Piston Fan Ragging on Sean Elliott

I was listening to the Jim Rome Show and a caller from Detroit called in stating that Jim having Sean Elliot on the show yesterday gave KARMA to the Pistons

He called Elliot a Sandbagger and didn't even try while he played there

Well here are some facts:

The year he was there is when his Kidney Problems Blew up, he talked about it after he retired how he didn't have any energy and started having major side effects from his kidney failure, he gained weight, he was very lethargic I remember he called a news conference because some people in Detroit thought he had AIDS.


Get your FACTS straight PISS-ton Fans :flipoff


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Don't let it ruin your day buddy.

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Originally Posted by Chris4

Don't let it ruin your day buddy.

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:lmao :lmao

Actually that's a good issue to bring up since we have a few Detroit folks in here. What was your take on that trade? And the subsequent drama after it? Was there a massive fan upheaval over the Worm leaving, like there was from Spurs fans when we found out Sean was going? And how did Bill Curley work out for you guys after all?

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Originally Posted by WayDowntownBang

:lmao :lmao

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pretty awesome irony coming from piston fans.
i suppose everything is lighthearted after a win?

sean elliott is a local hero around these here parts. dude helped win a championship. and this is a spurs board, not a pistons gloat board. you know what i mean buddy?

I thought it was great. Hey 6 finals appearances in the last 18 years compared to the Spurs 3 in much longer than that. A 33% showing in an almost two decade period is impressive, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

And how did Bill Curley work out for you guys after all?

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Ouch, man. That's cold.


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Originally Posted by constantstate

pretty awesome irony coming from piston fans.
i suppose everything is lighthearted after a win?

sean elliott is a local hero around these here parts. dude helped win a championship. and this is a spurs board, not a pistons gloat board. you know what i mean buddy?

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Relax 'bro'. I've got more posts here than you, don't go claiming this as your 'home turf'. I'd like to think I've been pretty consistant throughout the entire playoffs, and I've been here through the 2 losses. Not much gloating was going on during those times. Excuse the hell out of me for finding something funny.

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Originally Posted by WayDowntownBang

Relax 'bro'. I've got more posts here than you, don't go claiming this as your 'home turf'. I'd like to think I've been pretty consistant throughout the entire playoffs, and I've been here through the 2 losses. Not much gloating was going on during those times. Excuse the hell out of me for finding something funny.

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i used to post on spurs boards probably before you knew boards existed. dont go by post counts "bro". this is home turf. lol

find whatever you want funny btw. just as long as you know right after he won that championship... like a week later or something... he needed his kidney taken out. the guy was just saying he thinks some piston fans are idiots if they dont keep that in mind.

Didn't the Spurs get Rodman in that deal? Rodman showed up and off during his tenure with the squad if I remember correctly.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

i used to post on spurs boards probably before you knew boards existed. dont go by post counts "bro". this is home turf. lol

find whatever you want funny btw. just as long as you know right after he won that championship... like a week later or something... he needed his kidney taken out. the guy was just saying he thinks some piston fans are idiots if they dont keep that in mind.

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Not trying to be a dick, but if I laugh at something, I'm not trying to hope that some dude dies. Do you cheer for Alonzo Mourning? He had health issues too, but I hate him on the court. A surgury does not make you off limits for laughing. I can promise you I wasn't sitting next to him on the cutting room table clanking two butter knifes together singing songs.

And somehow I doubt you were 'around' before I knew about messageboards. Do you remember the days of telnet being the 'big thing'? If so, we're running with the same horses here. No need to compare dick sizes.

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Originally Posted by WayDowntownBang

Not trying to be a dick, but if I laugh at something, I'm not trying to hope that some dude dies. Do you cheer for Alonzo Mourning? He had health issues too, but I hate him on the court. A surgury does not make you off limits for laughing. I can promise you I wasn't sitting next to him on the cutting room table clanking two butter knifes together singing songs.

And somehow I doubt you were 'around' before I knew about messageboards. Do you remember the days of telnet being the 'big thing'? If so, we're running with the same horses here. No need to compare dick sizes.

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you wanna buy a 1200 baud modem? settle down.

taco posted the fact that the piston fan who called in got his shit wrong. i dont think you were laughing at a guy getting his kidney replaced... that would be... tasteless. as for alonzo mourning, i never liked him before he had his kidney troubles, but had respect for him after for going through that... which was what sean was dealing with when he played in det... and in sa. (get a clue)

oh and i remember rodman fondly... the dresses... madonna... madonna undressing... rodman wearing better dresses than madonna. etc.

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Didn't the Spurs get Rodman in that deal?

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Yes.

Elliott for Rodman rivals Brickowski for Pressy as worst trades the franchise has ever made.

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Originally Posted by WayDowntownBang

And somehow I doubt you were 'around' before I knew about messageboards. Do you remember the days of telnet being the 'big thing'? If so, we're running with the same horses here. No need to compare dick sizes.

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Looks like somebody fell off their horse.

Telnet? WTF are you talking about? Yes, I do know what telnet is, but do you know what usenet is?

Sean Elliott conducted himself in a very classless manner in Detroit. He never gave a good effort, he slacked off on defense, he was happy to collect a paycheck and go home. He didn't have to love the team, but he owed it to the fans to PLAY. He didn't. He pouted like a baby.

He's a saint to you guys, but nobody in Detroit has a high opinion of him, and rightfully so.

i still blame rodman for killing our chances at a championship pre 99.

Fuck all the Sean Elliott haters.


Maybe if Detroit wasn't such a shit hole...


nevermind, the trolls arent worth fucking with.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Fuck all the Sean Elliott haters.


Maybe if Detroit wasn't such a shit hole...


nevermind, the trolls arent worth fucking with.

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How is what you're doing any different?

did everyone know about his kidney problems back then and take that into account... or that he and management never got along (one guy in particular) or that bill laimbeer was the only guy who sean thought was on his side... and he retired after that year.

he was being blamed for everything. its funny too because piston fans are scared to blame players like sheed now... fearing they'll crack.

Elliot flat out dogged it in Detroit. Seems like he's a good guy and all, but expecting any love for him out of Detroit is too much. Part of the reason they dealt him off for scraps because his attitude was so poor.

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Sean Elliott conducted himself in a very classless manner in Detroit. He never gave a good effort, he slacked off on defense, he was happy to collect a paycheck and go home. He didn't have to love the team, but he owed it to the fans to PLAY. He didn't. He pouted like a baby.

He's a saint to you guys, but nobody in Detroit has a high opinion of him, and rightfully so.

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I have heard that from a lot of Pistons fans. I didn't pay much attention to Elliott when he was in Detroit, but if that's the case, then that sucks. People call Vince Carter names for not trying because he wasn't happy in Toronto. I can see how Pistons fans could see Elliott the same way.

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Originally Posted by Taco

I was listening to the Jim Rome Show and a caller from Detroit called in stating that Jim having Sean Elliot on the show yesterday gave KARMA to the Pistons

He called Elliot a Sandbagger and didn't even try while he played there

Well here are some facts:

The year he was there is when his Kidney Problems Blew up, he talked about it after he retired how he didn't have any energy and started having major side effects from his kidney failure, he gained weight, he was very lethargic I remember he called a news conference because some people in Detroit thought he had AIDS.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Sean Elliott conducted himself in a very classless manner in Detroit. He never gave a good effort, he slacked off on defense, he was happy to collect a paycheck and go home. He didn't have to love the team, but he owed it to the fans to PLAY. He didn't. He pouted like a baby.

He's a saint to you guys, but nobody in Detroit has a high opinion of him, and rightfully so.

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Didn't read the first post? :lol

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Originally Posted by constantstate

did everyone know about his kidney problems back then and take that into account... or that he and management never got along (one guy in particular) or that bill laimbeer was the only guy who sean thought was on his side... and he retired after that year.

he was being blamed for everything. its funny too because piston fans are scared to blame players like sheed now... fearing they'll crack.

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No, he played 158 out of 164 games the next to years for the Spurs and averaged 18 and 20 points a game.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

How is what you're doing any different?

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It is not.

TPark has no tolerance whatsoever.

He has anger isses...that is a fact....but he is OUR TPark so we all love him anyway.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

did everyone know about his kidney problems back then and take that into account...
he was being blamed for everything.

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FUnny, Sean's kidney problems didn't seem to hurt him in San Antonio for the next 3-4 years after he got sent back.... sorry, nobody buys that for a second. After seeing his production when he went back to the Spurs, he was clearly dogging it here.

And he wasn't being blamed for the losses, he was being blamed for being a sandbagging jerk. Pick a Pistons game from 1994, any game. Sean was always the one Piston on the floor that clearly didn't show any interest in playing.

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

No, he played 158 out of 164 games the next to years for the Spurs and averaged 18 and 20 points a game.

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oh ok... then maybe he didnt have a kidney problem. maybe someone should call his brother and tell him to get his kidney back.

im just saying he started having kidney problems in det... and there were other issues surrounding his stay there...

Yes, I'm well aware of usenet.

And no thanks, I don't want to buy the 1200, although that's a great reference. Cracked me up.

As for Rodman, remember.. this is the same kid that wanted to blow himself away in the parking lot of the Palace. As many rebounds as he had, he had that many more personal issues, way before he started dying his hair different colors.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

oh ok... then maybe he didnt have a kidney problem. maybe someone should call his brother and tell him to get his kidney back.

im just saying he started having kidney problems in det... and there were other issues surrounding his stay there...

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Yeah, we get it.

Sean's kidney prevented him from playing hard in 1994.....it just took a 3-year vacation when he got sent back to san antonio, magically allowing the couragous Sean to TRY again...

Nobody is telling you guys you have to stop liking sean elliott. Just don't even pretend to tell us we don't have a right to dispise him.

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Originally Posted by constantstate

oh ok... then maybe he didnt have a kidney problem. maybe someone should call his brother and tell him to get his kidney back.

im just saying he started having kidney problems in det... and there were other issues surrounding his stay there...

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No one is saying that he didn't have a kidney problem. But how do you explain his next two seasons in S.A. after he was in Detroit if he was so hindered by the kidney? You have to be able to see the Pistons fans' perspective.

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 93-94 DET 73 73 33.0 .455 .299 .803 .90 2.70 3.60 2.7 .74 .37 1.77 2.40 12.1
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

No one is saying that he didn't have a kidney problem. But how do you explain his next two seasons in S.A. after he was in Detroit if he was so hindered by the kidney? You have to be able to see the Pistons fans' perspective.

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 93-94 DET 73 73 33.0 .455 .299 .803 .90 2.70 3.60 2.7 .74 .37 1.77 2.40 12.1
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Funny how his minutes went up as well. He dogged it here, plain and simple...

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Yeah, we get it.

Sean's kidney prevented him from playing hard in 1994.....it just took a 3-year vacation when he got sent back to san antonio....

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have you ever heard of things like medicine? he was just starting to get treated for this stuff. i think he would have gotten back together as far as game shape. he did in sa.

as far as doggin it. sean elliott was in the prime of his career. going to det was a huge change where it takes time to adjust etc. nothing else in his career suggests that he would just "tank it" for the sake of it... i heard that he was unhappy with the way he was being treated, and that was after his first year... he had put up pretty good numbers.

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Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

Funny how his minutes went up as well. He dogged it here, plain and simple...

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This is a very awkward discussion for everybody involved.

Spurs fans love the guy, Pistons fans hate the guy, and both sides have good reason to do so.

Nobody's going to win this argument.

Maybe he discovered better methods of treatment if he was experiencing difficulties. Maybe he just couldn't play without a dominating C to take the pressure off of him. Or maybe, as was the talk at the time, that he was just completely unhappy about the trade to Detroit.

The worst part of the whole Elliot deal was that the Pistons had a deal to send him to Houston for Big Shot Bob. Only Elliot failed the physical because of his knee and he got sent back. Just another reason for Detroit fans opinions of Elliot.

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

Maybe he discovered better methods of treatment if he was experiencing difficulties. Maybe he just couldn't play without a dominating C to take the pressure off of him. Or maybe, as was the talk at the time, that he was just completely unhappy about the trade to Detroit.

The worst part of the whole Elliot deal was that the Pistons had a deal to send him to Houston for Big Shot Bob. Only Elliot failed the physical because of his knee and he got sent back. Just another reason for Detroit fans opinions of Elliot.

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The Horry trade would have been a good one for Detroit at the time...

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Originally Posted by Chris4

I thought it was great. Hey 6 finals appearances in the last 18 years compared to the Spurs 3 in much longer than that. A 33% showing in an almost two decade period is impressive, don't you think?

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OK

The Bad boys appeared in 3 and the new guys have appeared in 2,right?

That would be a total of 5 and not 6?

The difference between his Detroit numbers and his SA numbers = 50

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Originally Posted by constantstate

have you ever heard of things like medicine? he was just starting to get treated for this stuff. i think he would have gotten back together as far as game shape. he did in sa.

as far as doggin it. sean elliott was in the prime of his career. going to det was a huge change where it takes time to adjust etc. nothing else in his career suggests that he would just "tank it" for the sake of it... i heard that he was unhappy with the way he was being treated, and that was after his first year... he had put up pretty good numbers.

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Yeah, I get it.

He decided not to take meds in 1994, but took them the second he got traded back home. Yeah.

And for the effort Seasn was putting out on the floor, he deserved worse treatment than he got. I can excuse not playing well. I can't fault not trying.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

FUnny, Sean's kidney problems didn't seem to hurt him in San Antonio for the next 3-4 years after he got sent back.... sorry, nobody buys that for a second. After seeing his production when he went back to the Spurs, he was clearly dogging it here.

And he wasn't being blamed for the losses, he was being blamed for being a sandbagging jerk. Pick a Pistons game from 1994, any game. Sean was always the one Piston on the floor that clearly didn't show any interest in playing.

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Sean has talked about it before. He did give up in a sense. He said Thomas never welcomed him. Made the locker room dislike him. So you can see why he would give up, he has said many of times it was the worst yr of his life.

Elliott just wasn't a great NBA player without David Robinson..You guys tried to make him the centerpiece or something...he was never meant to be one.

all i know is this... his rep was almost ruined by people talking about how he didnt like it there. he was traded, adjusting, and going through the kidney stuff. i dont think he got along with management... but he failed physicals... thats how bad his kidney was... some people thought his career was over. (i do remember that)

i was gonna bring up his relationship with zeek... the one person in particular... but he also gave us nazr. so...

Ya'll just saw what transpired on the court, but there is a lot happened behind the scenes that caused him to play that way. I wouldn't blame Sean.

WTF this is a stupid thread.

1) Sean Elliott was grossly sick. If you saw him play for the Pistons, you would have seen his face all puffy from the medicine he was taking to combat his sickness.

2) Isiah Thomas hated him and Elliott had Isiah Thomas. They didn't get along at all and Elliott wouldn't get the ball.

3) That team had a lot of scorers (Dumars, Mills, Thomas and even Polynice) ... so Elliott wasn't close to the second option that he was in SA. Also, Allan Houston and Lidnsey Hunter were rookies who were both drafted in the lottery. They were getting plenty of touches in the offense as well.

Elliott had a bad year. Most of the issues were with Thomas and how they didn't want Elliott as part of the team. With Thomas, Dumars and Laimbeer still on the team, they thought they were still the Bad Boys. Problem was they sucked.

But to say that Elliott didn't try is stupid. It was a bad year coupled with a point guard who hated him ... plus the fact that he was on serious medication for his kidney ailment.

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Originally Posted by jcrod

Ya'll just saw what transpired on the court, but there is a lot happened behind the scenes that caused him to play that way. I wouldn't blame Sean.

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In the year prior and the year after he did fine. What else are we supposed to think?

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Originally Posted by jcrod

Sean has talked about it before. He did give up in a sense. He said Thomas never welcomed him. Made the locker room dislike him. So you can see why he would give up, he has said many of times it was the worst yr of his life.

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Oh for ****'s sake.......

Isiah's custom with new teamates is that you have to EARN his respect. The way to do that is with effort on the defensive end. Thats the Piston philosophy.

If Sean was playing hard for half the season and kinda gave in, thats one thing. But Sean never even TRIED from game #1. I can see why HOFer with 2 rings wouldn't like him.....

Yeah, we all get it. In 1993, Sean was fine. He gets traded to detroit, his kidney starts making him NOT TRY. He gets traded back to SA 1 year later, all ofa sudden, he's magically fine again. Nobody here buys that, and I'm offended anyone here thinks we're that gullable.

If anything, Sean was ASKING to be disliked. Who wants a guy that you can't count on as a teammate?

Man F all these Piston fans who were no where to be found when their team was down 2-0. And F these Spurs fans who somehow didn't watch the NBA back then so they can't backup one of their own.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Oh for ****'s sake.......

Isiah's custom with new teamates is that you have to EARN his respect. The way to do that is with effort on the defensive end. Thats the Piston philosophy.

If Sean was playing hard for half the season and kinda gave in, thats one thing. But Sean never even TRIED from game #1. I can see why HOFer with 2 rings wouldn't like him.....

If anything, Sean was ASKING to be disliked. Who wants a guy that you can't count on as a teammate?

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What stupid shit is that. You don't need to earn respect to be welcomed and make the whole locker room hate you. Stupid shit is that. If the freaking leader of the team doesn't like you from the get go and admittly say so to your face..........nevermind. You're seeing tunnel vision.

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sean elliott is a local hero around these here parts. dude helped win a championship.QUOTE]

I just love Sean b/c of those Taco Cabana commercials he used to do. C'mon you guy remember those, with the horrible outfits and the maracas

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

FUnny, Sean's kidney problems didn't seem to hurt him in San Antonio for the next 3-4 years after he got sent back.... sorry, nobody buys that for a second. After seeing his production when he went back to the Spurs, he was clearly dogging it here.

And he wasn't being blamed for the losses, he was being blamed for being a sandbagging jerk. Pick a Pistons game from 1994, any game. Sean was always the one Piston on the floor that clearly didn't show any interest in playing.

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Sean Elliott 1994

Regular Season Stats
Year Age Team Lg G Min Pts PPG FGM FGA FGP FTM FTA FTP 3PM 3PA 3PP ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO PF
1993-94 25 DET NBA 73 2409 885 12.9 360 791 .455 139 173 .803 26 87 .299 68 195 263 3.6 197 2.7 54 27 129 174

Tayshaun Prince 2005

YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2004-2005 82 82 37.1 5.7-11.7 .487 0.6-1.7 .341 2.7-3.3 .807 0.68 0.9 1.6 2.0 1.6 3.7 5.3 3.0 14.7


Compare the two seasons.

Sean was not exactly chop liver here.

Thomas was a scrub at that point who was just trying to be a hard ass because he career was over. The championship days were over. Kissing Magic Johnson was over. But he didn't want it to be over so he took it out on the new players.

This was common knowledge ... but I guess not to these Piston fans who stopped following the team after going down 2-0 but are now the #1 fans after winning a game.

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He has anger isses

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Originally Posted by timvp

Man F all these Piston fans who were no where to be found when their team was down 2-0. And F these Spurs fans who somehow didn't watch the NBA back then so they can't backup one of their own.

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seriously.

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Originally Posted by Jimcs50

Sean Elliott 1994

Regular Season Stats
Year Age Team Lg G Min Pts PPG FGM FGA FGP FTM FTA FTP 3PM 3PA 3PP ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO PF
1993-94 25 DET NBA 73 2409 885 12.9 360 791 .455 139 173 .803 26 87 .299 68 195 263 3.6 197 2.7 54 27 129 174

Tayshaun Prince 2005

YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2004-2005 82 82 37.1 5.7-11.7 .487 0.6-1.7 .341 2.7-3.3 .807 0.68 0.9 1.6 2.0 1.6 3.7 5.3 3.0 14.7


Compare the two seasons.

Sean was not exactly chop liver here.

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Compare what? The stats of a scorer vs a defender? What a stupid comparison.

I also must have missed the ceremony in 1994 where sean was named to the all-defensive team.

Sorry, no. Elliot's lack of effort was readily apparent for anybody (like me) that watched Pistons games regularly. Maybe you can chalk it up to the kidneys or even Isiah's attitude towards him. But his effort was piss poor. He played softer than tissue paper. When he went back to SA and was dunking on people and draining 3s the very next year, it rubs you the wrong way.

damn

LJ is spot fuckin on.


(stands and applauds)

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

Sorry, no. Elliot's lack of effort was readily apparent for anybody (like me) that watched Pistons games regularly. Maybe you can chalk it up to the kidneys or even Isiah's attitude towards him. But his effort was piss poor. He played softer than tissue paper. When he went back to SA and was dunking on people and draining 3s the very next year, it rubs you the wrong way.

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Dumbass, that's what happens when you go from the fifth option to the second option. That's what happens when you go from playing with the rotting corpse of Isiah Thomas to playing with the freakin' MVP David Robinson. That Pistons team sucked and Elliott didn't get the ball. Plus he was sick. All combined, it's a miracle he put up the stats that he did.

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

Sorry, no. Elliot's lack of effort was readily apparent for anybody (like me) that watched Pistons games regularly. Maybe you can chalk it up to the kidneys or even Isiah's attitude towards him. But his effort was piss poor. He played softer than tissue paper. When he went back to SA and was dunking on people and draining 3s the very next year, it rubs you the wrong way.

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Exactly.

Sean Elliot was always one of my favorite players, but when he came to Detroit he completely hoed us out so he could get what he wanted, and he got it.

You guys have no reason to agree to that, but it is the truth. It was so long ago though who the frick cares?

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Exactly.

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Exactly, what? Read my damn posts and try to stick around after the Spurs are up by two games next time.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by combs84

Sean Elliot was always one of my favorite players, but when he came to Detroit he completely hoed us out so he could get what he wanted, and he got it.

You guys have no reason to agree to that, but it is the truth. It was so long ago though who the frick cares?

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Because somebody decided to take issue with someone critisizing the holier-than-thou elliott, and brought it up here.

We should start a thread in here about how Rodman was right in completely sabotaging the spurs in 1994 and 1995.....see how they like it.

Actually, I never did think Rodman got a fair shake in San Antonio....

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Originally Posted by timvp

Thomas was a scrub at that point who was just trying to be a hard ass because he career was over. The championship days were over. Kissing Magic Johnson was over. But he didn't want it to be over so he took it out on the new players.

This was common knowledge ... but I guess not to these Piston fans who stopped following the team after going down 2-0 but are now the #1 fans after winning a game.

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Elliot averaged 13 shots/game in 92-93 and 11 in 93-94.

His FTA went from 337 to 173(lowest in his first 8 years) to 407. That's desire and effort...

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Originally Posted by combs84

Sean Elliot was always one of my favorite players, but when he came to Detroit he completely hoed us out so he could get what he wanted, and he got it.

You guys have no reason to agree to that, but it is the truth. It was so long ago though who the frick cares?

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Yeah the boy kissing rotting corpse of Isiah Thomas wasn't the reason why Elliott sucked. That hasn't been documented 112432423 times since Elliott was traded to Detroit. He was on a scrub team that thought they were world champions.

It's tough going from the second option next to David Robinson to being the fifth option on a scrub team led by a hating broken down PG.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Compare what? The stats of a scorer vs a defender? What a stupid comparison.

I also must have missed the ceremony in 1994 where sean was named to the all-defensive team.

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Prince is the most overrated defender. Sean was a better defender than Prince can ever dream of being.

Idiots! Everybody hates you, because of the over egotistic leader. Never gets the ball passed to you, sick as a dog for most of the season. And you wonder why?????????????????? :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by timvp

Dumbass, that's what happens when you go from the fifth option to the second option. That's what happens when you go from playing with the rotting corpse of Isiah Thomas to playing with the freakin' MVP David Robinson. That Pistons team sucked and Elliott didn't get the ball. Plus he was sick. All combined, it's a miracle he put up the stats that he did.

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Ohh, name calling. Intelligent. Elliot wasn't brough in to be the 5th option. That's just what he ended up being because he sucked so bad when he was here.

I'm not saying not to argue and post about it, but I think we can all agree that right now its the furthest thing from our minds. I only speak for myself but my Sean Elliot Nightmares have stopped.

But Nonetheless, it is the truth, it did happen, we watched it..you didn't. Believe what you want.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Because somebody decided to take issue with someone critisizing the holier-than-thou elliott, and brought it up here.

We should start a thread in here about how Rodman was right in completely sabotaging the spurs in 1994 and 1995.....see how they like it.

Actually, I never did think Rodman got a fair shake in San Antonio....

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Classic.

Ignore the truth. Celebrate in the loonacy.

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

Ohh, name calling. Intelligent. Elliot wasn't brough in to be the 5th option. That's just what he ended up being because he sucked so bad when he was here.

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You'll find thats a common theme here.

When you argue to a certain point, they resort to insulting you and insulting your city.

Not all of them, the ones in the game threads are cool, but a lot more than you'd think.....

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Originally Posted by MainEvent

Ohh, name calling. Intelligent. Elliot wasn't brough in to be the 5th option. That's just what he ended up being because he sucked so bad when he was here.

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Can't spell his name right. Intelligent, all right.

Don't blame me because your scrub team didn't try to rebuild quick enough. The boy kisser plus the expanded waist lines of Dumars and Laimbeer thought that Pistons team was championship caliber. They didn't want Elliott on the team. They wanted Rodman.

It was well documented. Even Isiah Thomas admitted it after the fact.

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Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

Elliot averaged 13 shots/game in 92-93 and 11 in 93-94.

His FTA went from 337 to 173(lowest in his first 8 years) to 407. That's desire and effort...

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desire... effort...

not a lack of communication with his point guard
(so much so that sean was quoted back then saying bill laimbeer got him the ball in better spots than zeek)

not a medical condition that caused him to go on meds.

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Originally Posted by combs84

I'm not saying not to argue and post about it, but I think we can all agree that right now its the furthest thing from our minds. I only speak for myself but my Sean Elliot Nightmares have stopped.

But Nonetheless, it is the truth, it did happen, we watched it..you didn't. Believe what you want.

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You watched only what happened on the court. YOU REFUSE to believe what happened in the locker room as Sean stated after he left that hell hole.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

You'll find thats a common theme here.

When you argue to a certain point, they resort to insulting you and insulting your city.

Not all of them, the ones in the game threads are cool, but a lot more than you'd think.....

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:cry

This from a guy who can't even respond to one of my posts in this thread.

Keep ignoring.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Classic.

Ignore the truth. Celebrate in the loonacy.

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Its no less loony to tell us we should like Sean Elliott.

His PG didn't like him. His kidney was acting up, though it was one of those magic kidnsey diseases that suddenly went away for 3 years after forcing him for play like crap. Management didn't like him. He didn't get the ball in the right spots. The locker room didn't like him.

Yeah, we understand. Its everybody's fault, but Sean's.....

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Originally Posted by constantstate

desire... effort...

not a lack of communication with his point guard
(so much so that sean was quoted back then saying bill laimbeer got him the ball in better spots than zeek)

not a medical condition that caused him to go on meds.

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So lack of getting to the rim and getting fouled is the point guard's fault?

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Its no less loony to tell us we should like Sean Elliott.

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Where are we saying that???????????????????? We're saying is not completely at fault for what happened during his time in Detroit.

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You'll find thats a common theme here.

When you argue to a certain point, they resort to insulting you and insulting your city.

Not all of them, the ones in the game threads are cool, but a lot more than you'd think.....

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Then why are you here???

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not a medical condition that caused him to go on meds

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Yeah, his kidneys are perfectly healthy.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

Its no less loony to tell us we should like Sean Elliott.

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Oh sh!t congrats. You finally decided to respond to one of my posts. Kind of like you decided to post again after the Pistons won a game.

I'm not saying you should like him. No one cares if you like him or not. But to try to say he wasn't trying is stupid. He was on medicine for a failing kidney, the point guard hated him, he went from the second option to one of the last options, the team was trying to get its two lottery picks playing time and the team still thought it was championship caliber ... that all combined for him having a sub par season. It wasn't like he went up there and they were a good team with a solid pass with a point guard who would pass to him and he just didn't try.

If you watched the team then you would know this.

the big cat has never seen timvp go off like this.

piston fan is nice and crispy right about now.

This is classic...What happened to Elliott is the same thing that happens to players that come to the Spurs...that have too much expectation on them...

Hedo was a beloved player in Sacremento...he came here and he's public enemy #1 with no balls and who carries purse.

Brent Barry went from being a pillar of the community and team in Seattle to being the most hated Spur possibly ever.

The same thing happened to Elliott...they didn't trade us Dennis Rodman because they expected Elliott to be the 5th option on their team...He was coming off an All Star Season if I remember...was wide regarded as one of the best upncoming defenders in the NBA...and he was supposed energize their aging team and be part of their future.


They wanted Elliott to do well...he just wasn't cut out to handle it in Detroit...it's not the same laid back family atmosphere that's in SA...they were hungry for more titles.

It's not just that the Pistons fans hate Elliott...Elliott has zero love for Detroit as well. He doesn't consider himself as having ever been a Piston.

Elliott wasn't as beloved in SA then as he is now either...there wasn't a lot of complaining about trading him for Rodman. It wasn't like when we traded Malik.

It's silly to expect the Detroit fans to feel the same way about Elliott that Spurs fans do..he didn't want to be there...he didn't hit the MDM for them(the turning point of his career in SA as well)...and he didn't become champion of the human spirit for them by becoming the first player to play after a kidney transplant...

Elliott didn't like the Pistons or their fans and they know it. I really don't blame them for feeling the same way.

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Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

So lack of getting to the rim and getting fouled is the point guard's fault?

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are you even reading what i said? i think there were alot of issues involved as to why his numbers went down. i dont think a medical condition that you're just learning about and trying to control helps... neither does a point who doesnt want you around.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Can't spell his name right. Intelligent, all right.

Don't blame me because your scrub team didn't try to rebuild quick enough. The boy kisser plus the expanded waist lines of Dumars and Laimbeer thought that Pistons team was championship caliber. They didn't want Elliott on the team. They wanted Rodman.

It was well documented. Even Isiah Thomas admitted it after the fact.

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Boy, you're a unhappy little critter aren't you?

Amazing that the fat waistline of Dumars managed to drop 20 a game that year and that Terry Mills managed 17. You guys can continue to blame anything and everything on everybody but Elliott. Sure, he didn't get along with Isiah, but why does that mean he can't take it strong to the hole or play tough defense? It doesn't. Blame it all on the kidney's if you want. But the fact that one year before and one year after he was perfectly fine and played hard taints his performance here in Detroit.

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It's silly to expect the Detroit fans to feel the same way about Elliott that Spurs fans do..he didn't want to be there...he didn't hit the MDM for them(the turning point of his career in SA as well)...and he didn't become champion of the human spirit for them by becoming the first player to play after a kidney transplant...

Elliott didn't like the Pistons or their fans and they know it. I really don't blame them for feeling the same way.

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That's all I've been trying to say.

And what does MDM mean?

Memorial Day Miracle.

i dont think anyone wants/needs piston fans to respect or like elliott... man have your own opinion. whatever, you know...

but this thread started because taco said he heard a fan go off about elliott without mentioning this stuff... the stuff that you should know if you're a fan.

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Dumars managed to drop 20 a game that year and that Terry Mills managed 17

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that plus Isaih Thomas, you wanna tell me how Sean Elliott was supposed to get any shots???

Nahhhh.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

His kidney was acting up, though it was one of those magic kidnsey diseases that suddenly went away for 3 years after forcing him for play like crap.

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:lol

You are really showing your true colors now. When he was going through the testing to figure out what was wrong, they put him on all types of steroids and medication to bring his kidney numbers back in line. They didn't know what was wrong at first. That is why if you see a picture of him on the Pistons, his face was all puffy from the steroids.

Eventually, they finally figured out what was wrong and they took him off the steroids and got the medication in check. That didn't happen overnight. It just so happened that he was on the Pistons when they were trying to figure out what was wrong with him.

Once they figured out his condition, they structured a medicine regiment that allowed him to play. He still had to check his kidney numbers weekly and adjust his medicine accordingly, but the medicine he was one was a much lesser dossage than he was on when he was with the Pistons. Plus they took him off of all steroids that they put him on when they had no clue what was wrong.

Oh and to show the class of the city of Detroit, the local media came out with a story that Sean Elliott had AIDS and that was why he was getting tested and treated so much. Very classy there.

I guess that's where you guys get your charm.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Memorial Day Miracle.

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Oh. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:lol

You are really showing your true colors now. When he was going through the testing to figure out what was wrong, they put him on all types of steroids and medication to bring his kidney numbers back in line. They didn't know what was wrong at first. That is why if you see a picture of him on the Pistons, his face was all puffy from the steroids.

Eventually, they finally figured out what was wrong and they took him off the steroids and got the medication in check. That didn't happen overnight. It just so happened that he was on the Pistons when they were trying to figure out what was wrong with him.

Once they figured out his condition, they structured a medicine regiment that allowed him to play. He still had to check his kidney numbers weekly and adjust his medicine accordingly, but the medicine he was one was a much lesser dossage than he was on when he was with the Pistons. Plus they took him off of all steroids that they put him on when they had no clue what was wrong.

Oh and to show the class of the city of Detroit, the local media came out with a story that Sean Elliott had AIDS and that was why he was getting tested and treated so much. Very classy there.

I guess that's where you guys get your charm.

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As I said, we all understand......the one year between 1992 and 1998 that he plays in detroit, his kidney knocks his effort and his scoring in half. Every other year, his kidney simply wasn't bothering him, or he just had better medication. Its all just a big coincidence that his one afflicted year was in Detroit. Gotcha.

Ouch. timvp knows more about Piston history than Piston Fan.

Look, I can give a rats ass if you hate him or like him. My thing is, saying it's completely his fault and he was sandbagging is stupid. He did give up, he admitted so. But having the whole team dislike you (espesically Isah, even HE admits it) and not getting you involved with the team plays a HUGE part in it, as being sick.

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Every other yea, his kidney simply wasn't bothering him, or he just had better medication.

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The year with the Pistons was the first year he started medication - that's well documented.

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his scoring in half.

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Math.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

As I said, we all understand......the one year between 1992 and 1998 that he plays in detroit, his kidney knocks his effort and his scoring in half. Every other yea, his kidney simply wasn't bothering him, or he just had better medication. Its all just a big coincidence that his one afflicted year was in Detroit. Gotcha.

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You do know that was the year he was diagnosed with his condition right? Yeah, it was his fault that his play suffered around the time that doctors told him he had failing kidneys and how he'd eventually need a transplant. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

As I said, we all understand......the one year between 1992 and 1998 that he plays in detroit, his kidney knocks his effort and his scoring in half. Every other yea, his kidney simply wasn't bothering him, or he just had better medication. Its all just a big coincidence that his one afflicted year was in Detroit. Gotcha.

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Actually, not getting the same touches he was getting in SA might have something to do with that. Not exactly hard to grasp.

And yes, Elliott was that sick back then.

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Originally Posted by SPARKY

Ouch. timvp knows more about Piston history than Piston Fan.

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Well considering we are dealing with fans who pulled a Whottt and stopped posting after going down 0-2, it shouldn't be a surprise.

:hat

Laker Fan > Piston fan.


Great job Detroit, be proud of that.


What fuckwads.

also... if sean had it in him to "dog it" in detroit... than he certainly would have had an even better reason to "dog it" in 99 with the spurs. (and after that too) when he became the first player with a kidney transplant to play pro basketball.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Laker Fan > Piston fan.


Great job Detroit, be proud of that.


What fuckwads.

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......you DO realize that you troll more than any spurs fan here.......right?

At leats the 2 years I've been around, you seem incapable of discussing anything without insulting people.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

......you DO realize that you troll more than any spurs fan here.......right?

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:lol

He skips all the posts were he's called out for being wrong.

Classic.

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Originally Posted by FearDaFro

......you DO realize that you troll more than any spurs fan here.......right?

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a spurs fan cant troll on a spurs board... you DO realize that, right?

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you DO realize that you troll more than any spurs fan here.......right?

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where were you after games 1 and 2???


Thats right.

Who is the troll now.

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Originally Posted by T Park

where were you after games 1 and 2???


Thats right.

Who is the troll now.

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......and if this discussion has started saturday, I'd be here then, too.

On the all-time list of hated ex-pistons, Sean Elliott is right behind Bob Macadoo at the top.