devin brown deserves to be paid.

prior to going down with the back injury devin brown's season was shaping up to be a solid one, one worthy of a significant 2 or 3 year deal. now that injury is going to cost him some $, i'm afraid.

but the spurs cannot afford to lose him. again and again he shows up in the playoffs when others assume the barry position. the spurs need guys who will bust their ass when its winning time. this is why malik rose has always been one of my favorite players. fuck technical proficiency. you want guys who will compete and who want to win.

spurs better not lose him. if they do i'll lose it.

spurs need to trade barry for an expiring contract
he is useless as a backup point guard
he was brought for that and his shooting
when beno was stuggling barry struggled to


you have already lost it! (wink)

I agree with you that he's a nice player and deserves a payday. No doubt. But you also have to think that other teams would be more than happy to let him get his and shut down the other guys. As the Lakers did last year, the Pistons are doing the same this year, which is focus in on Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and accept giving up some points to Devin Brown. He's a nice player, though, and I hope the Spurs can retain his services as long as his back is worth risking the guaranteed money.

the point is that the spurs need more guys like him and fewer barrys.

you cannot discount brown's competitiveness as being the product of defensive strategy and what not.

Jut good seeing him out there playing. Hope we can resign him without killing our cap.

Wake me when the fucking Devin show produces something other than our worst loss of the playoffs...same exact thing as last year.

Also...it's game 4 of the NBA finals and Devin has done exactly squat to get us to this point ...it also might be good to have a guy who doesn't miss the first round of the playoffs every year due to a bad back.

He got Barry's minutes last night...it was our worst loss of the playoffs. Figure it out.

he got the minutes when barry set it up to be the worst loss of the year.

hopefully next time pop leaves barry on the fucking bench.

You are a dumbass if you think that...Barry's bad stretch we were down by 6 fucking points and he got yanked...look at the final score.

Actually we were down by 4 and his contribution to the loss was us being down by 6 when he got yanked.

Again...look at the final score.

Okay people let's be real about this.

Devin is an average player with a big heart. This is a business and right now Devin has NOT shown me that he can be worthy of a big pay day.

This is about business folks....not playing "hometown" homer because the guy went to West Campus and UTSA.

If the Spurs lose him so what? If it happens I guarantee you that Pop will bring in someone like Jim Jackson or some other veteran who isn't going to cost us major cap money down the road.

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You are a dumbass if you think that...Barry's bad stretch we were down by 6 fucking points and he got yanked...look at the final score.

Actually we were down by 4 and his contribution to the loss was us being down by 6 when he got yanked.

Again...look at the final score.

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that was early on, you stupid bitch.

I see...and in your brilliance you have isolated the cause of last nights loss as a 2 point swing in the first quarter that left us down by 6 instead of 4.

Fuck you Marcus.

I know I've always said to myself...in the middle of a turnover fest...let's bring Devin in...he never turns it over.

barry played in more than just the 1st quarter, mental midget.

dude, barry is averaging 2 turnovers 3 rebounds a game, all though he is shooting 33% from three point land, he is good for at least 2 turnovers a game, and right now with that being are biggest problem, Brown should get his minutes. He had them before he got injured so why not now?

spurs need players with nuts, not vaginas.

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dude, barry is averaging 2 turnovers 3 rebounds a game, all though he is shooting 33% from three point land, he is good for at least 2 turnovers a game, and right now with that being are biggest problem,

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That's a flat out lie...he's had one game with 2 TO's...

Devin is more turnover prone than Barry is.

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Brown should get his minutes. He had them before he got injured so why not now?

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Because Devin done exactly shit to get us to the finals...and last night got Barry's minutes and it was 30 point loss.

And it was the same fucking thing in the Lakers series last year...

His best game was a 24 point loss to the fucking Lakers...

We did not win a game after Devin started getting big minutes in that series.

Go ahead...

I want to see the Spurs win as much as the next guy...

I hope Pop pulls the trigger on it...and gives Brown Barry's minutes, like he did last night, if you guys really think that is the reason we lost.

Then I hope we use our whole MLE to sign a guy with a chronic back condition that has caused him to miss the first round of the playoffs 2 years in a row...

Because hey...Devin is from San Antonio and that's really all that matters...

whottt you are flatlining. all you can point to is that barry wasnt worth shit in the 1st quarter. anyone who actually can watch a game without barrys nuts on their chin knows the truth.

This summer, get rid of Beno and Barry, keep Brown. Sign Scola, and a back up PG.

Barry sucked...but he wasn't the reason we lost the game...

Meanwhile...as Spurminator pointed out...I am still waiting for the game where Devin Brown desperation minutes actually result in a won game...regular season or playoffs.

dude calm down, we are on the same side REMEMBER, his stats arnt a lie either check them at espn. Brown was playing great before he got hurt, better than barry as i remember it and neither brown nor barry was the reason we lost. I mean you saw the game right? they all sucked ass.

When Tim has a terrible night, we need another big guy that we can rely on, and Horry's 3 point-shooting isn't enough. We don't have any other big guy to pose a threat when Duncan is not playing well.

Last night, it would have been great to have Scola, or any other PF that knows how to score.

yeah...let's go ahead and do what the guy who proclaimed "game 4 is ours", "I've never felt more strongly about a game in my life" wants to do...

DBrown was the heart of the team last night. And he was the only one keeping his head up till the end. He is worth a lot.

does anyone think big dog should get more time??

yes, pop should go to devin early on instead of allowing barry to help fuck things and give brown an entry into the game when they are down big.

keep trying to spin that otherwise, whottt. everyone else here knows how pathetic your arguments are.

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yeah...let's go ahead and do what the guy who proclaimed "game 4 is ours", "I've never felt more strongly about a game in my life" wants to do...

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Are you refering to me???

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dude calm down, we are on the same side REMEMBER, his stats arnt a lie either check them at espn. Brown was playing great before he got hurt, better than barry as i remember it and neither brown nor barry was the reason we lost. I mean you saw the game right? they all sucked ass.

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Yeah but the point I am making is...for an energy guy who is supposed to bring so much to the team with his hustle...

Devin Brown never changes the momentum of the game and the other guy never feed off of it...it's like he plays in a vacume. And this is in the regular season too...

I wanted to start the guy because I felt like he could have more of an impact as a starter and the team would be used to playing with him...but that never happened...and it's just basically him running around out there like a big puppy dog with no pressure.

But now he's definitely got a bad back and I know every loves how he plays with heart in 30 point losses...but I don't think it's a good investment at this stage.


And I don't think you fuck around with the chemistry of this team this late in the playoffs...

But go ahead and do it...it didn't change shit last year. Maybe it will this year.

fuck man devin brown actually plays like he wants to win

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Are you refering to me???

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No...I am referring to the guy whose solution to our TO and scoring problems is to have everyone keep driving into packed paint and trying to score on the 6 Pistons in there.

He knows who he is.

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fuck man devin brown actually plays like he wants to win

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I agree with you 100%...that's what I love about him too...

What I don't love about him is that his best games always seem to be our worst losses...I can't pretend the connection isn't there.

And I don't see the other guys playing better because of his big games...it's almost like they just sit around and go...whatever.

Maybe it's because we need someone who is going to get them back into the game and not play on an island.

I'll give you the chemistry you're right about that, and he's got a real fucking sweet shot from beyond the arc and i would hate to give that up but we've got to open up the middle to get those shots for him. I think the pistons guards are little to quick for barry. Devin can move just a little better in my opinion and can make those mid range jumpers we need someone to start making (or at least he did before his injury)

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I agree with you 100%...that's what I love about him too...

What I don't love about him is that his best games always seem to be our worst losses...I can't pretend the connection isn't there.

And I don't see the other guys playing better because of it.

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Wanna know why?

Pop never plays Brown anymore. Pop ONLY plays Brown when we are being killed and Manu and TP are having a bad night.

That pretty much explains why his best games are during bad losses.

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I agree with you 100%...that's what I love about him too...

What I don't love about him is that his best games always seem to be our worst losses...I can't pretend the connection isn't there.

And I don't see the other guys playing better because of his big games...it's almost like they just sit around and go...whatever.

Maybe it's because we need someone who is going to get them back into the game...

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thats because devin brown gets minutes after the spurs are already down big. see the fucking connection?

Alvarez...we were down by only 6 points when Pop played the Devin card and decided to give him Barry's minutes...look at the final score....it's our worst loss of the playoffs...

Even if it is just a rust thing...exactly how many more losses do you want to sit through to knock the rust off.

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Alvarez...we were down by only 6 points when Pop played the Devin card and decided to give him Barry's minutes...look at the final score....it's our worst loss of the playoffs...

Even if it is just a rust thing...exactly how many more losses do you want to sit through to knock the rust off.

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That's a 1st.

We were down by 6 when Devin came in... and we made up to 2-0 in the NBA finals without Pop giving Devin big minutes...including blowing this team out in games 1 and 2.

If duncan is scoring down low then Barry should play cause he gets open looks when duncan is scoring, but if we are stagnant on offense, Brown is more of playmaker type of player and is a little more athletic.

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We were down by 6 when Devin came in... and we made up to 2-0 in the NBA finals without Pop giving Devin big minutes...including blowing this team out in games 1 and 2.

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In games 1 and 2 Manu tore them apart, that's why he didn't play.

Same reason as before...

spurs were down big when devin came in and he certainly didnt contribute to them getting down like that. pop goes to devin when he sees bitches like barry quitting.

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That's a 1st.

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No...it's a second...it's a carbon copy of what happened last season against LA when Pop started going with Devin...

Devin tore it fucking up too...he shot about 80% from 3 for the rest of that series....but we fucking lost 4 in a row doing that.

I am not blaming Devin but damn...you can't ignore the results....it's like he plays outside of the team or something.

Maybe it pisses the others guys off or something that they got us to this point and all of a sudden Pop acts like Devin is the only guy that deserves PT...I don't know what it is but the trend is there...and it's there in the regular season too...Good times for Devin = Bad Time for the Spurs.

I personally think he would do well as the starter...but with that back how much can you invest? How much can you trust it?

Ditto with being the main guy off the bench?

It's sad but that's the reality and I don't see that this crowd is big on cutting these guys slack, looking at the 6 million Duncan is a pussy threads all over the forum.

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spurs were down big when devin came in and he certainly didnt contribute to them getting down like that. pop goes to devin when he sees bitches like barry quitting.

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Spurs were down by 6.

pop went to devin in last year's series after the spurs were down big and looked like they were quitting. try again.

Whottt, Pop only plays Devin when Manu is sucking, and Barry isn't doing much either.

Put everything aside, what we need is the big 3 having a good overall game. If Manu, Tony, and Duncan play well, then our whole team tends to play off of them, they set the tone for us. Is they're playing well, more attention is drawn to them, leaving Horry and Bruce to knock down clutch 3's all night long.

That's it.

I don't care...I just want to win. I dislike investing an entire season with a team and having it end in a huge choke job...

IF you guys honestly believe Devin is the solution then by all means play him...

Whatever you think will fix it...Fuck Barry...there...you happy? I said it...

Now let's see if Devin makes a difference...he never has yet. I hope you guys are right.

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I don't care...I just want to win. I dislike investing an entire season with a team and having it end in a huge choke job...

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I'm used to it.

(past 3 years, Eagles)

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pop went to devin in last year's series after the spurs were down big and looked like they were quitting. try again.

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No...I've already seen your definition of "big" is a 6 point deficit..don't even try to put that shit over...Devin got big minutes in all but one of those Laker Losses. Big minutes....and he put up fucking poitns too...but it made absolutely no difference and the team as a whole played worse. They were the worst losses of the playoffs.

oh please. devin is put in those situations when the spurs are down by more than 15 points.

its bitches like your boy barry who create that deficit and now you are blaming devin for it. thats fucking classic

The Spurs were not down by 15 points when Devin came into the game Marcus...and Barry wasn't here last season. The same thing happened then...

It's impossible to ignore Good Times for Devin = Bad Times for the Spurs...

So that's why a guy like me that would normally cream over a mofo shooting 80% from 3 can't shake that losing feeling....

I don't care what Pop does or who he gives the minutes too...just win the fucking title by winning 2 out of the next 3. Is that too much to ask?

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Spurs were down by 6.

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Are you sure about that?

Whottt, stop putting it on Devin.

You're almost saying it's his fault for Pop deciding to let him play when all of our stars are sucking, and the game is basicallly over in the 3rd quarter. It's not Devin's fault, he tries to get the team back up, but sadly, no one helps him.

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We were down by 6 when Devin came in

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Whottt is [email protected]#$ing liar. The Spurs were down 14 and on the same play Devin came in, McDyess had a three-point play to put them down 17. Whottt knows this but he's so in love with Brent Barry he'll make up crap to make Barry look better.

Barry came in and quickly got a bad foul, then missed a shot and then got scared and bobbled the ball away. He was playing nervous again so Pop yanked him.

But don't worry Brent, Whottt will lie to protect you.

What happened, Whottt?

Oh and Brown led the only charge the Spurs made in the game. From down 17, he hit a three-pointer to make them down 14. Then got an offensive rebound and fed Tim Duncan to pull the Spurs within 12. Billups hit two free-throws and then Duncan hit four free-throws in a row. Devin followed that with a free-throw to pull the Spurs with nine points.

He fought for all his minutes on the court and when he came out, the Spurs were down by 14. So they basically made up three points while Devin was in ... including making their only run in the game to pull it under a double-figure lead.

whottt stopped with the filibustering and has resorted to straight up misrepresentation. poor bastard.

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Oh and Brown led the only charge the Spurs made in the game. From down 17, he hit a three-pointer to make them down 14. Then got an offensive rebound and fed Tim Duncan to pull the Spurs within 12. Billups hit two free-throws and then Duncan hit four free-throws in a row. Devin followed that with a free-throw to pull the Spurs with nine points.

He fought for all his minutes on the court and when he came out, the Spurs were down by 14. So they basically made up three points while Devin was in ... including making their only run in the game to pull it under a double-figure lead.

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thats what i remember.

In the second half, Pop went back to Billion Barry before playing Devin. In his three minutes on the court, the lead grew for the Pistons and Barry managed to turn Lindsey Hunter into Michael Jordan. This is even more the accomplishment when you realize that Lindsey Hunter has the worst career field goal percentage in recorded basketball history.

barry talk? That worthless pussy doesn't deserve another word unless is about his trade.

I wonder how Whottt responds to this. He'll probably call me a hater and point to how the lead grew with Devin in there at garbage time at the end of the game. He'll also say something about how well the Spurs have played with Barry as if Barry is anything more than a placeholder who is sometimes left open for threes.

Did Whottt die? Where'd he go?

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Dude, don't disappear again. :rollin

Doing his best to avoid posting...

1st quarter:
6:22 Brent Barry enters the game for Manu Ginobili. 7-11

Spurs are down 4.

Barry plays the rest of the quarter:

0:01 17-23 Rasheed Wallace made 26 ft three point jumper. Assisted by Lindsey Hunter.
0:00 End of the 1st Quarter.

That's 6 fucking points. And only 6 because of a last second 3 by Sheed.

6 points...that's where the 6 point figure came from. From the deficit the last time Barry was in the game.

Barry did not play in the second quarter when the game got out of hand.

Devin did. Did he make a difference?

No he fucking didn't.




So let's look at the third quarter then...the next time Barry got into the game:

3rd quarter:
6:35 Brent Barry enters the game for Manu Ginobili. 44-59

That's 15 points...

The Pistons score 2 baskets to go up by 19 and Barry hits a 3 to get it back to 16. He then gets a foul and gets yanked again...leaves with the Spurs down 18 points...

So Barry total contributions to our loss last night were 5 fucking points in 2 @5 minutes segments of playing time.

Who did Pop go with instead?

Devin...what was the final result?

A 30 point loss...

You guys can spint how ever you want but Barry got 11 minutes of PT and Devin got 20.

Devin did get Barry's minutes and we lost by 30.

I don't hate Devin but youy guys definitely hate Brent Barry..in spite of the fact that he has more to do with us being in this postion that Devin Brown does...

So don't call me the hater...

And Barry(Devin Brown was though in a carbon copy of last nights game) wasn't on the team last year during that fucking choke...blame him for that one too why don't you.

Haters.

Whottt, you've just wasted your time for your proof.

We still know that barry is a piece of vagina, and Devin >>>>>>>>>>>barry.

I'd be pretty wary of giving Devin a big payday with the back problems. Sorry but that's just being realistic. He's a decent player when healthy but it would be incredibly foolish to overlook the injury problem.

Devin Brown looks good right now compared to Barry but that doesn't take much. If Pop is gonna fuck with the rotations I'd rather see him give the minutes to Robinson. I think he has a much better chance of getting some offense going than Devin.

Either way it doesn't make a whole lot of difference though. Unless Tim, Tony, and Manu can get their shit together in the same game we're going back home down 3-2.

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1st quarter:
6:22 Brent Barry enters the game for Manu Ginobili. 7-11

Spurs are down 4.

Barry plays the rest of the quarter:

0:01 17-23 Rasheed Wallace made 26 ft three point jumper. Assisted by Lindsey Hunter.
0:00 End of the 1st Quarter.

That's 6 fucking points.

6 points...that's where the 6 point figure came from. From the deficit the last time Barry was in the game.

Barry did not play in the second quarter when the game got out of hand.

Devin did. Did he make a difference?

No he fucking didn't.




So let's look at the third quarter then...the next time Barry got into the game:

3rd quarter:
6:35 Brent Barry enters the game for Manu Ginobili. 44-59

That's 15 points...

The Pistons score 2 baskets to go up by 19 and Barry hits a 3 to get it back to 16. He then gets a foul and gets yanked again...leaves with the Spurs down 18 points...

So Barry total contributions to our loss last night were 5 fucking points in 2 @5 minutes segments of playing time.

Who did Pop go with instead?

Devin...what was the final result?

A 30 point loss...

You guys can spint how ever you want but Barry got 11 minutes of PT and Devin got 20.

Devin did get Barry's minutes and we lost by 30.

I don't hate Devin but youy guys definitely hate Brent Barry..in spite of the fact that he has more to do with us being in this postion that Devin Brown does...

So don't call me the hater...

And Barry wasn't on the team last year during that fucking choke...blame him for that one too why don't you.

Haters.

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Whottt has officially lost it. He doesn't admit to anything about how the Spurs were down by 14 (really 17) when Devin came in and how Devin led them to their only trip under double-figures after the first quarter.

He doesn't say anything about how Barry turned Lindsey Hunter into Jordan. He doesn't say anything about how Barry played like a scared biotch ... again.

He uses garbage time minutes and the fact that Duncan had given up by the time Devin was put into the game in the second half against Devin. As if Devin didn't create the only run the Spurs had the whole game and how whenever Barry went into the game, the lead for the Pistons grew.

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Whottt, you've just wasted your time for your proof.

We still know that barry is a piece of vagina, and Devin >>>>>>>>>>>barry.

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You guys don't know fucking shit and you haven't all season...but some people need another colossal choke to wake them up to reality.

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:lmao

Whottt has officially lost it. He doesn't admit to anything about how the Spurs were down by 14 (really 17) when Devin came in and how Devin led them to their only trip under double-figures after the first quarter.

He doesn't say anything about how Barry turned Lindsey Hunter into Jordan. He doesn't say anything about how Barry played like a scared biotch ... again.

He uses garbage time minutes and the fact that Duncan had given up by the time Devin was put into the game in the second half against Devin. As if Devin didn't create the only run the Spurs had the whole game and how whenever Barry went into the game, the lead for the Pistons grew.

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My point is that Devin didn't make a difference....just like last year he didn't make a difference...just like all during the regular season he didn't make a differnece.

I never blamed him for the loss...it's you guys that like to isolate one player for a loss...

I just said he didn't make a difference...

His energy does nothing to impact the team. It doesn't...I don't understand why either...it just doesn't.

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His energy does nothing to impact the team.

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That's not his fault.


Barry bring just about nothing in terms of energy?

Whottt, just admit you lied about them being down six when Devin came in.

Here's your proof.

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(8:54) [SAN] Bowen Foul: Offensive (1 PF)
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Spurs were down 14.

Spin it however you want. Say whatever you want about Devin not making a difference. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. But don't just spout lies.

I hate to tell you guys this but Devin has been on the IR for the last 3 months...somehow we made it up 2-0 in the NBA finals without him...

In fact we never missed him for a split second...we never skipped a beat.

No Impact.



And then when he does get a chance to impact the game...it's the worse loss of the playoffs...

Why did everyone quit if Devin does so much?

I don't hate Devin...I love the guys energy I love guys that can hit 60% from 3 against the Lakers...I just don't like that his high moments come in the teams worst moments...

Not just this year...last year as well.

How much were the Spurs down when he came into the game?

Answer this.

Okay, Whottt, you have your opinion on Devin.

Admit you lied about the Spurs being down six when he came in.

This is what I originally said...

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You are a dumbass if you think that...Barry's bad stretch we were down by 6 fucking points and he got yanked...look at the final score.

Actually we were down by 4 and his contribution to the loss was us being down by 6 when he got yanked.

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That's from the first page of this thread...and my point was that Barry got yanked down by 6 after being down by 4 when he came in...I just got it confused with the second half when Barry did get yanked for Devin...

So sorry...I wasn't lying trying to incriminate Devin...I don't have to....scoreboard says it all.

and I don't hate Devin Brown...I love the guys energy I wanted him to start in the offeseason(I guess when I was a Bruce hater :rolleyes)...but the results do not lie.

I want to win a title and I don't see how doing the same damn thing we did last season is going to make a difference...

I haven't seen Devin make difference yet...period. I see losses...I don't like losses, so therefore I don't get as excited about him getting PT as the rest of the board.

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Because Devin done exactly shit to get us to the finals...and last night got Barry's minutes and it was 30 point loss.

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you blamed brown for the loss, bitch.

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How much were the Spurs down when he came into the game?

Answer this.

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14 and that was my mistake...but what you call a lie was just fuck up...my point on the 6 point thing was not about Devin...it was about Barry...

Marcus Bryant was calling Barry pussy sacless etc...

My point was that the Spurs were down 4 when he came into the game and down 6 the last time he played in the first half.

The point is Devin did get Barry's minutes last night...Barry played 11 minutes and Devin got 20 minutes...

Can you guys with all certainty that cutting Barry's minutes was the right the thing to do?

Forget that you hate Barry for a second and realize that he's been our main guard off the bench for this entire playoff run...not Devin.

What good did the quick hook do?

On top of that...any night that Duncan is sucking is probably a good night to go with Barry since he's one of the few guys on this team that has any success on a team without Tim Duncan.

I am not blaming Brown for the fucking loss...I am just pointing out he's not the game changing hero the entire board seems to think he is. He isn't. He has the attitude to do it and the energy level...but it doesn't translate to wins...and seeing as how he has been out of the rotation for 3 freaking months I don't think the finals are a good time to try force the issue.



There are plenty of people to blame for this loss and it's not the hapless bench guys...let's start with blaming the starters.

Detroit is too tough a match for a guy like BB. BB is good aganist teams like the Suns who's team philosophy lie on the offensive end. After a full year with the Spurs, its pretty obvious that BB is this year's Hedo. And no one is blaming BB for this loss or anyother...but you must admit the guy is easily rattled when pressured.

Look I don't care...honestly I am tired of fighting the Barry hate...there is nothing that Barry can do to not be hated by Spurs fans. Nothing...the guy explodes on the road against Phoenix in a much more impressive 4th quarter display than Steve Kerr or Stephen Jackson ever pulled off...did it stop the hate?

No...it was "expected".

This series...his best game also was on the road....and he was nearly perfect from the field...was that a good game? No...he made 1 turnover when Detroit sprung a trap on him..it was neither a truly bad pass(since it hit the passee in the hand) and it was also the right thing to do......but so therefore he's a choker.

Fuck ya'll. You can't beat that kinda hate....it's not going to change. I give up on that...you can't beat blind fucking hate.


But what I can do is point out when everyone is all over Devin's jock and wanting to sign him to a long term deal...

A.We've never won shit with his big heart games.

and

B. He's got a bad back that has basically rendered him useless in the first round 2 years in a row.

C.I don't hate Devin, I just go by the results..not by whether or not someone "looks scared" or "plays with heart"...but the people I am arguing with in this thread definitely hate Brent Barry...because they don't like his body language or something...It's like dogs going after a mailman or something...it's very feral, and animalistic, the hate the this board has for Barry.

But anyway...

So exactly how much do you want to give Devin and build around him, given the impact he has had and considering he has a back condition?