Atheists Lest Trusted than Rapists

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Originally Posted by scott

Someone might come and say "no, all the atheists I know are dicks!" but you'd probably be surprised to find out how many people around you are atheists and you didn't know about it. That's because atheists (myself included) generally don't talk about religion at all (outside of internet message boards).

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I actually know quite a number of atheists and none of them are dicks in person. However, online (namely facebook) many of them do tend to be dickish. It doesn't bother me since I know they think they are just being funny or trying to get a rise out of people but my wife has hidden the posts of several long time friends so she can remain friends with them in the real world. So my experience pretty much fits with how you've described yourself. It shouldn't be suprising that atheism suffers some image problems if the public relations strategy is to avoid the subject in person but be a dick in the public arena.

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Originally Posted by scott

How is that any less dickish than insinuating, as Religious types often do, that atheists are incapable of living by an ethical/moral standard without God?

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Assuming your assertion is true, it's still more dickish to imply all religious people want to rape babies. Secondly, it's really just a "but Johnny did it too" defense.

Personally I've never heard anyone say atheists were incapable of morals/ethics. I'm sure there are religious dicks who have but not enough to say religious people "often" say it. It is common for religious people to ask where atheists get their morals/ethics or what stops atheists from changinging there morals/ethics to suit their needs. Now those questions may show the person asking hasn't given much thought to the topic but I don't think they are unreasonable or offensive.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Even Jon Stewart couldn't help but notice the dickishness

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...und-zero-cross

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lol bohr model of the atom as pre-approved atheist logo

nothing wrong with it, but is a little dated

Snakeboy, I think atheists come off as offensive because we just find a lot of the things that religion affects to be asinine. Imagine if you went to a country where every decision was based off a coin flip. You'd probably find it pretty ridiculous and be a bit flippant when discussing policy. Sometimes it feels that way to me with politics.

legacy of the late Madalyn Murray O'Hair

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a lot of the things that religion affects

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like?

the caterwauling about the pinched , shallow souls of religionists, is clearly audible

the trouble itself is not yet clearly disclosed

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Originally Posted by scott

I'm glad Religious people believe in God, because apparently its the only thing stopping them from going around and raping babies.

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Do you have a link to this story?

atheists lest trusted to spell rite then rapsists

I thought SnakeBoy's incipient discourse on dickishness was apt, was surprised he neither continued it, nor did anyone else chume in. That Jon Stewart segment was hilarious,

I think there's an implied *actively belligerent* quality about the "dickish" atheists Christians sometimes complain about. In all of the church services I've been to, I can certainly say that there are very few Christians who would say all those who do not believe in God are assholes. That would dissuade spreading the Gospel, I would think.

With that said, even as a Christian I'd say those "dickish" atheists have more cause to be belligerent than Christians have to bemoan any supposed victimization they've suffered at the hands of political correctness or liberal Presidents who don't mention God in a Thanksgiving speech.

There is a sense of entitlement among far too many Christians with regards to how the Christian God should be acknowledged in all areas of public life.

for this situation i'd trust a rapist more than a atheist, rapist rape as a power thing, stealing money is not their thing. Atheist are seen as dbags, because most of the time the only exposure they get is because atheist zealots are having a bitch fit (see complaining about a cross beam at 9/11 memorial)

^ link?

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Originally Posted by Blake

^ link?

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to what

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

to what

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To the bitch fit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_912304.html

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I think there's an implied *actively belligerent* quality about the "dickish" atheists Christians sometimes complain about.

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it's actively present in this thread (and many others lately), not just implied imho

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

In all of the church services I've been to, I can certainly say that there are very few Christians who would say all those who do not believe in God are assholes. That would dissuade spreading the Gospel, I would think.

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True. Where do you get more sinners to join?

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

With that said, even as a Christian I'd say those "dickish" atheists have more cause to be belligerent than Christians have to bemoan any supposed victimization they've suffered at the hands of political correctness or liberal Presidents who don't mention God in a Thanksgiving speech.

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why more? i'd rate it about equal

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

There is a sense of entitlement among far too many Christians with regards to how the Christian God should be acknowledged in all areas of public life.

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there's also apparently a feeling of entitlement that it's ok to denigrate and make broad ascriptions to people based on their religious belief. it is offensive too.

I see legit gripes on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

like?

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Politics, policy, culture, education, language... *shrug* I'm not one to doomsay about religion, but I think it is pervasive in American culture. The very fact that many would not vote for an atheist politician is an indicator of that.

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Originally Posted by Blake

To the bitch fit

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the ongoing bitch fit about how horrible churched up folks are and how they ruin it for everyone else. I presume you are already familiar with it because you regularly participate.

Do you disbelieve in its existence?

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Politics, policy, culture, education, language... *shrug* I'm not one to doomsay about religion, but I think it is pervasive in American culture. The very fact that many would not vote for an atheist politician is an indicator of that.

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That's a legit gripe. People are very opinionated.

Always the case in the situation of liberty.

if you're not better (or at least more numerous) the other side wins

Right or wrong, I think there is a perception -- certainly by those with a faith in a supreme creator -- that our morality is tethered to that faith; and, those without such faith are not bound to any moral tenets and can (and probably will) act according to their own desires.

Now, along the same lines -- mentioned earlier in this thread -- that religious people use religion as a reason to do do good because sin is punished; I could argue atheists do good to avoid bad consequences, as well -- criminal prosecution, ostracism, pain, etc...

Kind of oversimplified in the adage, "If you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything."

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

the ongoing bitch fit about how horrible churched up folks are and how they ruin it for everyone else. I presume you are already familiar with it because you regularly participate.

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I'm well aware of bitch fits from both the religious and anti-religious zealots.

I simply wanted to read about this latest bitch fit from the anti-religious.