Funny how real important...

...issues get shoved aside so we can argue about non-torture and gay rights.

DEBUNKING THE "PALESTINIAN" LIE

From the producer of the video:

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has launched an international campaign to achieve recognition by the United Nations for an independent Palestinian state. Abbas and his international supporters claim that only Israel (with the United States) stands in the way of this act of historical justice, which would finally bring about peace in the Middle East.

This video debunks the Palestinians’ claim and shows that Abbas has been lying about the origins and history of the conflict. Palestinian leaders have rejected partition plans that would have given them much more land for their independent state than the Jews were offered for theirs. Rather than being the innocent victims of a “dispossession” at the hands of the Israelis, the Palestinians rejected reasonable compromises and instead pursued their aim of getting rid of the only Jewish state in the world.

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Palestine/Israel is an important issue?

"Non-torture" and gay rights aren't "real" important issues? :downspin:

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Palestine/Israel is an important issue?

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yes.

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"Non-torture" and gay rights aren't "real" important issues? :downspin:

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Not when compared to the extermination of an entire country.

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yes.

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How is it important to America?

check-box Yoni checking in with his pro-Israel/anti-Muslim stance, fully financed by AIPAC having Congress by its short and curlies, lining up with stupid extremist Jimmy Ricky, End Times Hagee, etc.

"Why Do They Hate USA?"

US's anti-Palestinian/pro-genocide stance,

100s of 1000s of Iraqis killed by US/UN sanctions,

CIA overthrowing Iranian democratically elected President,

invading/destroying/occupying Arab countries,

etc, etc.

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Not when compared to the extermination of an entire country.

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No they'd still be "real" important issues.

What entire country is being exterminated btw? The one from your youtube link? :downspin:

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No they'd still be "real" important issues.

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For you. So, fine, continue talking about them.

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What entire country is being exterminated btw? The one from your youtube link? :downspin:

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Israel; for the past 90 years has been targeted for extermination by Arabs.

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For you. So, fine, continue talking about them.

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Nah they're "real" important issues for everyone. Hell you even considered them to be "real" important issues but not in comparison to a country's extermination apparently.

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Israel; for the past 90 years has been targeted for extermination by Arabs.

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90 years and Israel is still around. Some extermination! :toast

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Nah they're "real" important issues for everyone. Hell you even considered them to be "real" important issues but not in comparison to a country's extermination apparently.

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Correct.

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90 years and Israel is still around. Some extermination! :toast

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Not for lack of trying. But for a strong ally in the U.S. and a strong national defense, I fear they would already be gone.

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Not when compared to the extermination of an entire country.

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Then stop bitching about gay rights.

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Then stop bitching about gay rights.

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I don't stop talking about other issues just to focus on one.

That's like telling you to start bitching about Jihad.

Do what you like.

Anybody stopping you from talking about any "real important" issue, yoni?

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Correct.


Not for lack of trying. But for a strong ally in the U.S. and a strong national defense, I fear they would already be gone.

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But they are and they do and they aren't.

Besides, if they weren't, the we wouldn't have to give a shit.

Israel didn't exist in 1922.

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...issues get shoved aside so we can argue about non-torture and gay rights.

DEBUNKING THE "PALESTINIAN" LIE

From the producer of the video:

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Let's change the subject to this, because I realize on some level that I am getting my ass handed to me on other topics.

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You go with your bad self.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121430

Why is this our problem?

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Palestine/Israel is an important issue?

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This, I'm so sick of two countries or whatever with the capacity to figure this shit out on their own dragging us in.

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http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121430

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:lol

THANK YOU, BARACK OBAMA!!!!!

“Ultimately, it is Israelis and Palestinians – not us – who must reach agreement.”

Couldn't give two shits about Palestine or Israel.

but LOL at the great communicator, aka the great peace maker, aka the messiah who would bring the nations together...

Result:
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/rJq...706700d1a7.jpg

True, you only give a shit about partisan cheerleading.

Whats funny is how things actually improve in the region when the invaders GTFO. Talk about that, IMO.

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:rollin

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Whats funny is how things actually improve in the region when the invaders GTFO. Talk about that, IMO.

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Is that the "white guilt" you spoke of before?


Also, does your statement apply to the US as well? Did our "things" "improve"?

The producer makes a ton of presumptions as facts. An example, Palestine was not VASTLY underpopulated. It seemed that way to foreigners but that's because the society was mobile, almost nomadic. They survived by moving from one piece of land to another since a single piece of land is not viable enough to live on.

This guy is an idiot. No shit Palestine wasn't recognized by the Turks because it didn't exist then. It was f'ing Syria.

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This guy is an idiot. No shit Palestine wasn't recognized by the Turks because it didn't exist then. It was f'ing Syria.

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The man wrote this on a CG whiteboard and posted it on Youtube. That's all the credibility I need to buy every word.

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Israel didn't exist in 1922.

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Funny. Neither did Palestine.

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This guy is an idiot. No shit Palestine wasn't recognized by the Turks because it didn't exist then. It was f'ing Syria.

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Bingo.

LMAO this guy is just terrible. He can't wait to mention whenever an Arab says "rivers of blood" but didn't once mention any of the Israeli invasions. It's not even worth the time I'm taking to type this sentence out.

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Is that the "white guilt" you spoke of before?


Also, does your statement apply to the US as well? Did our "things" "improve"?

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What? You're making absolutely no sense. I know what you're referencing regarding my comments and the guilt but what on earth does that have to do with Israel deciding to pull out of the territories it was occupying and why would that action do anything to improve anything in the United States?

as a jew i really hate whenever this is shit is brought up. U.S. has to focus on fixing its own problems and letting Israel fund it's own military for now. we are, have been, and will be, in too much shit ourselves to really be helping anyone on that kind of scale.

To save yourself from looking like an ass from anyone who knows even the tiniest bit about middle eastern history.

Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Israel/Palestine was once a single people. The people wre divided between the French (Lebanon and Syria) and the British (Israel/Palestine and Jordan). Before then there was absolutely no distinction between the 4 countries. After this division there was a change in school of thought. When the empires left Palestine/ Jordan was just Syria with British influence. When Jordan split Palestine was a country with no national identity except they were unique in that the land they worked was being taken/given to immigrants. These immigrants were not friendly in the sense that when they took the land, they wouldn't let Arabs work it. They instead were willing to pay more money to import more immigrants in order to have more influence in the country. The Palestinians developed their personality as being in opposition to those immigrants. They are unique in the world in that they are the only people whose sole identity is one which is in opposition to another.

So the next some idiot thinks he's being clever with a whiteboard you can have your BS detector up and not embarrass yourself.

how we as a country treat our own citizens and our prisoners is a fundamental issue that pre-existed our willingness to take it up the butt for Israel.

This is an issue??? If so, it shouldn't be.

I say Israel made a mistake of returning the land they won in battle. They should have kept it all.

Obama's Speech to the UN General Assembly, As Prepared

Does the man even pay attention to the words the teleprompter loads into his mouth?

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So it has been a remarkable year. The Qadhafi regime is over [through violent means -Y.]. Gbagbo, Ben Ali, and Mubarak are no longer in power[through violent means -Y.]. Osama bin Laden is gone[through violent means -Y.], and the idea that change could only come through violence has been buried with him.

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WTF?

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I say Israel made a mistake of returning the land they won in battle. They should have kept it all.

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I say, if the world keeps fucking around, Israel should flatten a 100 mile fire break around their country and meet any violence from Gaza, The West Bank, or anywhere else with overwhelming, disproportionate, and sustained violence.

It's pretty obvious most of the UN would like to empower the so-called "Palestinians" and their Arab benefactors to just wipe Israel off the map. If it gets much more lop-sided, Israel should just start swinging.

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I say, if the world keeps fucking around, Israel should flatten a 100 mile fire break around their country and meet any violence from Gaza, The West Bank, or anywhere else with overwhelming, disproportionate, and sustained violence.

It's pretty obvious most of the UN would like to empower the so-called "Palestinians" and their Arab benefactors to just wipe Israel off the map. If it gets much more lop-sided, Israel should just start swinging.

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Yes, if the leaders of their immediate borders cannot keep their populous from attacking Israel, I agree.

Not 100 miles, but at least a clear path so they can see any terrorist activity against them.

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Yes, if the leaders of their immediate borders cannot keep their populous from attacking Israel, I agree.

Not 100 miles, but at least a clear path so they can see any terrorist activity against them.

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I think the defeat of Israel's enemies needs to be as decisive as they have been in past conflicts. The only difference; when the U.N. asks them to negotiate with Arabs again, as when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt, and Gaza and the West Bank back to the Arabs Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria ejected from their countries, Israel should tell 'em to fuck off.

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I think the defeat of Israel's enemies needs to be as decisive as they have been in past conflicts. The only difference; when the U.N. asks them to negotiate with Arabs again, as when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt, and Gaza and the West Bank back to the Arabs Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria ejected from their countries, Israel should tell 'em to fuck off.

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I think Israel should make it clear that if these nations do not stop attacks from their lands, that Israel should just move in to where the attack came from and take it over, and keep it, until these other nation understand.

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I think Israel should make it clear that if these nations do not stop attacks from their lands, that Israel should just move in to where the attack came from and take it over, and keep it, until these other nation understand.

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I've lost faith the other nations will ever understand. They sponsor the attacks from Gaza and they don't care what happens to the people there.

Israel needs to engage in a dedicated campaign to flatten Damascus and Tehran until they cry uncle.

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I've lost faith the other nations will ever understand. They sponsor the attacks from Gaza and they don't care what happens to the people there.

Israel needs to engage in a dedicated campaign to flatten Damascus and Tehran until they cry uncle.

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Maybe you are right, but I think Israel should show in a less severity that they will not tolerate it any more. If the attacks continue, then I am with you.

If/when Assad falls in Syria, it should be boon for Lebanon to be liberated from under Syria's foot, and therefore a boon to Israel in less attacks from Lebanon and Gaza. otoh, Turkey and esp Egypt seem to less friendly.

If Lebanon, post-Assad, invited US/NATO to help kick out any remaining Syrian elements, I say go in.

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Not when compared to the extermination of an entire country.

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So...since when has this country cared about the extermination of entire country?

I'm just wondering

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Maybe you are right, but I think Israel should show in a less severity that they will not tolerate it any more. If the attacks continue, then I am with you.

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Oh, there's going to be more attacks.

Senior Palestinian official: UN bid is only alternative to violence

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I say, if the world keeps fucking around, Israel should flatten a 100 mile fire break around their country and meet any violence from Gaza, The West Bank, or anywhere else with overwhelming, disproportionate, and sustained violence.

It's pretty obvious most of the UN would like to empower the so-called "Palestinians" and their Arab benefactors to just wipe Israel off the map. If it gets much more lop-sided, Israel should just start swinging.

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If Israel does that, fine, I won't care either way, but I just don't think it's something the US should be wasting time or money on.

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If Israel does that, fine, I won't care either way, but I just don't think it's something the US should be wasting time or money on.

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Okay. I think that's a short-sided view of geopolitical affairs but, it's your view.

Israel has already taken out Syrian and Iranian nuclear capabilities once. And, if you think the Assad and the Ayatollah would only have used them on Israel; look at the terrorist groups they sponsor.

Israel is an outpost at the gates of Hell. They need all the support they can get.

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Okay. I think that's a short-sided view of geopolitical affairs but, it's your view.

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LMAO

Coming from the people who think Israel should just regulate on it's neighbors... Un fucking believable.

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Okay. I think that's a short-sided view of geopolitical affairs but, it's your view.

Israel has already taken out Syrian and Iranian nuclear capabilities once. And, if you think the Assad and the Ayatollah would only have used them on Israel; look at the terrorist groups they sponsor.

Israel is an outpost at the gates of Hell. They need all the support they can get.

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Israel has military capabilities that are unreal given how little people live in Israel. They could turn the middle east into a parking lot if they wanted to, they don't need our help. They didn't need our help in the 6 day war when they skull fucked 3 countries at once. All we do by supporting Israel is waste money and give terrorists another reason to hate us.

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Israel has military capabilities that are unreal given how little people live in Israel.

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Given how often they've been attacked, they need them.

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They could turn the middle east into a parking lot if they wanted to, they don't need our help.

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They may have to; and, since we have a vital interest in the region and Israel remaining a viable nation, I'd say our alliance and the attendant commitments are warranted.

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They didn't need our help in the 6 day war when they skull fucked 3 countries at once.

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I don't think they manufactured the arms or created the supply lines that enabled them to "skull fuck" 3 countries at once.

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All we do by supporting Israel is waste money and give terrorists another reason to hate us.

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Again, we have a national interest in the region and given the plethora of excuses those who hate us use for their various acts of barbarity, one reason is as good as another with them.

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LMAO

Coming from the people who think Israel should just regulate on it's neighbors... Un fucking believable.

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If the attacks don't stop, what do you see as their options?

Their arms were bought from France at the time. The 6 day war was before America had any involvement with Israel. A country full of smart ass Jews can barter and get weapons without our help.

Why do we have such a vital interest in the middle east? We have enough problems in our country. We shouldn't be worrying about the middle east.

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Why do we have such a vital interest in the middle east? We have enough problems in our country. We shouldn't be worrying about the middle east.

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This.

Plus I don't see the attacks stopping regardless, short of leveling the entire ME. Which really isn't an option unless you're dumb, yoni or WC.

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If the attacks don't stop, what do you see as their options?

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If the attacks don't stop after regulating them, what do you see as their options?

The Jews and the Muslims have had fights going back for thousands years. There's no magical way that region will find peace. As long as Israel is surrounded by predominantly Islamic countries with Islamic Extremism having a presence in all of them, there will be violence.

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If the attacks don't stop after regulating them, what do you see as their options?

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Take out the sponsor's. Hamas, Syria, and Iran.

Seriously, this death by a thousand cuts has gone on long enough. I sense a reckoning on the horizon.

I heard a pretty succinct description of the problem today:

Paraphrasing: "If 'Palestinians' laid down their arms today and swore off violence, there'd be peace tomorrow. If Israel laid down their arms today and swore off violence, there'd be genocide tomorrow."

I don't think they've face a more dangerous time in their history.

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Take out the sponsor's. Hamas, Syria, and Iran.

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And the violence doesn't stop, then what?

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The Jews and the Muslims have had fights going back for thousands years. There's no magical way that region will find peace. As long as Israel is surrounded by predominantly Islamic countries with Islamic Extremism having a presence in all of them, there will be violence.

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You mean this isn't as simple as just come out with guns blazing? Who would've thought? :lol

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And the violence doesn't stop, then what?

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Escalate until it does.

I believe Israel faces an existential threat. I wouldn't blame them for scorching the Earth to insure survival.

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Escalate until it does.

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How many civilians should die due to this "escalation"?
I mean, the terrerists won't show up and fight.

Even if the ratio between civilians and terrerists is 2:1, that's an awful lot of civilians.

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I believe Israel faces an existential threat. I wouldn't blame them for scorching the Earth to insure survival.

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You wouldn't, but the rest of the world would.

The Israelies are a lot smarter than what you give them credit for.

So, how much longer should Israel tolerate the persistent, constant threats of annihilation?

The constant, persistent lobbing of rockets into their cities?

The suicide bombers?

Backpack bombs thrown onto buses and into market places?

Just curious.

Because, I think the Israelis are reaching a breaking point.

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So, how much longer should Israel tolerate the persistent, constant threats of annihilation?

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I would suspect Israel knows the answer to that question and acts accordingly. It's not like this is something new to them.

What makes you think you know better than them?

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Because, I think the Israelis are reaching a breaking point.

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Based on what?

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I would suspect Israel knows the answer to that question and acts accordingly. It's not like this is something new to them.

What makes you think you know better than them?

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But, I asked you for the answer to that.

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Based on what?

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My gut.

The PA has told the world, give us statehood or we'll start killing Jews. As if they would do otherwise, even if they did achieve statehood.

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But, I asked you for the answer to that.

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My answer is that Israel knows what it's doing.

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My gut.

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Then there's nothing to worry about.

A comedian I really enjoy, Anthony Jeselnik, told a story about a show he did in Great Barrington, MA. Anthony tells a joke about suicide, only to be met by a dead silence in the crowd before a gentleman stands up and says "Great Barrington is the suicide capital of the country, that's not funny."

Anthony ponders for a moment on how to react and realizes he has 3 options.

1) Apologize and say he had no clue, otherwise he would have never told that joke. Not really his style, Athony decides.
2) Point out the obvious. Everyone in Great Barrington, MA should move.

Eventually Anthony decided to go with option number 3, so he looked out upon the crowd and said... Fuck Great Barrington, MA - the best thing about it is that the suicide rate is a lot lower than it should be.

Never thought that story had ties to Israel/Palestine until now.

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The PA has told the world, give us statehood or we'll start killing Jews.

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Remember when Zionists killed westerners in order to achieve statehood?

You probably don't, but it looks like it worked.

Yoni is like a bunch of other Americans who want to believe they are living in the end times.

lol reckoning

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A comedian I really enjoy, Anthony Jeselnik, told a story about a show he did in Great Barrington, MA. Anthony tells a joke about suicide, only to be met by a dead silence in the crowd before a gentleman stands up and says "Great Barrington is the suicide capital of the country, that's not funny."

Anthony ponders for a moment on how to react and realizes he has 3 options.

1) Apologize and say he had no clue, otherwise he would have never told that joke. Not really his style, Athony decides.
2) Point out the obvious. Everyone in Great Barrington, MA should move.

Eventually Anthony decided to go with option number 3, so he looked out upon the crowd and said... Fuck Great Barrington, MA - the best thing about it is that the suicide rate is a lot lower than it should be.

Never thought that story had ties to Israel/Palestine until now.

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Reminds me of a joke...

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An infinite number of mathematicians walk into a bar. The first one tells the bartender he wants a beer. The second one says he wants half a beer. The third one says he wants a fourth of a beer. The bartender puts two beers on the bar and says, “You guys need to learn your limits.”

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If the attacks don't stop, what do you see as their options?

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All of their options are bad but the absolute dumbest would be to go Rambo on the ME.

Assume for a second that they did and kicked everyone's ass, do you honestly believe that the violence would stop or even lessen?

If your country was invaded by anyone for any reason, would you not fight back?

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Israel didn't exist in 1922.

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You're right but, the first Jihad against the Jews was launched in April 1920.

Religion makes people dumb and violently oppositional to other worldviews, any religion, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu.

There will never be security and peace for Israel.

Pretty much sums it up...

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The man wrote this on a CG whiteboard and posted it on Youtube. That's all the credibility I need to buy every word.

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What did he get wrong?

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You're right but, the first Jihad against the Jews was launched in April 1920.

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In what year did Zionist terror groups start killing innocent people in order to get themselves a nation? It's weird seeing those words used together, but it's the only fair way to describe them and their actions at the time.

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What did he get wrong?

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lmao

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lmao

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Ever point raised in the clever, white board YouTube video can be supported by the historical record.

Pick one. Let's see, shall we?

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Ever point raised in the clever, white board YouTube video can be supported by the historical record.

Pick one. Let's see, shall we?

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Already have.

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The producer makes a ton of presumptions as facts. An example, Palestine was not VASTLY underpopulated. It seemed that way to foreigners but that's because the society was mobile, almost nomadic. They survived by moving from one piece of land to another since a single piece of land is not viable enough to live on.

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This guy is an idiot. No shit Palestine wasn't recognized by the Turks because it didn't exist then. It was f'ing Syria.

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The guy is an idiot, and you more so for trying to back him up. He's a biased as they come and doesn't even begin to try to tell an accurate story.

Technically he didn't lie that the Turks didn't recognize Palestine but that's like saying Carthage hated America because it never recognized us as a country.

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Remember when Zionists killed westerners in order to achieve statehood?

You probably don't, but it looks like it worked.

Yoni is like a bunch of other Americans who want to believe they are living in the end times.

lol reckoning

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Already have.

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No, you haven't.

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The producer makes a ton of presumptions as facts. An example, Palestine was not VASTLY underpopulated. It seemed that way to foreigners but that's because the society was mobile, almost nomadic. They survived by moving from one piece of land to another since a single piece of land is not viable enough to live on.

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No, it was that way because there were less than a million people (10% of whom were Jewish) on a piece of land roughly three times the current size of the current State of Israel. There are now over a million people living in Gaza alone.

Whether or not it was "underpopulated" is a characterization having little bearing on the topic of the video which is whether or not the "Palestinians" have been a barbaric group of terrorists since roughly 1920. They have.

So, you've chosen to challenge the characterization it was "underpopulated" because...why? It's not relevant. Even if the land was "overpopulated" or populated "just right," doesn't change the fact the former part of the Ottoman Empire, now under control of the League of Nations, was a vast piece of land with about a million people running around.

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This guy is an idiot. No shit Palestine wasn't recognized by the Turks because it didn't exist then. It was f'ing Syria.

The guy is an idiot, and you more so for trying to back him up. He's a biased as they come and doesn't even begin to try to tell an accurate story.

Technically he didn't lie that the Turks didn't recognize Palestine but that's like saying Carthage hated America because it never recognized us as a country.

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What he said is the Turks didn't recognize the Palestinians as having any national identity. They were actually under Turkish (Ottoman) rule for more than 500 years before being subject to the League of Nations which basically tended the property until the UN created Israel and tried to create Palestine. I've always wondered why no one bitches about Jordan, which took over half the land to create their country, as being "occupiers." After all, they kicked the nomadic "Palestinians" across the Jordan.

It wasn't "f'ing Syria" and hadn't been for over 500 years. Also, It was "f'ing Syria" for less time than it was a lot of other countries. And, it was a part of the Ottoman Empire for a damn long time. But, if you want to go back over 500 years, why not go back a few thousand? I has been a part of Egypt and the Roman Empire for a lot longer than it was Syrian. It was also the independent countries of Caanan and Israel for longer than that.

Because they used to be under Ottoman rule and then British rule, they didn't have a nationality.

The U.N. gave them one. They chose to reject that and start killing Jews.

You're the idiot.