Can someone explain to me why...

Rick Santorum is a typical neo-con who supported and will support policies that will fuck this country up just like in the previous decade.

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

The clerics do want to stir up trouble just to unite the people on their side. American/Isreali aggression will do that. That's why they're trying to antagonize the U.S.A. I think if they're left alone, their power will disintergrate.

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How have they antagonized the US? The US has basically initiated all the tension that's recently been created. Attempting to create a nuke isn't an attempt to antagonize the US, it's our own fault for being narcissistic enough to think it is.

Dickheads like Santorum are just listening to our nation's dangerous clerics Hagee and Robertson tbh. Fucking holy men, always wanting to kill anything that doesn't conform to their asinine superstitions.

And Israel's dangerous clerics who the rich Jews in this country support tbh.

Neo-cons don't sincerely give two shits about Israel. They deliberately show support for Israel hoping for the Jewish vote and Jewish campaign money. It's no different than abortion and the religious right vote. Does anyone seriously think the people who sent thousands of Americans to die in Iraq give two shits about a bunch of unborn fetuses :lol

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Originally Posted by DoK

How have they antagonized the US? The US has basically initiated all the tension that's recently been created. Attempting to create a nuke isn't an attempt to antagonize the US, it's our own fault for being narcissistic enough to think it is.

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I guess not antagonize, other than maybe whatever is going in the Straites of Homuz. They do use Hezbollah to annoy Isreal which happened a couple of years ago, but the U.S. didn't stop the Pakis from getting a nuke and I don't think a nuclear Iran is that big of a threat either. Plus, they're not that close to getting a nuclear bomb. I think if left alone, their power will crumble in the near future.

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Originally Posted by DoK

And Israel's dangerous clerics who the rich Jews in this country support tbh.

Neo-cons don't sincerely give two shits about Israel. They deliberately show support for Israel hoping for the Jewish vote and Jewish campaign money. It's no different than abortion and the religious right vote. Does anyone seriously think the people who sent thousands of Americans to die in Iraq give two shits about a bunch of unborn fetuses :lol

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Any time between 0 years and 17.99999 years, fuck the kids. Less than 0 when they can wedge their religion in is good and once they hit 18 and can go die for them in Iraq, the kids become important again.

And if the kid doesn't wanna join the military once he turns 18, fuck him then too. If a kid who turns 18 is underprivileged and wants to go to college, his only options are serving a few tours in Iraq to get his education paid for or burying himself in a mountain of student loans. We don't have the money for unimportant bullshit like education when we're busy spending trillions keeping troops deployed in countries like Germany and Japan.

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Originally Posted by DoK

And if the kid doesn't wanna join the military once he turns 18, fuck him then too. If a kid who turns 18 is underprivileged and wants to go to college, his only options are serving a few tours in Iraq to get his education paid for or burying himself in a mountain of student loans. We don't have the money for unimportant bullshit like education when we're busy spending trillions keeping troops deployed in countries like Germany and Japan.

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:lmao that education thing is going to be the downfall of america. other countries who value education are simply going to surpass us eventually, definitely within our lifetime. and in the short run, the student loan bubble bursting won't be pretty, it's a lot bigger than people realize. not sure that it will top the mortgage crisis of 08 or anything, but it won't be pretty either.

Tbh it's only a matter of time before banks start issuing bonds and other securities tied to student loan payments while Goldman Sachs starts buying credit default swaps on them :lol

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Originally Posted by DoK

How have they antagonized the US? The US has basically initiated all the tension that's recently been created. Attempting to create a nuke isn't an attempt to antagonize the US, it's our own fault for being narcissistic enough to think it is.

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Any military member killed from an efp. All the political prisoners in Ian. Lol at the fact that we as an American government are to shallow to allow a country who funds groups that bomb and kill our allies on a daily basis to develop a nuke.

lol "our allies"
lol Israel
lol people who want the government pouring billions into aiding Israel when our country is bankrupt

Sorry but helping the Palestinians isn't "antagonizing" the US. It's simply helping people who are being oppressed by the Israeli government.

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Originally Posted by DoK

So what economic interests does Iran threaten if they have a nuke? Enlighten me please.

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What I presented was probabilistic no? I'm not saying they would, I'm saying they could. In hindsight, I could have worded that a bit better.

It's sufficient that a state sponsor of terrorism has a nuclear capability. Markets are about certainty aren't they?

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Originally Posted by DoK

PS - :lol trying to pretend we go to war over our "economic interests" being threatened.

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I doubt very seriously that war is prosecuted for many other reasons tbh. Sovereignty perhaps, but that's not an issue here.

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Originally Posted by DoK

The Republicans like Santorum who want a war with Iraq are saying it strictly because they claim Americans aren't safe if Iraq develops a nuke.

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"Safe" doesn't necessarily refer to physical safety. That's the point I made above.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

What I presented was probabilistic no? I'm not saying they would, I'm saying they could.

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In other words, you have no basis for what you were saying, you were just taking a stupid point of view for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

It's sufficient that a state sponsor of terrorism has a nuclear capability. Markets are about certainty aren't they?

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huh?

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Originally Posted by Agloco

I doubt very seriously that war is prosecuted for many other reasons tbh. Sovereignty perhaps, but that's not an issue here.

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huh? again

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Originally Posted by Agloco

"Safe" doesn't necessarily refer to physical safety. That's the point I made above.

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I'm saying it's a retarded point. When Santorum says, "if Iran has a nuke, you in Greensville, are not safe," it's pretty obvious he's referring to physical safety. You're trying to play devil's advocate right now and it's really stupid. If you're convinced Santorum is talking about another kind of safety and isn't fear mongering about physical safety being threatened, I'm all ears about what safety he's talking about, Mr. Scientist.

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Originally Posted by DoK

I'm saying it's a retarded point. When Santorum says, "if Iran has a nuke, you in Greensville, are not safe," it's pretty obvious he's referring to physical safety. You're trying to play devil's advocate right now and it's really stupid.

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Why do you hate America? :madrun

Dammit for someone who thinks he's so much better than everyone else with this little "I'm a scientist" superiority complex thing he's got going on, Agloco really is being an idiot in this thread. He buys the iranian boogeyman story hook, line, and sinker.

Hey everybody, I'm Agloco, I'm a scientist, and you should care!

Hememdgamboa has scientific credentials

It's going to be funny in 50 years when colombia Cuba even has nukes, they're gonna be like DVDs in the home; ubiquitous

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Originally Posted by DoK

In other words, you have no basis for what you were saying, you were just taking a stupid point of view for no reason.

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Originally Posted by DoK

You're trying to play devil's advocate right now and it's really stupid. If you're convinced Santorum is talking about another kind of safety and isn't fear mongering about physical safety being threatened, I'm all ears about what safety he's talking about, Mr. Scientist.

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Originally Posted by Y.H.

Dammit for someone who thinks he's so much better than everyone else with this little "I'm a scientist" superiority complex thing he's got going on, Agloco really is being an idiot in this thread. He buys the iranian boogeyman story hook, line, and sinker.

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Originally Posted by DoK

Hey everybody, I'm Agloco, I'm a scientist, and you should care!

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:cry

Now now children. Apparently we're still butthurt about the club thread.
































:lol

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Iran and North Korea's militaries do not preclude anything. Russia and China's are another matter.

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Disagree completely. Iran would make an invasion hell, and NK would anihilate Seoul in a matter of hours after war broke out using technology that is a hundred years old.

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Originally Posted by DoK

And if the kid doesn't wanna join the military once he turns 18, fuck him then too. If a kid who turns 18 is underprivileged and wants to go to college, his only options are serving a few tours in Iraq to get his education paid for or burying himself in a mountain of student loans. We don't have the money for unimportant bullshit like education when we're busy spending trillions keeping troops deployed in countries like Germany and Japan.

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You're an idiot. We don't deploy troops to Germany and Japan, and we certainly don't spend trillions to keep troops in either place.

how much do we spend? how much have we spent since WWII?

if DoK is mistaken as you say surely you can quantify the error...

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

how much do we spend? how much have we spent since WWII?

if DoK is mistaken as you say surely you can quantify the error...

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Billions.

^^^ doesn't know either, in short

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

how much do we spend? how much have we spent since WWII?

if DoK is mistaken as you say surely you can quantify the error...

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In the interest of fairness, we might ask DoK to justify his estimate as well.....(although I don't think he's far off of the mark).

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Originally Posted by DoK

And if the kid doesn't wanna join the military once he turns 18, fuck him then too. If a kid who turns 18 is underprivileged and wants to go to college, his only options are serving a few tours in Iraq to get his education paid for or burying himself in a mountain of student loans. We don't have the money for unimportant bullshit like education when we're busy spending trillions keeping troops deployed in countries like Germany and Japan.

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I guess underprivileged kids can't use fafsa and the Powell grant or guaranteed college loans. Or any scholarships huh?