Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by boutons
The fix is in. The press is piling up on Manu, and the Spurs, as their star rises.
"Ginobili's characteristic man-to-man defense consists of various gambles."
Starts with, is based on this BS claim. Manu's defense "consists" of tons of various efforts, of which his gambles are only a tiny %age.
"Yet because his quickness and anticipation are his primary defensive weapons, any opponent who can create and maintain body-to-body contact can put Ginobili in an extremely vulnerable position."
Turning Manu's talent, skills, and hustle into negatives. GMAFB.
"any opponent"?? How many (nameless, of course) individuals are really capable to of
out-offense-ing Manu's defense?
And, for the few playrees that can/do do it infrequently, does it matter greatly in the Spurs team defense?
Is it Manu's fault the Spurs have klutzy, prone-to-stupid-fouls big men like Nazr, Rasho, TMass?
So what's this asshole's point? Why is he thinking about, concentrating on Manu's defense? Try to find some way to bring Manu down? or just trying to fill some column inches?
This sounds like Rosen is playng "watch me grand-stand with some highly obscure, insignificant, arcane BS", hitching my own tiny star to Manu's current stardom.
Boutons, why don't you use the "quote" feature?
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by SWC Bonfire
Note to Detroit Pistons:
Manu is waaay overrated. He can't defend, either.
Pay no attention to him.
:lol
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
Manu is not the best defender in the league, nor the best 3-point shooter, nor the best 2-point shooter, nor the best passer, nor the best rebounder, nor the best of a lot of things.
But put together, he is probably the best at his position to win more games than anybody else.
I'll take him over all the aforementioned.
Whenever he makes best passes or turns the ball over, I'll just go "tsk, tsk."
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
"why don't you use the "quote" feature?"
I don't want to.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by boutons
"why don't you use the "quote" feature?"
I don't want to.
Well, fvck you, then! :spin
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by SpurYank
Manu is not the best defender in the league, nor the best 3-point shooter, nor the best 2-point shooter, nor the best passer, nor the best rebounder, nor the best of a lot of things.
But put together, he is probably the best at his position to win more games than anybody else.
I'll take him over all the aforementioned.
Whenever he makes best passes or turns the ball over, I'll just go "tsk, tsk."
Exactly. Well put.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
No Coach alive, past or present has EVER, I MEAN EVER, either here or internationally called Gordan Giricek a great defender until now and of course it's Rosen. The thing about Charlie though is he says the same kind of negative shit about any team that he writes an article on. He fawns over how great he writes(in his mind) and how much Phil loves him. Once he called Gordan great on D, I knew he was in his own make-believe planetoid.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
glenn robinson for defense player of the year!
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
You guys are all missing the biggest joke of all..... Andre Igoudala? The high flying rookie from Philiadelphia.... You have GOT to be kidding me.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
Gordan Giricek >>> MANU???
give me a fucking break.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by texbumTHElife
You guys are all missing the biggest joke of all..... Andre Igoudala? The high flying rookie from Philiadelphia.... You have GOT to be kidding me.
Actually, he is a great defender. You ever watch a Sixers game?
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
Ira Newble :lol
Greg Buckner :lol
Michael Curry (when he's healthy) I don't care if it's when he can use a bat and crobar, it's still :lol
Corey Maggette - when he feels like it he's equal with Manu, but that isn't very often
Kerry Kittles - I'll give him this one
James Posey (when he's in shape) - I'll give him Posey
Eddie Jones - I'll give him this too
Shandon Anderson - :lmao
Erick Strickland :lmao
Trenton Hassell - it's a wash
Richard Jefferson - Air Gay? Swinging doors get blown by less than him
Doug Christie - in his youth. He ain't young no mo'.
Stacy Augmon - 10 years ago.
Aaron McKie - old man McKie? :lol
Andre Iguodala - I'll give him this one easily.
Ruben Patterson - a wash
Gordan Giricek - um, no
Larry Hughes - duh.
Raja Bell. - :lol Raja is a punk ass bitch, and he can't play D either.
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You guys are all missing the biggest joke of all..... Andre Igoudala? The high flying rookie from Philiadelphia.... You have GOT to be kidding me.
Spoken like someone who never watched a Philadelphia game. He's got Artest's defensive game, without all the mental issues.
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Gordan Giricek? He defends as well as a rabbit in a fox hole, this guy has got to be kidding me.
Shandon Andersen? He's not even the best perimeter off the Miami bench!
And Larry Hughes is NOT a good defender, getting a lots of steals != a good defender. How many points does Washington allow again? How many points did Wade average in that series again? 31? Know what? Screw that, Eddie and Damon Jones averaged 15 in that series too. You can argue the Bullets (I am NEVER going to call them by their stupid name they have now) sucked as a whole, but a lot is attributed to Hughes and Arenas constantly gambling for steals when they have a defensively challenged frontcourt.
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Spoken like someone who never watched a Philadelphia game. He's got Artest's defensive game, without all the mental issues.
If that had come from anyone but you AHF it might just get a chuckle. However coming from you, its a down right gut buster.
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It's funny to me...the Gordan G...one of the better defenders....sure.....yeah right...
However this is how I look at it...I watch a lot of NBA games as well as Laker games...and I use the the Kobe analogy. Who will guard Kobe on the opposing teams...overall Kobe owns everyone on a regular basis, with exception to Bruce Bowen on a few given nights. Hassell and Bell have Kobe as their assignments as well as Iggy. Now, would you match Manu against Kobe, Tmac, Iverson, VC etc....no, why because he would get abused on a nightly basis. Yes, manu's active but he's not going to get it done against the elite. Rosen is a little off...but those players he mentioned all get the major defensive assignments on the best players....Manu does not.
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If that had come from anyone but you AHF it might just get a chuckle. However coming from you, its a down right gut buster.
What's hilarious is your lack of knowledge about people outside of SA. Iggy will be all-NBA first team before he's done.
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Gordon Giricek??
Are you kidding me??????
Re: Ginobili's defense isn't what it's cracked up to be
Raja Bell gave Gino fits against the Jazz in at least one game this season
