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oh ok... then maybe he didnt have a kidney problem. maybe someone should call his brother and tell him to get his kidney back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MainEvent
im just saying he started having kidney problems in det... and there were other issues surrounding his stay there...
Yes, I'm well aware of usenet.
And no thanks, I don't want to buy the 1200, although that's a great reference. Cracked me up.
As for Rodman, remember.. this is the same kid that wanted to blow himself away in the parking lot of the Palace. As many rebounds as he had, he had that many more personal issues, way before he started dying his hair different colors.
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Originally Posted by constantstate
Yeah, we get it.
Sean's kidney prevented him from playing hard in 1994.....it just took a 3-year vacation when he got sent back to san antonio, magically allowing the couragous Sean to TRY again...
Nobody is telling you guys you have to stop liking sean elliott. Just don't even pretend to tell us we don't have a right to dispise him.
No one is saying that he didn't have a kidney problem. But how do you explain his next two seasons in S.A. after he was in Detroit if he was so hindered by the kidney? You have to be able to see the Pistons fans' perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by constantstate
Code:92-93 SAS 70 70 37.2 .491 .356 .795 1.20 3.40 4.60 3.8 .97 .40 2.17 1.90 17.2
93-94 DET 73 73 33.0 .455 .299 .803 .90 2.70 3.60 2.7 .74 .37 1.77 2.40 12.1
94-95 SAS 81 81 35.3 .468 .408 .807 .80 2.80 3.50 2.5 .96 .47 1.86 2.70 18.1
95-96 SAS 77 77 37.7 .466 .411 .771 .90 4.20 5.10 2.7 .90 .43 2.57 2.30 20.0
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Funny how his minutes went up as well. He dogged it here, plain and simple...
have you ever heard of things like medicine? he was just starting to get treated for this stuff. i think he would have gotten back together as far as game shape. he did in sa.Quote:
Originally Posted by FearDaFro
as far as doggin it. sean elliott was in the prime of his career. going to det was a huge change where it takes time to adjust etc. nothing else in his career suggests that he would just "tank it" for the sake of it... i heard that he was unhappy with the way he was being treated, and that was after his first year... he had put up pretty good numbers.
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Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
This is a very awkward discussion for everybody involved.
Spurs fans love the guy, Pistons fans hate the guy, and both sides have good reason to do so.
Nobody's going to win this argument.
Maybe he discovered better methods of treatment if he was experiencing difficulties. Maybe he just couldn't play without a dominating C to take the pressure off of him. Or maybe, as was the talk at the time, that he was just completely unhappy about the trade to Detroit.
The worst part of the whole Elliot deal was that the Pistons had a deal to send him to Houston for Big Shot Bob. Only Elliot failed the physical because of his knee and he got sent back. Just another reason for Detroit fans opinions of Elliot.
The Horry trade would have been a good one for Detroit at the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by MainEvent
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Originally Posted by Chris4
The Bad boys appeared in 3 and the new guys have appeared in 2,right?
That would be a total of 5 and not 6?
The difference between his Detroit numbers and his SA numbers = 50
Yeah, I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by constantstate
He decided not to take meds in 1994, but took them the second he got traded back home. Yeah.
And for the effort Seasn was putting out on the floor, he deserved worse treatment than he got. I can excuse not playing well. I can't fault not trying.
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Originally Posted by FearDaFro
Sean has talked about it before. He did give up in a sense. He said Thomas never welcomed him. Made the locker room dislike him. So you can see why he would give up, he has said many of times it was the worst yr of his life.
Elliott just wasn't a great NBA player without David Robinson..You guys tried to make him the centerpiece or something...he was never meant to be one.
all i know is this... his rep was almost ruined by people talking about how he didnt like it there. he was traded, adjusting, and going through the kidney stuff. i dont think he got along with management... but he failed physicals... thats how bad his kidney was... some people thought his career was over. (i do remember that)
i was gonna bring up his relationship with zeek... the one person in particular... but he also gave us nazr. so...
Ya'll just saw what transpired on the court, but there is a lot happened behind the scenes that caused him to play that way. I wouldn't blame Sean.
WTF this is a stupid thread.
1) Sean Elliott was grossly sick. If you saw him play for the Pistons, you would have seen his face all puffy from the medicine he was taking to combat his sickness.
2) Isiah Thomas hated him and Elliott had Isiah Thomas. They didn't get along at all and Elliott wouldn't get the ball.
3) That team had a lot of scorers (Dumars, Mills, Thomas and even Polynice) ... so Elliott wasn't close to the second option that he was in SA. Also, Allan Houston and Lidnsey Hunter were rookies who were both drafted in the lottery. They were getting plenty of touches in the offense as well.
Elliott had a bad year. Most of the issues were with Thomas and how they didn't want Elliott as part of the team. With Thomas, Dumars and Laimbeer still on the team, they thought they were still the Bad Boys. Problem was they sucked.
But to say that Elliott didn't try is stupid. It was a bad year coupled with a point guard who hated him ... plus the fact that he was on serious medication for his kidney ailment.
In the year prior and the year after he did fine. What else are we supposed to think?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
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Originally Posted by jcrod
Oh for ****'s sake.......
Isiah's custom with new teamates is that you have to EARN his respect. The way to do that is with effort on the defensive end. Thats the Piston philosophy.
If Sean was playing hard for half the season and kinda gave in, thats one thing. But Sean never even TRIED from game #1. I can see why HOFer with 2 rings wouldn't like him.....
Yeah, we all get it. In 1993, Sean was fine. He gets traded to detroit, his kidney starts making him NOT TRY. He gets traded back to SA 1 year later, all ofa sudden, he's magically fine again. Nobody here buys that, and I'm offended anyone here thinks we're that gullable.
If anything, Sean was ASKING to be disliked. Who wants a guy that you can't count on as a teammate?
Man F all these Piston fans who were no where to be found when their team was down 2-0. And F these Spurs fans who somehow didn't watch the NBA back then so they can't backup one of their own.
What stupid shit is that. You don't need to earn respect to be welcomed and make the whole locker room hate you. Stupid shit is that. If the freaking leader of the team doesn't like you from the get go and admittly say so to your face..........nevermind. You're seeing tunnel vision.Quote:
Originally Posted by FearDaFro
[QUOTE=constantstate]
sean elliott is a local hero around these here parts. dude helped win a championship.QUOTE]
I just love Sean b/c of those Taco Cabana commercials he used to do. C'mon you guy remember those, with the horrible outfits and the maracas
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Originally Posted by FearDaFro
Sean Elliott 1994
Regular Season Stats
Year Age Team Lg G Min Pts PPG FGM FGA FGP FTM FTA FTP 3PM 3PA 3PP ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO PF
1993-94 25 DET NBA 73 2409 885 12.9 360 791 .455 139 173 .803 26 87 .299 68 195 263 3.6 197 2.7 54 27 129 174
Tayshaun Prince 2005
YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2004-2005 82 82 37.1 5.7-11.7 .487 0.6-1.7 .341 2.7-3.3 .807 0.68 0.9 1.6 2.0 1.6 3.7 5.3 3.0 14.7
Compare the two seasons.
Sean was not exactly chop liver here.
Thomas was a scrub at that point who was just trying to be a hard ass because he career was over. The championship days were over. Kissing Magic Johnson was over. But he didn't want it to be over so he took it out on the new players.
This was common knowledge ... but I guess not to these Piston fans who stopped following the team after going down 2-0 but are now the #1 fans after winning a game.