Uh oh, there may be several flies in the ointment...

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Press Release Source: CBS

Statement From CBS News

Friday September 10, 3:53 pm ET

NEW YORK, Sept. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Later today, CBS News will address on the air and in detail the issues surrounding the documents broadcast in the 60 MINUTES report on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard. At this time, however, CBS News states with absolute certainty that the ability to produce the "th" superscript mentioned in reports about the documents did exist on typewriters as early as 1968, and in fact is in President Bush's official military records released by the White House. This and other issues surrounding the authenticity of the documents and more on this developing story will be reported on tonight on THE CBS EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER.

For something a little lighter until the CBS followup story try this link

www.fakeconstitution.50megs.com/

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This isn't about 1973 this is about 2004 and his continued lie about why he didn't take the medical exam.

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Who gives a shit? I thought this election was about who can best lead our country the next four years.

All I see out of Democrats is that apparently Bush is unfit because of something that happened in 1973, while coming out of the other side of their mouths is screaming that what Kerry did or didn't do in 'Nam 30 years ago is a non-issue.

Which is it? Make up your damn minds.

One direction the DNC might have been headed in is that Bush missed that physical because he had coke in his system.

With Kitty Kelley's book coming out and her slated to make various network appearances (I believe Katie Couric is slated to have multiple interviews with her) then you have the 'Bush is a cokehead' allegation hitting the media cycle right after you have the NG documents coming out showing that Bush missed the all important physical.

Of course, now that the authenticity of the documents has become the major issue and Kelley's source for the cokehead story has recanted, the best laid plans of mice and girlie men will go poof.

I thought Ben Barnes's daughter coming out and calling her dad a liar, today, was a nice touch. Don't you?

Aggie calm down man. I clearly explained why this is an issue today. He didn't lie about why he didn't take the medical exam in in 1972. He did that in the last few months, and in the 2000 election.

So what?

Kerry lied about Cambodia what, two weeks ago?

You need to calm down, and realize that this has absolutely ZERO to do with his ability to lead the next four years.

I know Demos have to reach, because Kerry's campaign has nothing to do with a platform or initiatives and everything to do with hating Bush, but that doesn't mean you have to cling to this insignificant crap to trash Bush.

Kerry didn't lie about Cambodia. His story has been corroborated multiple times by commanders of the boat that served along side of him.

You're in denial man. Catch a cruise to the Carribean and relax.

Now would be a good time to see the Florida Keys from a Carnival Cruise ship.

"Here's what we in America ought to hate: ungrateful motherfuckers. George Bush is one ungrateful motherfucker. Here he is, our goddamned President, who every time he has stumbled in his life, every time he has faced adversity or failure, has had a goose down pillow waiting for his ass when he hit the ground. What's so frustrating about the whole Air National Guard debacle is not that he weaseled out of his commitment. It's that he's not grateful for every break he's ever gotten. We who hate Bush hate him because he acts as if his stupid-ass luck of being born into one of the most powerful families in the world entitles him to be a complete motherfucker."

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Kerry didn't lie about Cambodia.

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Um yes he did if he claimed that he was in Cambodia on Xmas Day 1968 and Nixon was president.

Who are you quoting Nbadan? Yourself?

And Al Gore was not an ungrateful mofo? Was he not a "senator's son"?

Kerry friggin joined the Naval Reserves in order to get out of being drafted into the Army and only by a twist of fate did he end up in combat. Kerry wasn't born a pauper and certainly isn't one now.

Reagan and Clinton. Now those were a couple of self-made individuals.

Drudge has hilarious lead story about The Dan right now...different typesets...good stuff

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Here's the transcript of Rather's "on the street" interview with CNN:

Rather: The story is true. And the questions raised in the story are serious and legitimate questions.

The questions are: Did Lt. Bush refuse a direct order from a military superior in time of war? That's Question One. Question Two: was he suspended for failure to perform up tothe standards of the U.S. Air Force and the Texas National Guard? That's Number Two.

Three. Did he ever take the physical he was ordered to take by his military superior? Or if he didn't take that physical, why didn't he take that physical?

I want to emphasize that I stand behind my president. We're in a time of war and I stand behind my president. There's no joy in reporting such a story, but my job as a journalist is not to be afraid and when we come up with facts and legitimate questions that are supported by witnesses and documents which we believe to be authentic, to raise those questions no matter how unpleasant they are.

I do want to underscore with you that the White House took their shots at us today. The Bush Cheney campaign took their shots at us. They have not answered the question: did or did not the president obey a direct order from his military superior while he was a lieutenant, was he or was he not suspended for failure to meet performance standard of the Air Force and TANG, if he didn't take the physical, why didn't he take the physical? Also, one of the questions that's out there, where is the efficiency report every officer, particularly a flying officer, is supposed to have a yearly efficiency report. There is no such report for the last year. I emphasize again that there is no joy in asking these questions, but I think these are legitimate questions and I stand by the story.

Q. I wonder how you feel about the whole investigation

Rather: What investigation?

Q. We read that CBS is doing an internal invest

Rather: Where did you read that?

Q. Unintelligible

Rather: You should stay away from rumor mills. Where did you read that?

Q. The Washington Post article

Rather: No. They didn't say that in the Washington Post article. I don't want to argue with you. You were asking about a rumor. You know the internet is filled with all kinds of rumors. I like a rumor as much as the next fella. But it's umportant to recognize what's a rumor and what's a fact. Sometimes the rumors are true. In this case they're not. There's no internal investigation. I'm happy in my work, as you can see. I'm proud of our story. I'm proud of CBS News I'm proud of the team I work with and stand with them completely. I appreciate the sources who took risks to authenticate our story. One - there's no internal invest. Two - someone may be shellshocked but it is not I and not anybody at CBS news. And you can tell who's shellshocked by the ferocity of people who are spreading these rumors.

Q. When there's significant evidence that those documents may have been forged or created at a later date, do you think there's any requirement or are you considering any kind of apology or retraction"?

Rather: Number One. I know that this story is true. I believe the witnesses and documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they had not been. There isn't going to be an apology . . . hasn't even been discussed, nor should there be.

I want to make clear to you this story is true. And more important questions than how we got the story which is where those who don't like the story would like to put the emphasis. The more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story.

Basically Strong's view is that the documents are "compatible" with his view of the Guard and Killian. I really wonder what his view of George W. Bush might be. Also, from whom did Rather obtain the documents? (Probably the DNC). Didn't catch if Rather had any expert on authenticating documents on. Caught the tail end of the handwriting expert. Someone could have easily copied his signature.

Did CBS interview Rufus Martin?

apnews.myway.com/article/...UGD82.html

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The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time said he believes the documents are fake.

"They looked to me like forgeries," said Rufus Martin. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.

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Did CBS interview Killian's widow and son? They believe the documents are fake.

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But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos. Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.

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And of course Rather interviews "an author who has written two books critical of President Bush" to give his view on what this means.

Again, this is clearly a Demo setup and Rather is the mouthpiece for it. The real question is what is this designed to do. Personally I think they are headed towards suggesting that Bush missed the physical because he was a cokehead just like Kitty Kelley claims. Of course Kerry needed something to hit Bush on after the convention and with the 9/11 anniversary tomorrow.

Again, if all this is about is that Bush got into the guard due to the influence of his dad and that he missed a physical, well, this tempest in a teapot is over.

Sounds like its legit. CBS did its homework. The critics apparently did not.

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CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos

NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2004



Rather: It’s Real




"The documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content."
CBS News statement

A decorated Vietnam combat veteran, John Kerry recently has faced questions over his record as a Navy officer and an anti-war protester. (Photo: AP)


Dig Deeper
MORE INFORMATION
View the following documents obtained by 60 Minutes:

• Memorandum, May 4, 1972

• Memo to File, May 19, 1972

• Memorandum For Record,
Aug. 1, 1972

• Memo to File, Aug. 18, 1973

Read a transcript of Dan Rather's interview with Ben Barnes:

Also view documents released by the White House reflecting President Bush's National Guard service:

• Memo from retired Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd on whether Mr. Bush satisfied Guard requirements

• Personnel Card listing points Mr. Bush earned from May 1972 to May 1973

• Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from October 1972 to May 1973

• Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from May 1973 to July 1973

• Pay Record listing days of service in 1972 and 1973, along with computer printouts of each quarter

• Dental Record showing the results of a dental examination Mr. Bush had on Jan. 6, 1973.



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(CBS/AP) Questions have been raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos acquired by CBS News that say President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush was shirking his duties.

The network is defending the authenticity of the memos, which were obtained by CBS News' "60 Minutes," saying experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Mr. Bush's former commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

In a statement, CBS News said it stands by its story.

"This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking," the statement read.

"In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement continued. "Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned."

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather says many of those raising questions about the documents have focused on something called superscript, a key that automatically types a raised "th."

Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the 1970s. But some models did. In fact, other Bush military records already released by the White House itself show the same superscript – including one from 1968.

Some analysts outside CBS say they believe the typeface on these memos is New Times Roman, which they claim was not available in the 1970s.

But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style says it has been available since 1931.

Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley analyzed the documents for CBS News. He says he believes they are real. But he is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents, because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced. And the documents being analyzed outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with.

Matley did this interview with us prior to Wednesday's "60 Minutes" broadcast. He looked at the documents and the signatures of Col. Killian, comparing known documents with the colonel's signature on the newly discovered ones.

"We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features to determine whether it's the same person or not," Matley said. "I have no problem identifying them. I would say based on our available handwriting evidence, yes, this is the same person."

Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence.

Reached Friday by satellite, Matley said, "Since it is represented that some of them are definitely his, then we can conclude they are his signatures."


Matley said he's not surprised that questions about the documents have come up.

"I knew going in that this was dynamite one way or the other. And I knew that potentially it could do far more potential damage to me professionally than benefit me," he said. "But we seek the truth. That's what we do. You're supposed to put yourself out, to seek the truth and take what comes from it."

Robert Strong was an administrative officer for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years. He knew Jerry Killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paper work, like these documents, was Strong's specialty. He is standing by his judgment that the documents are real.

"They are compatible with the way business was done at that time," Strong said. "They are compatible with the man I remember Jerry Killian being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation or the people involved."

Killian died in 1984.

Strong says the highly charged political atmosphere of the National Guard at the time was perfectly represented in the new documents.

"It verged on outright corruption in terms of the favors that were done, the power that was traded. And it was unconscionable from a moral and ethical standpoint. It was unconscionable," Strong said.

The president's service record emerged as an issue during the 2000 race and again this winter. The Killian documents revived the issue of Mr. Bush's time in uniform after weeks in which Democratic challenger John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, has faced questions over his record as a Navy officer and an anti-war protester.

The questions about Mr. Bush's service center on how Mr. Bush got into the Guard and whether he fulfilled his duties during a period from mid-1972 to mid-1973.

What the Killian memos purport to show is that Mr. Bush defied a direct order to appear for a physical exam, that his performance as an officer was lacking in other ways and that Mr. Bush used family connections to try to quash any inquiry into his lapses.

In a separate revelation, the Boston Globe this week reported that Mr. Bush promised to sign up with a Boston-area unit when he left his Texas unit in 1973 to attend Harvard Business School. Mr. Bush never signed up with a Boston unit.

©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Sounds like its legit. CBS did its homework. The critics apparently did not.

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Oh get fucking real. CBS claims they got these documents out of the blue and of course they are sitting on the "originals" which of course the "critics" don't have access to. CBS offered very little in the way of an honest and fair assessment of those documents.

Lest we forget they had Kerry fundraiser Ben Barnes making an accusation against Bush with only himself as the source.

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Reached Friday by satellite, Matley said, "Since it is represented that some of them are definitely his, then we can conclude they are his signatures."

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Oh of course. Since these are supposed to be his documents and well, because I think the signature looks like his it must be his.

And again, this means very little if true. But the bias exhibited by CBS News in this report (why won't they offer to have other experts authenticate the original documents? where was the interview of Killian's son? Killian's wife? Mr. Martin?) clearly shows that it is little more than a mouthpiece of the DNC and the Kerry campaign.

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CBS claims they got these documents out of the blue and of course they are sitting on the "originals"

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Wrong they got them from the pentagon.

If they have only one original how are they supposed to distribute it? Some Bush supporter would gladly destroy the documents. Besides its only a matter of time before they distribute them. They probably needed to reverify them in the last 24 hours.

Keep trying.

So what do the "critics" have to say? How dare they question the mighty Dan Rather and his one sided view of the news!

qando.net/archives/004070.htm

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A compendium of the Evidence
Posted by Dale Franks

The blogosphere has been all over the CBS documents, but all the information is parceled out in penny packets all over the place. At the request of a reader, I thought I'd try to consolidate them into a single post. This is not canonical, of course, just the stuff I know about.

Typographical Arguments

The use of superscripted "th" in unit names, e.g. 187th. This was a highly unusual feature, available only on extremely expensive typewriters at the time.

The use of proportional fonts was, similarly, restricted to a small number of high-end typewriters.

The text of the memos appear to use letter kerning, a physical impossibility for any typewriter at the time.

Apostrophes in the documents use curled serifs. Typewriters used straight hash marks for both quotation marks and apostrophes.

The font appears indistinguishable from the Times New Roman computer font. While the Times Roman and Times fonts were rare, but available, in some typewriters at the time, the letters in Times Roman and Times took up more horizontal space than Times New Roman does. Times New Roman is exclusively a computer font.

Reproductions of the memos in Microsoft Word using 12pt TNR and the default Word page setup are indistinguishable from the memos when superimposed.

The typed squadron letterhead is centered on the page, an extremely difficult operation to perform manually.

Several highly reputable forensic document specialists have publicly stated their opinions that the documents were most likely computer generated, and hence, are forgeries.

The numeral 4 has no "foot" serif and a closed top. This is indicative of the Times New Roman Font, used exclusively by computers.


Stylistic Arguments

The memos do not use the proper USAF letterhead, in required use since 1948. Instead they are typed. In general, typed letterhead is restricted to computer-generated orders, which were usually printed by teletype, chain printer or daisy-wheel printer, the latter looking like a typed letter. Manually typed correspondence is supposed to use official USAF letterhead. However, even special orders, which used a typed letterhead, were required to use ALL CAPS in the letterhead.

The typed Letterhead gives the address as "Houston, Texas". The standard formulation for addresses at USAF installations should require the address to read "Ellington AFB, Texas".

Killian's signature block should read:

RICHARD B. KILLIAN, Lt Col, TexANG
Commander

This is the required USAF formulation for a signature block.

Lt Col Killian's signature should be aligned to the left side of the page. Indented signature blocks are not a USAF standard.

The rank abbreviations are applied inconsistently and incorrectly, for example the use of periods in USAF rank abbreviations is incorrect. The modern formulation for rank abbreviations for the lieutenant grades in the USAF is 2Lt and 1Lt. In 1973, it may well have been 2nd Lt and 1st Lt, but that certainly wasn't correct in 1984, when I entered active duty, so I find the rank abbreviation questionable, and, in any event, they would not have included periods. Lt Col Killian's abbreviations are pretty much universally incorrect in the memos.

The unit name abbreviations use periods. This is incorrect. USAF unit abbreviations use only capital letters with no periods. For example, 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron would be abbreviated as 111th FIS, not 111th F.I.S.
The Formulation used in the memos, i.e., "MEMORANDOM FOR 1st Lt. Bush..." is incorrect. A memo would be written on plain (non-letterhead) paper, with the top line reading "MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD".

An order from a superior, directing a junior to perform a specific task would not be in the memorandum format as presented. Instead, it would use the USAF standard internal memo format, as follows:

FROM: Lt Col Killian, Richard B.

SUBJECT: Annual Physical Examination (Flight)

TO: 1Lt Bush, George W.

Documents that are titled as MEMORANDUM are used only for file purposes, and not for communications.

The memos use the formulation "...in accordance with (IAW)..." The abbreviation IAW is a universal abbreviation in the USAF, hence it is not spelled out, rather it is used for no other reason than to eliminate the word "in accordance with" from official communications. There are several such universal abbreviation, such as NLT for "no later than".

The title of one of the memos is CYA, a popular euphemism for covering one's...ahem...posterior. It is doubtful that any serving officer would use such a colloquialism in any document that might come under official scrutiny.


Personal Arguments

The records purport to be from Lt Col Killian's "personal files", yet, they were not obtained from his family, but through some unknown 3rd party. It is an odd kind of "personal file" when the family of a deceased person is unaware of the file's existence and it is not in their possession.

Both Lt Col Killian's wife and son, as well as the EAFB personnel officer do not find the memos credible.

Keeping such derogatory personal memos , while at the same time, writing glowing OERs for Mr. Bush would be unwise for any officer. At best, it would raise serious questions about why his private judgments differed so radically from his official ones, should they ever come to light. At worst, they would raise questions about whether Lt Col Killian falsified official documents. As Lt Col Killian's son, himself a retired USAF officer, has said, nothing good can come of keeping such files.

The reasons above constitute a very reasonable basis for serious questions about the legitimacy of the memos distributed by CBS. In light oif them, it seems to me that CBS has a positive duty to disclose as much information about the provenance and authenticity of the memos as possible. So far, their response has been, "We think they're true, so do not question us!" That is an understandable reaction, and, indeed, it's much the same as that of the German magazine Stern, when it claimed to have found Adolph Hitler's diaries in the 1980s.

It is not a helpful response, however, and it indicates that CBS is, at this point, far more interested in performing CYA operations than it is in getting to the bottom of these questions.

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Wrong they got them from the pentagon.

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Wrong. They got them from his "personal file." Funny the family doesn't recall such a thing.

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If they have only one original how are they supposed to distribute it? Some Bush supporter would gladly destroy the documents.

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Oh get real there are ways to get a second and third opinon without risking damage to the originals. After all this is so important!

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Besides its only a matter of time before they distribute them. They probably needed to reverify them in the last 24 hours.

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THEY DIDN'T. Who provided the second opinions?

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Keep trying.

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If anyone is trying to argue against reality 'tis you. I mean if you really believe CBS' one sided bullshit reporting you need some help.

So much for Hodges...

abcnews.go.com/sections/p...d_Now.html

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HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS: Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud".

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But...but...but...

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Wrong. They got them from his "personal file." Funny the family doesn't recall such a thing.

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You are misinformed they got it from the Lt Cols files in millitary possesion, not some personal files he kept at home. They were in a file of records. Exactly where you would expect to find such a thing.

Still going on about the "th" thing? Really?

And you're still ignoring the fact that there is a major general who was an eyewitness to these docs.

Keep wishing. This thing is so over and you got your dick hard over nothing.

L8rs.

Right. I thought you said the last 5 times AWOL came up?

I think Dan Rather is senile and that DeSPURate is his nephew.

Why is this the only multi-word quote from Hodges?

"well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Still no denial from the WH either? Their silence is deafening.

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Why would the WH have to issue a denial?

This thing is blowing up in the face of CBS and the Demoncrats, and all they have to do is sit back and watch it.

The public backlash is going to give Bush an even bigger boost. Hell, it might put the nail in Kerry's coffin if it is determined that CBS forged documents to attack Bush, especially if it can in anyway be traced back to the Democratic party (which seems to already be happening).

In short, the WH is smart for keeping its collective mouth shut on this, CBS might drop the election right in Bush's lap without the WH even commenting on it.

These are cute little GIFs you're showing us, DeSPURado, but i wonder if you've ever seen the deterioration caused by copy and fax machines. It's often more drastic that the difference shown in your pictures.

Nice GIF DeSPURate...what's it show?

...uncle?

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More challenges about whether Bush documents are authentic

By Pete Slover
The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN, Texas — The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service record shows.

An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18, 1973.

<There's More>

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Then there's this. No only is Ratherbiased's "expert," and expert in handwriting -- not typography -- he's apparently a rather unethical one:

The Expert Ambush
How to hold off your opponent until the cavalry arrives.
RATHERBIASED'S EXPERT>>By: Marcel Matley<<RATHERBIASED'S EXPERT

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"The expert ambush need not be a handwriting expert [<< or a typography expert -Y.]; it could be any kind of expert. Since I know about handwriting, I will use it to illustrate how to hold out until you can call in your own expert trooper, of whatever brand expert. Not being an attorney, I cannot tell you about laws and rules, only about techniques for taking the upper hand over the expert who knows it all, while you know nothing at all about that expertise."

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HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS

"Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were 'handwritten' and after CBS read him excerpts he said, 'well if he wrote them that's what he felt.'"

"Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been 'computer generated' and are a 'fraud'."

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Oooops, messy journalism there, Dan.

And, let's not forget Amy Barnes calling her dad a liar on the radio:

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AUDIO - Daughter of Ben Barnes Disputes Father's Claims as Political

CROWLEY: "So, I hate to put you in this position, but I will ask you, do you think your father, Ben Barnes who was on '60 Minutes II' with Dan Rather last night – do you believe that he lied on the air to the American people last night about President Bush?"

BARNES: "Yes, I do. I absolutely do. And I think he's doing he's doing it for purely political, opportunistic reasons – trying to get John Kerry elected and trying to make Bush look like the bad person. ... Like I said, he's going to be trying to promote his book that he's got coming out."

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So, Dan, you keep talking about fonts and superscripts and such. We'll just watch Dan Rather's career and John Kerry's Presidential campaign go down in flames.

Mind if I call you Nero from here out?

Wait! There's more.

Apparently, Dan nixed airing an interview with the President's roommate at the time because, it didn't fit the "template." He was too "Pro-Bush."

No, there's no agenda here...

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'60 Minutes': Witness Who Contradicted Forged Docs Was Too 'Pro-Bush'

In addition to challenging the central premise of the CBS report - that his father felt pressured to cover up Bush's allegedly sub par Guard performance - Gary Killian urged ['60 Minutes producer Mary] Mapes to interview Dean Roome, who roomed with Bush during his time in the Guard.

Ms. Mapes explained that "60 Minutes" had already conducted the interview, but was unlikely to include Roome's account in their report, telling Killian Jr.: "We think he is pretty pro-Bush."

Killian detailed his interview with Mapes to ABC radio host Sean Hannity on Friday, explaining that both he and his stepmother had been contacted by "60 Minutes."

But like Roome, their comments wound up on the cutting room floor.

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How can this be, I thought there was a conservative slant in the media.

Or at least that's what Nbadunce tells me.

:rollin

Killian Memo Has Wrong Deadline, Cites Wrong Regulation

Still waiting to hear from DeSPURate or Nbadan on these issues.

Well, like a typical liberal, when the going gets tough they change the topic.

I can't figure out what it's gonna be though...

1. Bush invaded Iraq for oil.
2. It wasn't AQ on 9/11, it was a WH conspiracy
3. Bush smoked weed when he was young.
4. [insert new Michael Moore film here]

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So, Dan, you keep talking about fonts and superscripts and such. We'll just watch Dan Rather's career and John Kerry's Presidential campaign go down in flames.

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The truth is always the best cleanser of scoundrels and weasels, and eventually the truth will be told...

Looks like Bouffard now knows the truth...

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After CBS News on Wednesday trumpeted newly discovered documents that referred to a 1973 effort to ''sugar coat" President Bush's service record in the Texas Air National Guard, the network almost immediately faced charges that the documents were forgeries, with typography that was not available on typewriters used at that time.

But specialists interviewed by the Globe and some other news organizations say the specialized characters used in the documents, and the type format, were common to electric typewriters in wide use in the early 1970s, when Bush was a first lieutenant.

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Bouffard, the Ohio document specialist, said that he had dismissed the Bush documents in an interview with The New York Times because the letters and formatting of the Bush memos did not match any of the 4,000 samples in his database. But Bouffard yesterday said that he had not considered one of the machines whose type is not logged in his database: the IBM Selectric Composer. Once he compared the Bush memos to Selectric Composer samples obtained from Interpol, the international police agency, Bouffard said his view shifted.

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And, let's not forget Amy Barnes calling her dad a liar on the radio:

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Let's consider other quotes by Ms. Barnes. on the Sean Insannity show, not surpringly, less than 48 hours after Ben Barnes made his allegations against W on 60 minutes

"I am a avid Bush Supporter"

"I love Bush so much, I can't hardly see straight, always have always will"

"I was only 6 years old when my dad first mentioned George Bush"

"I voted for Bush in 2000"

and on and on and on...

:rolleyes

yeah, no bias there from Ms. Barnes

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Apparently, Dan nixed airing an interview with the President's roommate at the time because, it didn't fit the "template." He was too "Pro-Bush."

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Yeah, and Killian's fast turnaround on the Sean Insanity show did nothing to dispel the speculation that he, and most likely Roome were busy planning to play partisan politics with this whole issue about already vetted documents. I'm telling you, there's no better way to shoot your credibility down the crapper than to appear on that show, not surprisingly, the only national show he and Ms. Barnes have appear on (and on the same day), after all, we all know how Sean throws softballs to his 'Great American' guests.

Nice.

I thought you'd stay with fonts and superscripts.

And Amy Barnes never told a contradictory story under oath.

You're speculating about Roome.

What about the handwriting expert?

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HERE’S “INSIDE SKINNY” ON THE RATHER-BUSH/GOP SMACKDOWN!

Dan Rather is a Texas native. He was born and raised outside Houston and then after completing college, cut his television journalist teeth at a National network station in Houston.

He took on the Bush Family "Texas Mafia"(BFTM) several times in the early 70's, and this current situation is more of the "blood feud" between he and H.W. Bush. Dan Rather is very solid, a real pro, first-class credibility (unlike those flake GOP-ops reporters at Fox), and will NOT back down from a deal that he knows he is right. I/we have never seen Dan do it once in 35 years!

The Bush Family Texas Mafia (BFTM) tries to destroy anyone that takes them on, hell just look at their damn track record. You all know this!

More importantly, we will make some phone calls on this deal, and in particular if CBS “60 Minutes” has something cooking to bag the BFTM on several matters we are aware. We keep hearing "little things" on this subject, plus the Washington Post has been digging on this next deal for over a year.

It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office.

The big kicker is Bob “$200,000 donor to O’Neill’s SBVT” Perry (Houston) is involved with DeLay in his criminal enterprise and we mean BIG TIME! Also eleven (11) other BFTM members are involved, in varying degree, including the Texas Governor and other ranking elected State officials, and many of them could go to jail over this deal.

The BFTM is doing everything possible to keep the lid on it, and also get W elected. BFTM needs W elected so he can do Presidential Pardons for BFTM Enron buddies, (Ken Lay), DeLay, Perry, and others that get convicted and sent to prison over this massive criminal enterprise.

That in a nutshell is what’s going on with all the Bush-Cheney-GOP totally outright fraud in their campaign. They don’t have a platform to run on, so the con and fraud game is all they got!

They are going nuts because Rather stuck his nose in it. If you recall Dan Rather has stayed pretty neutral in his reporting on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud scam. We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR

PS: It should be noted that CBS is owned by Viacom. 70-75% of campaign donations by Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee, have gone to the Democratic Party and its candidates. Just some interest info, nothing else!

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Email Special Thank You to Dan Rather: [email protected]
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So, it's nice to know we have a vendetta-seeking asshole masquerading as an objective journalist.

Surely, his zeal for a negative story wouldn't cause him to fudge the facts or jump to conclusions or supress exculpatory information...nah.

I noticed they talked about Perry and his $200,000 donation to the Swiftees who, spent about $500,000 punching holes in the U.S.S. Lying Kerry.

But, has anyone said anything, in the mainstream media, about this Soros character giving over $5,000,000 to MoveOn.org, and organization that has spent about $10,000,000 bashing Bush, without affect?

New Killian memos have also surfaced that support CBS's story..

New CBS Documents

Document 5 is the kicker.

I'm betting they've hired a new forger with a better product.

CBS Won't Deny Kerry Link to Forged Docs

Ruh Roh, Rastro!

Texas Guard Director: '60 Minutes' Doc 'Forged as Hell'

They should have, maybe, consulted with some document experts before they created them, huh?

Only One Expert Sided With '60 Minutes'

Well, make that three 'experts', with DeSPURate and Nbadan.

:lol

The fucking morons are still arguing that the memos are not fakes?

Everything will be ok kiddies :baby

It paints the picture of Demoncrats swimming in shit screaming..."we're ahead. we're ahead":rollin

Dan, the guy was freakin' retired when they say this was written.

Give it up already.

...for this fire.

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From Neal Boortz, this morning:

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"All CBS had to do to make the case that these documents were real was to come up with a typewriter capable of producing these documents in 1973. Oh ... and it has to be a typewriter that one could reasonably expect a National Guard Lt. Colonel who doesn't type might have available for his use. So, Saturday night CBS did just that. They came out with a report that the IBM Selectric Composer could produce the type and the effects that were found on Killian's memos. The Boston Globe also reported Saturday that their document expert said that the documents could have been composed on an IBM Selectric Composer which was available at the time the documents were written. U.S. News & World Report is getting in on the action by referring to an 'IBM Selectric Composer typewriter which [was] commonly used in 1972.z'"

"Not so fast. Even though CBS referred to the IBM Selectric Composer as a 'typewriter,' that's like referring to a Mont Blanc as a 'ballpoint.' Just do a little Googling with the words 'IBM Selectric Composer' and you'll find that it isn't just a 'typewriter,' it's a typesetting machine. It was used to produce justified camera-ready copy for publications. The price for this machine in the early 1970's was from $3,500 to $4,500 dollars. In 2004 dollars that would be from $16,000 to $22,000. If you want to believe that a National Guard Lt. Col. typed memos in 1973 on a 'typewriter' with an equivalent cost of $20,000, you go ahead. You should know, however, that the Air National Guard, then and now, generally receives much of its equipment as hand-me-downs from the Air Force."

"CBS, the Boston Globe and other media outlets have a problem. They are institutionally dedicated to the idea of doing everything they can get away with to make sure that George Bush is defeated in November and that John Kerry becomes the 44th president of the United States. 60 Minutes, which, by the way, has quite a history of using false and forged documents in its stories, apparently has done so again. Dan Rather and his associates know that if CBS steps forward and admits that it was duped, that they used faked and forged documents in a story designed to attack the credibility of George Bush, the assumption is going to be that those documents came from the Kerry campaign. Now I know of no evidence whatsoever that Kerry or his campaign staff was behind these forged documents, but millions of Americans, Americans who may now be on the electoral fence, are going to think that's the case. How, then, does CBS come forward and admit that they were duped without creating a backlash against Kerry?

"I suspect that they're working on that problem at this very moment."

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Okay, I think that'll burn through the night...

What do you think Nbadanallah? How 'bout you DeSPURate?
http://www.ibmcomposer.org/SelCompos...rochurePic.jpg
About $20,000 in today's dollars.

Does that price include MS Office 2003?

Well, what do you know, there's an IBM Selectric Composer expert with a website:

Have fun guys!

The IBM Selectric Composer

Too bad Dan didn't consult with him first.

We live in a world of $600 dollar per toilet seats and you think two lietenant colonels can't invoice the purchase of a $2,000 typesetter? I don't know if the CBS documents are forged or not, I suspect we will never truely know, however the point that the documents make is very clear, Hodges even agreed that 'this was the feeling expressed to him by Killian to him at the time'. W. skirted his duty in the Alabama national guard in 1973.

The key to this whole fiasco is Albert c. Lloyd Jr.. He is former personal director for the Texas Air National guard who certified W. as having accumalated 56 sevice points between May 1972 and May 1973. W. got those 56 points by accumalating 41 points appearing for duty for for only 25 days and received 15 "gratuitous" points for being in the military.

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The document shows he satisfactorily completed his military obligation for that year," Lloyd said

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Boston.com

However, the documents also show that W's commanders were concerned that no one had seen W. in Alabama, most pilots accumalated well over 56 yearly points and the U.S. government did spend $1 million dollars teaching W. how to fly, so they called him to duty in May, June, and July. W. never showed in June and July.

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Other records, which were disclosed four years ago, show that Bush was ordered to appear for a flurry of duty days in May, June, and July 1973 -- orders that Lloyd said in 2000 may have been issued because Bush's commanders realized he had not been fulfilling his requirements. The records obtained yesterday indicate that Bush would not have made his minimum for that year but for seven days of duty in May 1973.

His final duty day was on July 30, 1973, even though he signed a commitment to fly for the unit until November 1974.

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Boston.com

According to military rules, W. could have been activated for duty in Vietnam, but knowing that the war was winding down, and many other pilots where doing the same thing W. probably didn't think much about skirting the rest of his Air Guard commitment.

Nbadan chooses to go down with the ship.

Gotta give 'im credit for loyalty.

The W. ship is springing leaks all over the place, and Rove and G.H.W.Bush are having trouble holding the boat together...

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A review of President Bush's Guard years raises issues about the time he served
By Kit R. Roane

Last February, White House spokesman Scott McClellan held aloft sections of President Bush's military record, declaring to the waiting press that the files "clearly document the president fulfilling his duties in the National Guard." Case closed, he said.

But last week the controversy reared up once again, as several news outlets, including U.S. News, disclosed new information casting doubt on White House claims.

A review of the regulations governing Bush's Guard service during the Vietnam War shows that the White House used an inappropriate--and less stringent--Air Force standard in determining that he had fulfilled his duty. Because Bush signed a six-year "military service obligation," he was required to attend at least 44 inactive-duty training drills each fiscal year beginning July 1. But Bush's own records show that he fell short of that requirement, attending only 36 drills in the 1972-73 period, and only 12 in the 1973-74 period. The White House has said that Bush's service should be calculated using 12-month periods beginning on his induction date in May 1968. Using this time frame, however, Bush still fails the Air Force obligation standard.

Moreover, White House officials say, Bush should be judged on whether he attended enough drills to count toward retirement. They say he accumulated sufficient points under this grading system. Yet, even using their method, which some military experts say is incorrect, U.S. News 's analysis shows that Bush once again fell short. His military records reveal that he failed to attend enough active-duty training and weekend drills to gain the 50 points necessary to count his final year toward retirement.

The U.S. News analysis also showed that during the final two years of his obligation, Bush did not comply with Air Force regulations that impose a time limit on making up missed drills. What's more, he apparently never made up five months of drills he missed in 1972, contrary to assertions by the administration. White House officials did not respond to the analysis last week but emphasized that Bush had "served honorably."

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But, you see Nbadanallah, people (other than extreme partisans) have to care...and, quite frankly, they don't.

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