If you didn't even read the article, how do you know what "prominent politicians" are starting to talk about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
And I was responding to ray, who linked the same article earlier, and made the racial riot claim.
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If you didn't even read the article, how do you know what "prominent politicians" are starting to talk about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
And I was responding to ray, who linked the same article earlier, and made the racial riot claim.
I guess the headline would have to be totally disconnected from the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
But, if it makes you happy, here's the graf:
Seems to me I didn't need to read the article to know what Bloomberg was talking about. Besides, reading the content didn't support the point I was making; it was enough to demonstrate prominent politicians are forwarding the idea. Hell, I didn't even indicate I agreed with Bloomberg.Quote:
"We have a lot of kids graduating college, can't find jobs," Bloomberg said on his weekly WOR radio show.
"That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here."
Unlike you, I did read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
First of all, I like Bloomberg very much (wish he would run for Prez one of these days), but there's a big disconnect on college students from the US to those in Spain or Egypt. The biggest disconnect would be that higher education in those countries is mostly free (government funded).Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
US college students are nothing like those guys.
Second of all, when you make the claim that "prominent politicians" (plural) are talking about this, I expect you to list more than one.
And? Did you arrive the same conclusion he was predicting riots?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Nice accolades, did he predict riots?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Okay. I'm sorry I didn't live up to your expectations. Nah, I'm not sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
No, he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
:lol talking out of your ass againQuote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
:lol running away when called out on it
So, let me get this straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
This statement...
When followed up with this statement...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayor Bloomberg
...isn't a prediction of riots if 'we have a lot of kids graduating college, can't find jobs?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayor Bloomberg
Okay. I think it's reasonable to say Bloomberg was predicting riots if things don't change. You're free to disagree.
I think Bloomberg doesn't want those kind of riots here. I thought he was pretty clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
So, he believes we could have them if kids graduate from college without finding jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Are kids graduating from college and not finding jobs?
You're saying it's not reasonable to conclude Mayor Bloomberg was drawing a comparison between the current situation in the U.S. and Egypt and Spain and suggesting we could have similar riots for the same reason they occurred in those countries?
I think he was saying that. We disagree.
You should ask him those questions. I'm not Bloomberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
What he said though is that we wouldn't want those riots here.
I frankly don't think you'll see them here (and I'm predicting here), because the situations are completely different. But that's what I think anyways.
So, we disagree on what Bloomberg said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The writer of the headline and I believe it is reasonable to conclude Mayor Bloomberg was predicting riots if the prospects of our college graduates remain comparable to those of Egypt and Spain (who experienced riots, in large part, due to this circumstance -- according to Mayor Bloomberg).
You believe it is reasonable to conclude what, Mayor Bloomberg's two statements were what? Unrelated? Why would he make the comparison and then raise the specter of riots?
In the end, you don't know and suggested I ask Mayor Bloomberg what he meant. Obviously, I don't have that luxury but, the reporter did ask and I think he reasonably concluded that is exactly what Mayor Bloomberg was suggesting.
After all, the reporter also has the benefit of witnessing the nuances of Mayor Bloomberg's statements including tone and body language, etc... If he believes Mayor Bloomberg was predicting riots, I think it's reasonable -- based on the statements published -- to agree.
Only Mayor Bloomberg could clear this up. Give him a call, would you?
I think we both agree he didn't make any prediction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
The headline per se is really irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
It's not like this story wasn't published in other media outlets with different headlines.
Mayor Bloomberg Warns of Street Rioting if U.S. Fails to Create Jobs
Mike Bloomberg Thinks New Yorkers Might Riot Over Lack of Jobs
You're the one with questions for the Mayor. You should definitely give him a call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Actually, I'm comfortable with the reasonableness of believing he was predicting (warning in another headline) or (suggesting the possibility ["might"] in another) there would be rioting, akin to Spain and Egypt, because our college graduates are similarly situated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
You're the one not satisfied.
So, in your opinion, is the Mayor predicting, warning or suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I'm certainly satisfied. I already stated what my opinion is on the issue.
Yes. I think I said that. And, in this context, there's not much difference between the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
According to the quotes, as presented, Mayor Bloomberg appears to believe there will be rioting if the similarly situated graduates aren't assuaged where those in Spain and Egypt were not.
Semantic games don't change that reasonable conclusion.
Happy for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yes he is predicting, yes he is warning or yes he's suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
And sure there's a difference between the three in this or any context.
According to the quotes, as presented, Mayor Bloomberg wouldn't want those riots here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
The rest is part of your imagination.
What semantic games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Nah, not in this context. I believe the Mayor believes these graduates will riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I don't want them either but, that doesn't mean they're not going to happen if the graduates aren't dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yah, in any context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
And that's not what the Mayor said, regardless of what you believe.
That's what you think, which is fine, even if the Mayor and I don't agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I thought you said you didn't know what the Mayor thought.
Anyway, we disagree. I think it is reasonable to characterize the Mayor's statements as a prediction, or a warning, or a supposition based on his words. Is it worth another several pages of this back and forth to arrive at that same conclusion?
My formula says Obama is a lock to.....no matter the GOP nominee..
History says, if the unemployment rate remains above 7.2%, he loses to any opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
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WASHINGTON — No American president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt has won a second term in office when the unemployment rate on Election Day topped 7.2 percent.
I did?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
Problem is, in poll after poll, people still blame Bush rather than Obama for the state of the economy....now the GOP wants to shove Bush Jr Jr down voters collective throats? Ain't gonna happen no matter the unemployment rate..
Keep telling yourself that. We don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
That's right.....run from the truth....I just deliver it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
More truth..
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... Obama beats all four of the GOP contenders that PPP included in its survey, but Romney holds him to the smallest lead; the former Massachusetts governor is also the only candidate to keep Obama from getting less than 50-percent support. Obama beats Bachmann by a 53–39 margin, and Rick Perry by only slightly less — 52 percent to 41 percent. Newt Gingrich performs similarly, losing to the president 41–53 ...
While manufacturing hate for Obama among other wing-nuts, the GOP forgot to get a viable candidate