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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
vy65
How would an individual get $15,500 worth of deductions?
Have you ever filed a tax return?
Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.
Pretty easy, actually.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Have you ever filed a tax return?
Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.
Pretty easy, actually.
I haven't. But I do know that not many people who file singly can claim all those deductions together.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
If they had NO DEDUCTIONS they would still only pay the 25% rate on $15,000 which makes it what...$3750?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
Was anyone actually buying that bullshit about millionaires paying less taxes than secretaries?
Even the capital gains rate is probably more than the rate your typical secretary would have to pay.
You didn't read anything, did you?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
If they had NO DEDUCTIONS they would still only pay the 25% rate on $15,000 which makes it what...$3750?
Wait, isn't it 25% on anywhere between $34,500 – $83,600?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Wait, isn't it 25% on anywhere between $34,500 – $83,600?
We're assuming someone with a 50k salary. 50-35 = 15.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Have you ever filed a tax return?
Individual itemized deduction, dependent deductions, mortgage interest deductions, child care credits etc.
Pretty easy, actually.
Shit, if you rent your office space at $1K/mo, that's $12K in deductions right there.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
vy65
We're assuming someone with a 50k salary. 50-35 = 15.
Why are you subtracting 35?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
I don't think Cosmic is right that they get taxed only on what they made over 35.
Well, what I mean is, the below 35 also gets taxed, IIRC, at a lower rate.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
0-8.5k = 10%
8.5k - 34.5k = 15%
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
Now, if you made your money from dividends, then brackets don't matter. You pay 15% over it, whatever the amount.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
So, a person grossing 50K would pay:
10% on the first 8.5K = $850
15% on the 8.5K-34.5K (26K) = $3900
25% on the remaining $15.5K = $3875
Total tax: $8625 which is a little over 17% nominal
That's with no deductions, obviously. I don't think you get to write off deductions from dividends though.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
So, a person grossing 50K would pay:
10% on the first 8.5K = $850
15% on the 8.5K-34.5K (26K) = $3900
25% on the remaining $15.5K = $3875
Total tax: $8625 which is a little over 17% nominal
That's with no deductions, obviously. I don't think you get to write off deductions from dividends though.
But you can offset your losses against your gains, right?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
A person grossing 100K:
( $ 8,025 minus 0 ) x .10 : 802.50
( 32,550 minus 8,025 ) x .15 : 3,678.75
( 65,725 minus 32,550 ) x .25 : 8,293.75
( 100,000 minus 65,725 ) x .28 : 9,597.00
Total: $ 22,372.00
The actual tax rate is about 22.37%
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
vy65
But you can offset your losses against your gains, right?
Yes. Also, if your ordinary income tax bracket is either 10% or 15%, then your capital gains tax rate is 0%. Anything higher it's 15%. Meaning, that if you made ALL your income from capital gains, then your tax rate is effectively zero.
Neat uh?
More details here
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Yes. Also, if your ordinary income tax bracket is either 10% or 15%, then your capital gains tax rate is 0%. Anything higher it's 15%. Meaning, that if you made ALL your income from capital gains, then your tax rate is effectively zero.
Neat uh?
More details
here
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Your tax advice is pure bullshit.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
A usually dependable lackey for the Obama administration, the Associated Press fact-checked his speech and came up with some interesting facts.
Of course, these are facts the Right has been holding out all along but, it's heartening to see the Left media is finally fed up with Obama.
FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
Key grafs:
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The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
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There may be individual millionaires who pay taxes at rates lower than middle-income workers. In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. But that's less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.
This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.
And, finally...
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The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year.
When are they going to pay their fair share?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Your tax advice is pure bullshit.
How so?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
A usually dependable lackey for the Obama administration, the Associated Press fact-checked his speech and came up with some interesting facts.
You didn't read this thread, did you, yoni?
What do you think we're discussing?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Your tax advice is pure bullshit.
Pretty sure your example of capital gains on a primary home sale was completely wrong so becareful about tossing around those stones.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
You didn't read this thread, did you, yoni?
What do you think we're discussing?
Nope, didn't read it. Plus, it seemed to be off the rails anyway.
Let's get back to the elephant in the room. As Barack Obama said, back in 2009, raising taxes during a recession is stupid. Did we suddenly find ourselves in a better economic position than when he said that?
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
Married couples get a 500,000 deduction on capital gains from a primary home sale and individuals get 250,000 assuming they've lived in it 2 years or have a qualifying exception.
http://taxes.about.com/od/taxplannin...e_sale_tax.htm
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
Nope, didn't read it.
It shows. You just re-posted the same article that's on the OP.
Catch up.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
It shows. You just re-posted the same article that's on the OP.
It didn't appear y'all were talking about the article any longer.
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Catch up.
I'm up. The AP took Obama to the woodshed. The liberals are going to take him down themselves. It's a beautiful thing.
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Re: FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
It didn't appear y'all were talking about the article any longer.
Actually, we were. You just didn't read.