why assume that. plausible, but not necessary.Quote:
those without such faith are not bound to any moral tenets
morality occurs outside of religious credo, believe it or not
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why assume that. plausible, but not necessary.Quote:
those without such faith are not bound to any moral tenets
morality occurs outside of religious credo, believe it or not
Sure, but this is a message board. The medium lends itself to provocation. I don't think it's a good sample of what atheists are like in general, or anyone for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
IMO:Quote:
why more? i'd rate it about equal
Types of Atheist Issues that piss off Christians
- No "crosses" at national memorials, and other complaints about religious symbols in public places
- Removing "In God We Trust" from currency
- Making kids say "One Nation Under God" in school
- All-inclusive "Holiday" parties that don't make non-Christians feel excluded
- Evolution's place in public science classes
Types of Christian issues that piss of atheists
- Gay marriage / Gays in the Military being outlawed
- Fights against abortion and Planned Parenthood, etc.
- Faith as a litmus for political electability
- Creationism's place in public school science classes
- The hyperbolic rage that meets any discussion of the above Atheist issues
Feel free to add any I may have missed, but it seems like if we're weighing the issues based on how important they are to civilization, the gripe atheists have with Christianity's influence seems to be more weighty.
Sure, that feeling exists among atheists. But in the only sample I can go by (my own social acquaintances) I don't see it nearly as prevalent among my atheist friends as among my Christian friends and family.Quote:
there's also apparently a feeling of entitlement that it's ok to denigrate and make broad ascriptions to people based on their religious belief. it is offensive too.
I see legit gripes on both sides.
it is freely expressed here, as it should be. is it bad taste to mention that?Quote:
Sure, that feeling exists among atheists.
fair enough on the status of the asymmetry. i'm no expert on that.
Not at all, I just disagree that the sense of moral entitlement is generally as strong among atheists as with Christians. I think it just tends to look that way depending on what medium you're using.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
For example, if we judged all atheists by reddit.com/r/atheism, we'd think they were all complete assholes.
maybe the most strident advocates distort ones perception of what is normal
quien sabe?
no se senor
The ones who are vocal are more likely to be more strident. I've found those who speak up about their professed beliefs are rarely on the fence with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
hard to say. yoni reversed field in his latest F&F thread. said he meant the opposite of what he actually said.
slippery, yes
(okie noodling)
random internet jackasses can be deceptively easy to deal with
Stating a perception exists <> Yonivore assumes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Well, that didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
of course not. you're faultlessly consistent, Yoni.
Sorry, I assumed you were speaking for yourself and not for hypothetical persons or opinions. My bad.Quote:
Stating a perception exists <> Yonivore assumes.
Again, claiming I didn't reverse myself on a specific issue <> claiming I'm "faultlessly consistent."Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
as for the other thread, I hope you know other people can read for themselves
One would think people in this forum would tire of you hijacking threads just to hate on me but, I guess not; you seem to be getting some award in scott's survey monkey for being the most impartial or something.
Well, that's an achievement.
I'm sure they can...well, some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
like I said, you're deceptively easy to deal with, but I have more practice than most...
The thread sucked. Sue me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I think you're deceiving yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
So, on what point did I reverse myself and please, know the definition of reverse better than you did complicit. I would hate for you to have to reverse yourself, as you did in the F&F thread because you shot from the hip.
you said the US was complicit in murder. you backed away from that later, in fact explicitly disclaimed it.
reread the thread, counselor. looks bad for you.