still have a beast military, they would just be at home, and ready to fight if we ever were to be attacked.

Btw who would attack us? Iran? With what, rocks?

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Are patients ever turned away on account of them not having insurance?

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Believe it or not my dad who is a doctor treats many patients w/o insurance. But there are some not sure how many who turn them away. As far as hospitals, not sure. I held a clerk job in the rad department and wasn't involved in all that.

The whole question was based on a guy doing well(ie, making money) and deciding NOT to purchase insurance... yet still wants to be treated. The fuck??

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

We'd still have a beast military, they would just be at home, and ready to fight if we ever were to be attacked.

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Depends on your definition of "beast". It should be slightly more than adequate and able.

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Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky

Btw who would attack us? Iran? With what, rocks?

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The man says "rocks" :lmao

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Originally Posted by 4>0rings

The whole question was based on a guy doing well(ie, making money) and deciding NOT to purchase insurance... yet still wants to be treated. The fuck??

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Shhhhh. You're ruining everyone's feign-dom....

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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Exactly. Im all for that. Unfortunately no one in politics wants to touch the obesity epidemic in America.

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Originally Posted by mingus

Believe it or not my dad who is a doctor treats many patients w/o insurance. But there are some not sure how many who turn them away. As far as hospitals, not sure. I held a clerk job in the rad department and wasn't involved in all that.

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I commend your dad :toast Would you have any percentages for anything you commented on.

I just don't see how our medical community will just turn their backs on people with emergencies, illnesses, etc. If we can nurse some lunatic jackass that killed 14 people on a military base back from a coma then I can not believe that our healthcare is all that "broken". I just can't.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Then have a plan that covers certain things and not other things.

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You'd think a man with a "proclaimed" scalpel in hand would've done that in the first place......

"I can not believe that our healthcare is all that "broken". "

It's broken, and broken badly. keeping that shooter alive is a specific, local technical achievement, not a systemic health care measure.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Joe, did you actually see the debate or do you let articles tell you what you should see?? smh If I remember correctly, he explains himself right where that clip conveniently cuts off. I guess it had 'beetus <shrugs>

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Yes, I did watch the debate. Yeah, he does explain himself but the initial reaction to the "should we just let him die" comment was what was strange.

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Originally Posted by mingus

Exactly. Im all for that. Unfortunately no one in politics wants to touch the obesity epidemic in America.

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There is an easy way to kill it; stop letting McDonald's brainwash kids into thinking fries and cokes are fun to ingest and a way to get a free toy.

tbh why wasn't a thread made when the crowd literally cheered the hardest for a mere mention of the death penalty during the Repub debate?

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

You'd think a man with a "proclaimed" scalpel in hand would've done that in the first place......

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Unfortunately, not even a baseline single-payor plan can be discussed without 'socialism' being thrown around.

If you all watched the YouTube clip, he says "NO!"

so Paul and his rabid killer dog fans diverge on this key life-or-death vote?

"let the church's do it" is typical RP fantasy, right up with WC ivory tower ideology.

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Originally Posted by mingus

I agree with providing healthcare to those with conditions and illness that they cannot help. But I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know that many, many, many people are victims of their own bad habits, bad lifestyles, etc. No accountability.

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This. Free healthcare should be given on a case-by-case basis but some should be denied it. For starters, anyone who smokes should be responsible for all of his/her health costs.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

If you all watched the YouTube clip, he says "NO!"

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I don't see the problem with Ron Paul's answer because of the specific question. If someone with a well paying job who can get an insurance plan for 200-300 bucks a month decides not to, he should assume the responsibility.

If the goal was to point out how flawed the free market approach to healthcare is (and I think it is a flawed approach), it was a horrible question.

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Originally Posted by DoK

This. Free healthcare should be given on a case-by-case basis but some should be denied it. For starters, anyone who smokes should be responsible for all of his/her health costs.

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Then so should anyone who has ever had a drink, had a Big Mac, eaten candy, or drank a soda, or eaten red meat, doesn't run 3 miles a day, doesn't zumba once a week, isn't on P90, etc. And anyone who is "healthy" and has a heart attack needs to get their ass to the morgue on their own.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Then so should anyone who has ever had a drink, had a Big Mac, eaten candy, or drank a soda, or eaten red meat, doesn't run 3 miles a day, doesn't zumba once a week, isn't on P90, etc. And anyone who is "healthy" and has a heart attack needs to get their ass to the morgue on their own.

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:lol looks like someone is a smoker who tries to convince himself smoking isn't that bad

Those are fuckin retarded comparisons. Eating unhealthy food is better than eating no food at all. Smoking cigarettes isn't better than smoking nothing at all.

With that said, being overweight is something I'd also consider a self-inflicted health problem. If someone who's a fatshit needs bypass surgery, it shouldn't be the taxpayer's expense. People who should get free healthcare are people who have unavoidable health problems.

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Originally Posted by DoK

:lol looks like someone is a smoker who tries to convince himself smoking isn't that bad

Those are fuckin retarded comparisons. Eating unhealthy food is better than eating no food at all. Smoking cigarettes isn't better than smoking nothing at all.

With that said, being overweight is something I'd also consider a self-inflicted health problem. If someone who's a fatshit needs bypass surgery, it shouldn't be the taxpayer's expense. People who should get free healthcare are people who have unavoidable health problems.

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So how do you prove that their health problems are unavoidable? Even the healthiest of people get diseases or have heart attacks or get clogged arteries. It happens. And not every over weight person dies from self-inflected health problems.