Why Did we Bring in Brent Barry If We're Not Going to Use Him When He's Hot?

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winning games by shooting three's isnt how we got to the finals.

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You do realize, right, that we got both of our rings by shooting threes.

We also kicked Detroit's ass in game 2 shooting threes.

We also would have kicked their ass tonight if we would have let Bowen and Barry keep shooting them.

you want to sit our playoff mvp for brent fucking barry? i hate you people

Um...hitting threes off Duncan double teams is how we have won two NBA titles...

Do we need a refresher course from 03 on what happened when we didn't play Steve Kerr VS when we did?

Do we need a recap of just what transpired in game 6 of that series that enabled us to come back?

Duncan did not score a point during the 19-2 run to win that game...he did however have about 5 assists.

On top of that it was stupid because if he'd passed out of it more tonight he'd have had less bodies in the paint...

Duncan knows this stuff...every finals game of his career has been a textbook on how to be the perfect basketball player...

And the thing is...the Spurs could have run some plays for someone else if Duncan was doing what he was supposed to do and it wasn't working.

What the hell is wrong with playing Barry alongside Manu? IS there some rule in the playbook that you only get to play one SG at a time?

Shit, Detroit went small with Hunter, Billups, and Rip at the 1-3 spots, that would have been the perfect time for a Tony-Barry-Manu perimeter pairing.

With 4 minutes left, the Spurs still could've put together some shots and I think they turned it over 3 straight times without even a shot attempt or a shitty one at that.

Just spread the floor, pass the ball and start knocking down shots... There was to much bullshit on the floor tonight. Possessions with no shots?

Spurs in Five.

I've been bitching about Barry not getting enough minutes with Manu all season, I think there is a rule that they can't play together or something...and their games totally compliment each other and Parkers.....Manu's game with Duncan is not his natural game...

But to be fair...there wasn't a damn thing wrong with Bruce's offense tonight...I wasn't in that big of a hurry to see him pulled off the court.

I'd like to thank Brent Barry for curling up into a giant vagina in the final minute of the third. Nothing pleases me more than to see him hemorrage the fucking ball at the first sign of defensive pressure.

The way the Spurs win is by attacking the rim, not by giving Barry more opportunities to give the opponent the rock.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

You do realize, right, that we got both of our rings by shooting threes.

We also kicked Detroit's ass in game 2 shooting threes.

We also would have kicked their ass tonight if we would have let Bowen and Barry keep shooting them.

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oh ok... i thought it was because of the twin towers and timely three point shooting that we won in 99. i thought it was because we had the mental toughness to push through aggressive play or calls in 2003... and that we had to rely on steve kerr for good shooting because we had very few slashers who could finish consistently.

i also thought it was ball movement that won that last game? good penetrations deep into the lane and kickouts... swinging the ball to the open shooter and hitting 3's like that?

now... i know it was tim duncan and his 20+ assists that won it for us.

seriously, i think this team is very different than any other championship teams we've had because it can win "inside or out". and tony parker and manu have basically come into their own and changed the team... plus sometimes tim is gonna have a bad game.

I don't fucking get it. On the one hand AHF bitches again and again and again about Pop going to 4down and now he wants that with Barry launching 23 footers instead of Ginobili and Parker fucking driving to the hole.

Shut the fuck up already man.

"Duncan knows this stuff...every finals game of his career has been a textbook on how to be the perfect basketball player..."

that's what's so frustrating, the whole Spurs team knows this drill, inside, no go, then out, inside/out, Bruce, Tony, and Brent were hitting their jumpers.

Why TF do the Spurs have to forget what they know, not do what they have done so well so many times, and lose a winnable game by not making in-game adjustments??

The paint was clogged, just like LA last May, and Tim kept trying to force it, to put it on the floor, begging to get stripped.

I'm just amazed you haven't opined that if we had Rose tonight, things would have been different.

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Originally Posted by SPARKY

I thoroughly enjoyed tonights loss, the only thing that would have made it better was if AJ had dropped by to slap his nuts against my chin for the entire 4th

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Marcus...when ever you think you have point...STFU and remember that if you had gotten your way Jason Kidd would be out there gimping around making 15 TO's per game for 15 million a season and neither Parker(the best player on the team tonight) or Manu would be here..

Dumbasses hating on the 3 tonight...Threes were the only reason we were in the damn game in the first place...the three was there and we did try to take it into the paint...Guess what happened? 18 fucking turnovers is what fucking happened. We had the inside in games 1 and 2 Detroit took it away tonight and you clowns can't come up with a better solution than to do it even more.


And we made 18 fucking turnovers tonight...one of which was made by Barry and it wasn't on that play in the third.

You don't win this game by jacking up 3s in the 4th. You win it by taking care of the rock and attacking the rim.

You certainly don't win it by putting the ball in Brent Barry's hands. Spurs might as well save the time and pass it to a Piston.

Well we took it inside in the 4th...guess what happened?

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Originally Posted by whott

They were doubling Duncan and he was not passing it...
Not just to Barry...Bowen stopped getting it too...and he was having another good shooting night.
It's almost like Duncan knows that his usual claim to the MVP is being challenged and he was forcing it trying to get numbers.

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are you telling us Duncan played selfish tonight, Whott?


[/QUOTE=Constantrate]no way you take out an mvp of the series (so far) for brent. [/QUOTE] ...and WHY not? BTW, has Manu really locked the MVP award? :nope

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Originally Posted by milkyway21

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are you telling us Duncan played selfish tonight, Whott?


[/QUOTE=constantrate]no way you take out an mvp of the series (so far) for brent.

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...and WHY not? BTW, has Manu really locked the MVP award? :nope[/QUOTE]

try using the finger wag when a guy plays more than 29 mins. manu had a bad game, 2-6 in 29mins with 6 t.o.s - it happens. duncan had a bad game 5-15 in 38mins. barry played 21mins... more than his usual... because manu was in foul trouble...

but yeah.. i still say you stick with manu. and yeah if he has another 25+ game where we win and he's the primary reason... that should lock it up for him. so far he's had 26 and 27 and been the reason we've won. the 3rd should do it.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

...and WHY not? BTW, has Manu really locked the MVP award? :nope

try using the finger wag when a guy plays more than 29 mins. manu had a bad game, 2-6 in 29mins with 6 t.o.s - it happens. duncan had a bad game 5-15 in 38mins. barry played 21mins... more than his usual... because manu was in foul trouble...

but yeah.. i still say you stick with manu. and yeah if he has another 25+ game where we win and he's the primary reason... that should lock it up for him. so far he's had 26 and 27 and been the reason we've won. the 3rd should do it.

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Explain how Barry got more minutes in game 2...when Manu went off, Bruce went off, and Barry went scoreless...

It's mystifying how Pop does this stuff...kinda like Kerr smoking the Nets in game 3(a win) and not getting played in game 4(a loss)...and then getting played again in game 5(a win)...

Pop's answer when asked that very question after a game 4 choke?

Because I decided to do something different...

Pop does this stuff just so he can say he's coaching and look like he's doing something other than sitting on his butt watching his team dismantle it's opponents. That's the only reason I can think of for him doing it...just so he can do something to make it look like he's doing something.

game 2 was a blowout. parker was in foul trouble and bowen played less mins too.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

game 2 was a blowout.

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So was this game.

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parker was in foul trouble

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That'd B great if Barry is ever on the court instead of Parker or Beno...he isn't. Less minutes for Parker means more for Beno and no one else.

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and bowen played less mins too.

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So why is Bruce the only one that happens to...

That still doesn't answer the question of why Barry got more minutes in a game he didn't score than he did tonight when he didn't miss from 3...

We missed a golden opportunity...

Barry is nearly always is hot late in the game if we go to him. That's when he's made most of his shot this season. When he's hot early and we get him the ball he doesn't miss but like 2 or 3 shots for the rest of the game...he usually ends up with a line like 4-4, 5-5, or 6-8 something like that from 3.

Pop just did this shit to prove he's the coach and he knows more than the fans and reporters...that's why he does it...

Just like with Kerr..it was so obvious it was the right move to make...when even Peter Vescey ends up punking him on it you know it was a bad move...and he didn't do it just because wanted to prove to the fans and reporters that he knows more than they do...he's the one in charge and he's not going to take orders from the fans or reporters...even if it is the right move to make. I know he does for some reason like that...he's the one that builds the perfect team and then doesn't use the pieces he's put together the obvious way they should be used.

And BTW...I hate to tell you and Marcus this...but when we are posting Duncan up it's either for Duncan to score or to get other guys open at the 3 point line...so you guys ragging on the 3 and saying it's not the object need to explain why our crunch time offense is posting up Duncan and trying to get guys open from 3. Thje object of that offense is not to try and run Parker or Manu in there when Duncan has already sucked a second defender in there.

It wasn't the lack of three point shooting that lost this game. It was the ball handling. They couldn't get the entry pass into Tim, they couldn't beat the press for stretches, and Manu was throwing the ball around.

They clean up the ball handling and they will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by TimVP

Show me the Brent Barry thread that I missed. Where is it?

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Bump for you know who...

Barry played well. Better than I thought he could play in this series. I'll give him that.

But to say that the Spurs should have gone with Barry over Manu is dumb. Manu has been Mr. Fourth Quarter in the playoffs. He could have brought the Spurs back singlehandedly if he got it going. Barry was hitting shots off of doulbe teams from Tim ... but those dried up in the second half.

To say you wanted the Spurs to roll with any lineup other than the traditional closing lineup shows how fickle of a fan you are.

Tim countlessly left guys standing around him with wide open 3's and refused to kick it out, even though he wasn't hitting his shots. Now, do I think he needs to kick the ball out everytime he gets a pass in the post...? No. But, to keep the defense honest, and to get the ball to guys like Barry and Bowen who were hot, he needs to adjust his game at times. Last night, he refused to adjust, and it cost us.

To throw in my answer to the original question, Brent Barry still hestitates at open looks and has been happier passing the ball than taking the shot. That's reason number 1 to take him out in favor of the guy who had previously had two amazing fourth quarters. Second reason to take him out is that he creates a defensive mismatch at each position.

He had a good game, but I would have pulled him too.