The Invisible GOP issue

Solidly red states are among the poorest in the country, so it's an important issue in the GOP debates, right? right?

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CNN) -- When the U.S. Census Bureau reported last week that a record number of people were living in poverty, Republicans were quick to attach the figures to President Barack Obama, desperately trying to lay them at his feet.

But anyone with common sense knows that someone doesn't just fall into poverty overnight. The deplorable economic conditions that led to today's poverty numbers began in 2007. Republicans often ignore such facts.

Yet when you start digging deeper into the Census Bureau report, what stands out is that of the 10 poorest states in the country, most are the reddest in the nation -- solidly GOP states.

The most impoverished state is Mississippi, and it's followed by Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama and North Carolina

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Funny how just the right amount of religion, guns, and fear will make the red-staters vote against their own best interests...

That's what religion has always been about, dan. No surprise there.

Isn't 2007 when Nancy became Speaker?

Gotta add reliably red TX, with 25%+ of the people making at/less minimum wages, and at near the bottom in

1) doctors per 100K people

2) education $$ per K12 pupil

3) %age of population with no health insurance

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Isn't 2007 when Nancy became Speaker?

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The housing bubble began to pop in CA and FL in 2006, the economists' recession started in 2007. Pelosi and Dems had nothing to do with either one. The economy collapsed after 6 years of Repug mismanagement and enabling.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Isn't 2007 when Nancy became Speaker?

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Come on WC. You can do better than that.

"You can do better than that."

ya think?

is really pure WC crap.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Solidly red states are among the poorest in the country, so it's an important issue in the GOP debates, right? right?

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CNN

Funny how just the right amount of religion, guns, and fear will make the red-staters vote against their own best interests...

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Dan, this has always been one of the most phenomenal things to me...voters in these states consistently vote against their economic self-interest...and they do in order to remain 'pure' in their social conservatism.

At least wealthy republicans voting against tax hikes vote their pocketbooks.

But look at Texas...most hispanics vote Republican...they must or Republicans wouldn't continue to dominate the state... and it is clearly only the 'social values' appeal that has them voting that way.

It never ceases to amaze me.

I had a conversation about this with my late brother during the 2008 presidential campaign, wherein he stated that all but one of his Alabama children were planning to vote Republican, strictly on the race issue. Every single one of them would benefit from the Health care reform bill, but every last one of them voted for McCain/Perry. My brother was as flabbergasted as I was.

"most hispanics vote Republican"

link?

"Christians" haters will vote anti-gay and anti-abortion every time, no matter how many $Ts the Repugs cost them, no matter how many of their poor, rural, high-school bubbas get killed or maimed in bogus, botched Repug wars, no matter how many of them get raped out of their properties by predatory lenders enabled and protected by Repugs.

Christ better take care of them, cause Repugs never will.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

The housing bubble began to pop in CA and FL in 2006, the economists' recession started in 2007. Pelosi and Dems had nothing to do with either one. The economy collapsed after 6 years of Repug mismanagement and enabling.

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I disagree on both accounts. Republicans wanted to fix the problems with the housing loan situations back in 2003, but were blocked by democrats. As for the economy, the scare of liberal talk in power is all it takes. Look at all the ways they said they were going to fuck with the rich, corporations, and small business. They scared everyone into the economy we now have.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

Come on WC. You can do better than that.

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Don't need to if one understands the ramifications of the House speaker talking about how she will pick clean the pockets of those with money.

"Republicans wanted to fix the problems with the housing loan situations back in 2003"

link?

"They scared everyone into the economy we now have."

total bullshit, as usual.

The Banksters Great Depression was caused by and preceded by the commodities and housing bubbles, magnified 100x by the CDS/MBS frauds, all created by and profited from by the Banksters, not by anybody being scared of Dems.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I disagree on both accounts. Republicans wanted to fix the problems with the housing loan situations back in 2003, but were blocked by democrats. As for the economy, the scare of liberal talk in power is all it takes. Look at all the ways they said they were going to fuck with the rich, corporations, and small business. They scared everyone into the economy we now have.

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WHOA, there, kemosabe!!!

In 2003 the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. In fact, they controlled both houses of congress between 1994 and 2006. So there is NO excuse for them claiming that they didn't have the time or the political wherewithal to 'fix' the problem.

They just didn't.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"most hispanics vote Republican"

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I will not attempt a link, but offer some thoughts. Illegal Hispanics cannot vote. Many of the ones who came legally are offended of those who cut in line ahead of them. More Hispanics than Americans, both legal and illegal, have hard working ethics and self responsibility, and want no part of the social welfare liberals promise. They want the American dream, which is not that of socialism.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"most hispanics vote Republican"

link?

"Christians" haters will vote anti-gay and anti-abortion every time, no matter how many $Ts the Repugs cost them, no matter how many of their poor, rural, high-school bubbas get killed or maimed in bogus, botched Repug wars, no matter how many of them get raped out of their properties by predatory lenders enabled and protected by Repugs.

Christ better take care of them, cause Repugs never will.

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I don't know about all hispanics, but B-D, if you look at the voting population of Texas (regardless of what WC says), the hispanic vote has got to be going Republican...there is no other way to explain the Texas legislature make-up and the the consistent gubernatorial drubbing of anyone other than a Republican.

lol republicans
lol democrats
lol retards

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Originally Posted by EVAY

WHOA, there, kemosabe!!!

In 2003 the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. In fact, they controlled both houses of congress between 1994 and 2006. So there is NO excuse for them claiming that they didn't have the time or the political wherewithal to 'fix' the problem.

They just didn't.

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Do you know what the term "third rail" means? Frank is powerful, and stopped all possibility of stopping the problem.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Do you know what the term "third rail" means? Frank is powerful, and stopped all possibility of stopping the problem.

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Let me refresh your memory...Frank was in the minority party at the time.

Just like he is today.

No, WC, you can't just pretend that the republicans did not have the power to overcome Frank then just like they do now.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

Let me refresh your memory...Frank was in the minority party at the time.

Just like he is today.

No, WC, you can't just pretend that the republicans did not have the power to overcome Frank then just like they do now.

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My God...

You act as if the republicans vote in lockstep. Frank is good at convincing others.

Did you listen to the last part of the first video?

You cannot deny that republicans did try to do something, and that some saw this crisis as far back as 2001.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

My God...

You act as if the republicans vote in lockstep. Frank is good at convincing others.

Did you listen to the last part of the first video?

You cannot deny that republicans did try to do something, and that some saw this crisis as far back as 2001.

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Your statements are pointless. Persuasion does equal voting records. If the Republicans believed there was a problem they should have fixed it. They had the votes. They had the power.

And they had a President espousing the American Dream of everyone being able to own their own home. You think Frank was more persuasive than Bush in 2001? 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? By 2006, you are probably right...but by 2006 IT WAS TOO DAMN LATE TO FIX!!

"there is no other way to explain the Texas legislature make-up"

gerrymandering, going back to DeLay.

voting population doesn't mean that population votes.

2010 - November (Gubernatorial)

Registered Voters 13,269,233

Voting Age Population (VAP) 18,789,238

Percentage of VAP Registered 71

Turnout 4,979,870

Percent of Turnout to Registered Voters 38%

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections...al/70-92.shtml

Hispanics, like blacks, are more poor, less educated than whites, and usually the poor/"have-nots" vote progressive/Dem, not "haves" regressive/Repug. and poor Hispanics probably vote even less that whites.

Of course, the Repugs, with their racist dog whistling since dirty tricky Nixon, have gotten poor white Dems to switch to racist Repug, and stimulated the "Christian" hate vote of anti-gay and anti-abortion (and now the TX Repugs have a war on contraception, with their defunding of family clinics to cause about 20K unwanted births)

There was plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle. Yeah, Bush and the Republicans talked shit about reforming Fannie and Freddie long before the shit hit the fan, The Democrats hated the idea, and it go thrown under the bus by the Republicans as a quid pro quo for Democrats supporting the war against terror, homeland security, etc. In all fairness WC, Bush did brag about all the vunnerables he got into houses during his administration.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

There was plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle. Yeah, Bush and the Republicans talked shit about reforming Fannie and Freddie long before the shit hit the fan, The Democrats hated the idea, and it go thrown under the bus by the Republicans as a quid pro quo for Democrats supporting the war against terror, homeland security, etc. In all fairness WC, Bush did brag about all the vunnerables he got into houses during his administration.

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Moreover, far more than either political party, the greatest villains in this fiasco are the perpetrators of the CDS and the drive, by mortgage companies like Countrywide, to make their cash flow off of the churn of fees made from getting more and more people into mortgages, regardless of any politician's desires, one way or another.

Remember, the mortgage companies sold the debt to Wall Street, and Wall Street packaged the debt into products that were approved by the ratings companies and traded around the world. A pot-load of people made a pot-load of money doing this...and most of them knew it was unsustainable.

So many books have been written on the issue that we should be beyond focusing blame for this on either political party or any individual within either party.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

So many books have been written on the issue that we should be beyond focusing blame for this on either political party or any individual within either party.

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But where's the fun in that? :lol