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It's easy to blame the rookie because no one wants to mention the elephant in the room. :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Ginobilli, with 6 TOs, looked trapped during most of the game--and he was. I predicted he wouldn't have another great game in Detroit's opener at home, but didn't expect a total melt-down either. :oops
Props to Larry Brown for a game plan and the Pistons players for energy ant 'tude. However, I expect Manu to come back with another good game now.
Ok, enough with the predictable arguement. In today's NBA where they scout the fucking waterboy and watch hours of film, there is no such thing as unpredictable offense. Get off it.
You're either good enough to execture what you want to do, or you're not. But everyone knows what you're doing.
Beno is getting all these minutes in the nba finals with a rookie's experience...you can't blame him for playing, who wouldn't? Blame pop.
Yea and blame Pop for not playing Rasho and Barry enough.
It's harder to predict offense that's running through 4 players than it is offense that runs through 1(a two time MVP who is known for his consistency).Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
That offense stopped working about 1999....since then it's taken guys shooting 80% from 3 to overcome it...and even that won't happen if he's forcing shit up over multiple defenders instead of passing it out.
It's also harder to excute that complicated of an offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
The offense we have in place has been good enough to score a hell of a lot of points up untill this point, and the Pistons knew exactly what was coming during game one.
The offense at the end of games isn't a problem. Turnovers are always going to be the biggest reason the Spurs lose. You need look no further than the fucked up disparity in fast break points during last nights game in order to see that. Something like 20 to 2, wasn't it?
Detroits offense is not good enough to consistently put those kind of numbers up on the Spurs. If they are, they the Spurs are probably going to lose this series.
Beno was just part of the larger picture last night, and that picture was very blurry. We were a mess from the moment the ball was tipped and to expect a rookie to come in and make some sense of it is asking a lot. I agree that he shouldn't be coming in at the end of quarters, unless we're up by some ridiculous amount. I also notice that he tends to play better with Manu than with Barry - I'm assuming it's a chemistry thing or perhaps that Manu plays with more confidence than Barry. He has shown throughout the season that he has what it takes and it's obvoius that Pop and the Spurs have confidence in him. I think we'll see him shake off those rookie dustbunnies over the summer and he'll play with a lot more confidence next season.
Everyone plays better with Manu...unfortunately Manu sucked last night and he was on the court during that crap fest...and made more TO's during it than anyone.
the beno militia never existed i tell ya
never existed!
I dont see why Pop doesnt give Barry the back up pg spot, plus the fucking guy was hot from the field! ARghhhh
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
What's wrong with offense we ran the first two games?
I bet we didn't try to post up Duncan more than 2 times in arow in either of the first two games...
The Pistons are built to stop Duncan posting up in the half court, they are built to stop Shaq from doing it...we can pretend it's no different than any other offense...but the Pistons have a 3 time DPOY bigman and another guy many believe to be the best Duncan defender in the NBA...
We played to Detroit's strengths instead of attacking their weaknesses, and we didn't play team ball(Duncan didn't IMO).
Billups and Hamilton are not all NBA defenders...
If we're in the mood for determining Spurs who are liabilities I will say that Mohammed's inability to shoot the rock and Barry's inability to make good decisions with the rock merit serious consideration...
dude barry played fucking well IMO at least relatively
him and bowen played well
Tim, Manu, Tony, Nazr, and Beno all blew it imo
in that order, too
Barry played well "relatively" for him. I was glad to see him get off and make himself useful, at least until he decided to revert back to his weak ways with the rock.
He does get credit for a couple of strong moves to the basket.
yes if barry is guilty of anything its not doing more with the ball once he got into a little rhythm. He even played decent D out there.
I just cannot comprehend why Pop does not use him as our backup PG. Ughghh
That's be great...except for the fact that Nazr and Barry weren't on the team for the other 6.3 billion times that offense has choked since the 98-99 season(the only year it truly worked in the playoffs). Fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARKY
Am I the only one that remembers Rick Fox explaining the Lakers strategy for beating the Spurs? " We tried to stay within 10 points until the 4th when we knew they'd be trying to pound it inside with Duncan, and we'd force some TO's and make a run"...
Surely you remember..that was from the 2002 playoffs where we choked a double digit 4th quarter lead in 4 out of 5 games...You remember...the year Duncan had the triple double with 10 turnovers. Fuck you.
Beno deserved court time after his performances earlier in the series. My problem is that Pop did not react to the pressure quickly. A timeout would have done wonders to nip the Pistons' momentum in the bud plus it would've advanced the rock to halfcourt.
Otherwise the Spurs had hung with the Pistons in the 3rd until then. That last minute really gave the Pistons a boost when I thought they were starting to feel the heat of a Spurs team that wouldn't go away.
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Originally Posted by whottt
:lol...and Beno was on those teams? WTF you cracksmoker?
The subject, in case you weren't aware, is which current Spur is a "liability", not which Spur historically has been one.
Pay attention next time you fucking verbal vomit king.
Among other reasons, Barry can't be the first PG backup because Devin isn't strong enough to be Manu's backup. Both Manu and Barry can play point if necessary, but I think that Pop's error was not finding a veteran backup PG. As we know, Parker can be inconsistent and you can't expect a rookie to make up the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
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Originally Posted by spurschick
Devin does back up the shooting guard spot though....even the 3 spot sometimes
i've never seen devin go in at point guard.
Pop did not make an error by drafting beno, the kid is good. But hitting a timely 3 pointer or two does not warrant significant ball handling time. At least not to me.
What I meant is that Devin was the first option to rest Manu before the back injury. If Devin hadn't gotten injured, he would be getting the SG minutes instead of Brent. In that scenario, perhaps Pop may have had some time to prep Brent to play some solid backup PG minutes in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I am not blaming Beno...fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPARKY
He made 1 TO and it didn't even lead to a basket...and after 3 we were down by 5.
The liabitlity is posting up Duncan repeatedly when we are trying to get back into a game...the Bobcats can stop it..you can imagine what a team like Detroit is going to do.
This is no divine revelation I know,- even though it comes from Angel = ) - but Kori is absolutely right.
Every time Beno brings the ball up the court, my heart takes an extra beat, esp. at the end of a quarter.
He didn't do too poorly in game 2.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Hell.....Timmy stunk it up too....is he a liability?
Beno has been pretty good in the post-season.....
The Pistons just out played The Spurs....simple as that.
I agree with Manny that Beno was a liability last night. Things need to change for him.
All season, almost like clockwork, Pop brings in Beno with a minute left in the first qtr. and again in the last minute or two of the 3rd qtr. It's a pattern for minutes distribution, just like Rasho/Nazr out after 1st 6 min. of 1st qtr., then Timmy out after 9 min. of 1st and Rasho/Nazr back in for Timmy.
I'm sure Larry Brown sees that if we do. Beno and Brent had better learn how to execute the press offense or the Spurs will continue to suffer.