Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

Tbh, the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge now makes me think that something sour might have gone on. I still think there's tons of unanswered questions from Trayvon's family (which will need to be answered in a civil suit) and hate how the media/groups/basketball players are whoring it out as a "hate crime" but it definately feels like the cops stopped short of something cuz his daddy was a judge.

If not for the death threats on Zimmerman, I'd say the police dept should be the most worried.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

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Do these people expect an autopsy on a live person?

My God. They think we are defending the shooter, when it's not that at all. We are pointing out stupidity.

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what we expect is for an investigation and drug / alcohol test of a person that just discharged his weapon and killed another person...and person who the cops already know has a history of over reacting (like calling 911; 46 times in one month) that's an unstable person...

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

Tbh, the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge now makes me think that something sour might have gone on. I still think there's tons of unanswered questions from Trayvon's family (which will need to be answered in a civil suit) and hate how the media/groups/basketball players are whoring it out as a "hate crime" but it definately feels like the cops stopped short of something cuz his daddy was a judge.

If not for the death threats on Zimmerman, I'd say the police dept should be the most worried.

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It is a hate crime...he hated blacks because blacks had been breaking into homes in his community...he didn't personally know Trayvon that's besides the point all we know is he hated Blacks...and if you look further into this case he was assaulted by blacks when he was a 17 or 18 himself - so he definitely had reason to hate...

I say put in a needle in him...if it was my son and this guy got off..I'd have him murdered tbh

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I didn't know this guy was arrested for violently resisting arrest in the past. Someone explain to me how he still had a CHL???? Back to Viva's point, I would sue the HELL out of the state of Florida if I was the parents.

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and if he got away with it in the courts I would have him murdered if it was my son

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

It is a hate crime...he hated blacks because blacks had been breaking into homes in his community...he didn't personally know Trayvon that's besides the point all we know is he hated Blacks...and if you look further into this case he was assaulted by blacks when he was a 17 or 18 himself - so he definitely had reason to hate...

I say put in a needle in him...if it was my son and this guy got off..I'd have him murdered tbh

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It's not a hate crime he didn't kill him cause he was black. He thought he was commiting a crime cause he was black.

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

It is a hate crime...he hated blacks because blacks had been breaking into homes in his community...he didn't personally know Trayvon that's besides the point all we know is he hated Blacks...and if you look further into this case he was assaulted by blacks when he was a 17 or 18 himself - so he definitely had reason to hate...

I say put in a needle in him...if it was my son and this guy got off..I'd have him murdered tbh

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This is trial by media, and we've only heard one side of the story/tapes. I think, in the end, Zimmerman gets off relatively easier than the police dept does for not doing their job correctly at the start. Black people are coming out in support of Zimmerman, but folks watching TV WANT this to be about race and the liberal media wants to push anti-gun legislation because IMO Zimmerman should not have been allowed to carry a gun.

I don't care if he got beat up by blacks when he was a kid, I care about the facts that night and then take it from there. And nobody has access to those facts because 1) they aren't released or 2) the cops didn't follow proper procedure.

Besides, everyone is racist on some level (sub-conscious for most), so I don't even stress by trying to find evidence for something that's a fact no matter what. It's just that it's gotta be proven you're racist enough to kill, and I don't see anything that proves that here.

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

and if he got away with it in the courts I would have him murdered if it was my son

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Of course, cuz you sent your son out in da pouring rain on foot (to leave a gated community, come back to the gated community) and had a good enough relationship with your son to where he knows he can call you, HIS FATHER, if a fat mexican in an SUV is trailing him on the way back from the corner store.

I'd prolly pour some Colt 45 out for ya boy, but I wouldn't pour shit out for you as a father.

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

what we expect is for an investigation and drug / alcohol test of a person that just discharged his weapon and killed another person...and person who the cops already know has a history of over reacting (like calling 911; 46 times in one month) that's an unstable person...

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He didn't call 46 times in one month. As I remember it that was over an 8 year period.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

It's not a hate crime he didn't kill him cause he was black. He thought he was commiting a crime cause he was black.

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illogical given the facts..if you want to be intellectually honest then your post would have read like this: "It's not a hate crime he didn't kill him cause he was black. He thought he was committing a crime because he was black so he killed him.

the perfect reason to make it a hate crime...targeting black guys...and killing them

Still way too damn high. This guys history paints a picture of someone who really wanted to be the good guy in a fucking action movie. Or at the least in an episode of cops.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Still way too damn high. This guys history paints a picture of someone who really wanted to be the good guy in a fucking action movie. Or at the least in an episode of cops.

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Agreed. He sounds like a creepy busybody. I'm still not ready to wish the death penalty on him without more facts.

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

illogical given the facts..if you want to be intellectually honest then your post would have read like this: "It's not a hate crime he didn't kill him cause he was black. He thought he was committing a crime because he was black so he killed him.

the perfect reason to make it a hate crime...targeting black guys...and killing them

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He didnt target him to kill him he targeted him cause he thought he was committing a crime.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Still way too damn high. This guys history paints a picture of someone who really wanted to be the good guy in a fucking action movie. Or at the least in an episode of cops.

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True, this guy ended up being the epitome of a pussy with a gun. Fat cause he didn't want to exercise, dumb cause he didn't want to learn. So go out and buys a gun to feel powerful.

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

This is trial by media, and we've only heard one side of the story/tapes. I think, in the end, Zimmerman gets off relatively easier than the police dept does for not doing their job correctly at the start. Black people are coming out in support of Zimmerman, but folks watching TV WANT this to be about race and the liberal media wants to push anti-gun legislation because IMO Zimmerman should not have been allowed to carry a gun.

I don't care if he got beat up by blacks when he was a kid, I care about the facts that night and then take it from there. And nobody has access to those facts because 1) they aren't released or 2) the cops didn't follow proper procedure.

Besides, everyone is racist on some level (sub-conscious for most), so I don't even stress by trying to find evidence for something that's a fact no matter what. It's just that it's gotta be proven you're racist enough to kill, and I don't see anything that proves that here.

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You're pretty delusional to think everyone is racist on some level. Perhaps you're getting prejudice , racism, bigotry, stereotyping, and fear all mixed up...If so I suggest you go back and study their definitions.
You're right about one thing...the only side of the story we're hearing is Zimmerman's because the kid is dead...

This is ALL about race...Since the FACTS show break-ins in his community was done by young black males and thus the reason "in his mind" for Zimmerman to go after him the first place makes it about race...we're not God so we can't attach a racism detector to Zimmerman's heart to determine his exact level of racism...we as imperfect humans determine that by Zimmerman's history, words, actions, and obvious motives.

"These assholes always get away" that statement alone by Zimmerman can really be served up on a conviction platter. Now he could have meant merely criminals or he could have meant young black criminals. We know for a fact based on testimony of others in the neighborhood he had a preoccupation with young black males...and according to your own theory perhaps that little racism that you claim we ALL have reared it's ugly head that night when he decided to give chase to this kid. Trayvon had no way of knowing about the break-ins in the neighborhood he was visiting...

Zimmerman was embolden by the fact he had a gun...there's no way either of us will chase a perp in the dark of the night if we don't think we have an advantage. He already had his mind made up that he was going to catch him and subdue him and if he couldn't get the upper hand he was going to shoot him...plain and simple...the fact that he had not caught any of the previous young black males who were actually criminals pushed him over the edge..he wasn't going to let this one get away...some basic and simple deductive and inductive reasoning is all this case takes... had this been a group of young black males that fat fuck would have stayed in his truck and waited on the cops because he wouldn't have been able to get the upper hand even with a gun...why? because the likely-hood that at least one of them would have been packing would have been high...

My view based on what I've read is that he developed an intense hatred for young black males...(and I can understand) that's fine...but even if Trayvon was there casing out homes that doesn't give a citizen the right to approach him to detain or ask questions, shoot him and then claim self defense...he's nothing but a wanna be cop and I gaurantee if he didn't have his gun with him that night he would have never gave chase..this was a pre-meditated murder based on Race...plain and simple

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

He didnt target him to kill him he targeted him cause he thought he was committing a crime.

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Do you think he would have chased the "criminal" of he didn't have his gun with him? :lol He targeted the criminal to kill him and he already knew about the stand your ground law he was just too stupid to understand the context in which it could be used...:lol

He planned to eventually kill this person all along...he approached a scared kid found out that he couldn't subdue him as easily as he thought and then resorted to plan B...shoot him...when the kid saw him reaching for his gun he started screaming for help and the kid was probably trying to prevent him from reaching the gun to pull the trigger...

Trayvon died heroically in my view fighting back against a stalker...

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Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man

Do you think he would have chased the "criminal" of he didn't have his gun with him? :lol He targeted the criminal to kill him and he already knew about the stand your ground law he was just too stupid to understand the context in which it could be used...:lol

He planned to eventually kill this person all along...he approached a scared kid found out that he couldn't subdue him as easily as he thought and then resorted to plan B...shoot him...when the kid saw him reaching for his gun he started screaming for help and the kid was probably trying to prevent him from reaching the gun to pull the trigger...

Trayvon died heroically in my view fighting back against a stalker...

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What about anything you said there makes it qualify to be prosecuted as a hate crime.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I would like George to go to jail for murder. That's what it is, imo. The problem is proving it in a court of law which I can't see them being able to do.

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Wrong. They can obviously prove the murder. When the defendant is attempting to get acquitted due to self defense while not disputing the fact he killed the victim, the burden of proof flips to him. He has to demonstrate a "reasonable human being" would fear for his life in that situation. A reasonable human being who weighs 240 pounds carrying a gun probably isn't fearing for his life due to an unarmed guy running away from him who weighs 160 pounds tops.

The problem isn't what would happen in court, the problem now is that the local police fucked so much up I doubt it ever makes it to court.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

What about anything you said there makes it qualify to be prosecuted as a hate crime.

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I left out the "Coons's statement in his 911 call...with all the corroborating evidence we have we'll make the appropriate racial tie-in...

Man where is Johnny Cochran when you need him....:lol

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Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

Wrong. They can obviously prove the murder. When the defendant is attempting to get acquitted due to self defense while not disputing the fact he killed the victim, the burden of proof flips to him. He has to demonstrate a "reasonable human being" would fear for his life in that situation. A reasonable human being who weighs 240 pounds carrying a gun probably isn't fearing for his life due to an unarmed guy running away from him who weighs 160 pounds tops.

The problem isn't what would happen in court, the problem now is that the local police fucked so much up I doubt it ever makes it to court.

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If that witness was there and they interviewed him the night of the shooting then he corroborates that the kid wasn't running away. Eyewitness trumps everything unless they can prove the witness is not credible, and so far they can't.

While I think it was a racially motivated crime there isn't anywhere near the right amount of evidence needed to prove that. They'd be able to find a linguistics expert who testifies that it's some random word other than coon. The fact the first question the 911 dispatcher asked was concerning race basically ends any chance that goes anywhere.

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That white woman who was a witness in the Tayvon Martin case I want to meet her..She looks like she can make "real good love"

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

If that witness was there and they interviewed him the night of the shooting then he corroborates that the kid wasn't running away. Eyewitness trumps everything unless they can prove the witness is not credible, and so far they can't.

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The eyewitness who said he told Martin to stop because he was gonna call 911, went upstairs and didn't call 911? I highly doubt Martin would have continued to beat on Zimmerman if he thought someone was calling 911. He would have stopped beating Zimmerman up and bolted out of there. That witness's testimony doesn't add up. I don't think that eyewitness was interviewed that night though, it was later on. The cops fucked this up royally regardless of what actually happened.

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Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

Wrong. They can obviously prove the murder. When the defendant is attempting to get acquitted due to self defense while not disputing the fact he killed the victim, the burden of proof flips to him. He has to demonstrate a "reasonable human being" would fear for his life in that situation.

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Not true......this is the worst part of the situation, and why I believe Z will eventually walk away without facing charges (short of them finding evidence that this was racially motivated). The burden of proof never shifts from the prosecution, as it should be. Unfortunately this hamstrings any effort to convict someone using this "stand your ground" defense.

Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

He didn't call 46 times in one month. As I remember it that was over an 8 year period.

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Neither. It was 46 times over approximately 14 months.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html

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Zimmerman called police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011 to report disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents. Nine of those times, he saw someone or something suspicious.

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