Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

I have not gone through this thread but last night Anderson Cooper had two potentiall eye-witnesses on his show. They pretty much screwed up their ability to testify. One of them essentially acknowledged that she changed her initial report to the police. The most competent witness of the two made a statement that she has been researching Zimmerman and his past isn't very clean.

If witnesses want to help, they would do the case a favor by not reporting their opinions on cable news tv. Just saying.

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“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”

“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for.’ And the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”

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If this is a true account, it supports Zimmerman's claim it was Martin who initiated the confrontation.

I also think it's a mistake to make the assumption there is a racial element to the incident because, if provably wrong, it make Zimmerman a sympathetic character and further insulates him against prosecution for any lesser offense such as criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter.

On the other hand, the racialists could relive their success of the Rodney King affair where 4 cops wrongly and criminally beat the living shit out of a man, not because he was black, but because he was an asshole that had just led them on a high-speed, life-threatening pursuit, by haranguing Florida authorities into making this a race crime, as well.

Either way, it matters little...just another sad story in America.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Joe Scarborough slammed the Florida PD and the AG morning on this issue. :tu

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MSNBC's has giving this sheep permission to be upset over this murder. Way to chime in and God bless.

I'm happy this case is getting national attention.

Ray Charles can tell this is another case of racism. Only just action is to lock the racist child killer in prison for the rest of his life.

"racialist" Yoni chimes in to slime the dead, unarmed black guy as possibly deserving to be murdered.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"racialist" Yoni chimes in to slime the dead, unarmed black guy as possibly deserving to be murdered.

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You didn't read the post.

I think Zimmerman probably committed a crime but, I'm not convinced he acted based on race and harping on about that only jeopardizes any case against him.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

If this is a true account, it supports Zimmerman's claim it was Martin who initiated the confrontation.

I also think it's a mistake to make the assumption there is a racial element to the incident because, if provably wrong, it make Zimmerman a sympathetic character and further insulates him against prosecution for any lesser offense such as criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter.

On the other hand, the racialists could relive their success of the Rodney King affair where 4 cops wrongly and criminally beat the living shit out of a man, not because he was black, but because he was an asshole that had just led them on a high-speed, life-threatening pursuit, by haranguing Florida authorities into making this a race crime, as well.

Either way, it matters little...just another sad story in America.

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It does not support his claim. And lol at you making sense of the Rodney King beating while you're at it. Great post!

So, let me get this straight. Pretend I start insulting some big hillbilly. I infer he's a product of incest. Now he's pissed off and tells me I better shut up. I ask him what he's going to do about it, then shove him.

Now he's really pissed off, and clocks me. I fall to the ground and see him threatening to rain some more blows down on me.

Do I now have the right to shoot him in these "Stand Your Ground" states, because I was fearing severe bodily harm?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

MSNBC's has giving this sheep permission to be upset over this murder. Way to chime in and God bless.

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My thought exactly, young Jack.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE how the MSM is so quick to call a person with 1 black and 1 white parent "black" and yet this fat mexican dude was automatically called "white" even tho he had 1 cinnamon and 1 white parent. Hilarious.

I'll be so happy when, after all the "we demand a federal hate crime investigation" shit doesn't go anywhere, people start to retract all the racism claims. It's so obvious this fat messican dude got all high and mighty and shot the first person that made looked at him the wrong way. It wasn't about race, it was about a power trip. And yes he deserves jail, but not for being a bigot.

LOL @ people claiming he got hurt and had no choice but to shoot. They told his ass to stay in the car, fuck that bullshit about checking street signs - it's a goddamn gated community.

Finally, where was the dead kid's dad when his son left the gated community, went to 7-11 in the rain (for some iced tea and skittles - no racist!), and then punched back the keycode to get back into the gate..,and WHY DIDN'T HE CALL HIS DAD INSTEAD OF HIS GURLFRIEND WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUS THERE WAS SOME DUDE FOLLOWING HIM IN THE GATED COMMUNITY THAT HE WAS VISITING? That chick heard his last breath, crazy shit mayne.

Anyway, everyone is wrong on this story. WRONG I TELL YA!

I wasn't there, so I don't know. But I think it's pretty amazing how so many of you know exactly what happened. None of what I'm about to say justifies a shooting, but it sure makes me wonder how so many of you can be so certain that he intentionally set out to shoot a child, or that his sole motivation was racial. If they ever legalize lynch mobs, some of you will be perfect for the job.


The neighborhood had recently had a rash of burgularies, and Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch [edit: just a guy watching his neighborhood, as per Ploto. Not on neighborhood watch.] It's a small gated neighborhood where most of the neighbors know each other. It was raining, and the guy was walking in the neighborhood looking at houses. When my neighborhood had a rash of break-ins, the neighborhood association told us to keep an eye out for people we didn't know, or unusual behavior. It seemed like good advice. Should they have told us not to take note of anyone who is black?

They keep showing pictures of the boy when he was 12 years old. He was 17 years old, and 6'3" tall. Not out of the question that the 5'2" Zimmerman might not have seen him as a "kid". (Just out of curiosity, why do you think they only use the 12-year-old photo?)

The family attorneys said that they heard two gunshots in a recorded phone call. They claimed that the first one was a warning shot. But the police found that Zimmerman's gun had only fired one shot. If you were the police, wouldn't you at least try to get to the bottom of that, before you hang someone?

The boy had been sent to stay with his father, because he had been suspended from school. (The parents, of course, won't reveal why he was suspended. But it wasn't anything bad - they promise.) When the boy didn't come back from the store right away, his father's first thought was that he had been arrested. Don't blame me for that - it was his father's own words. But, hey, now they say the kid never got into trouble, so why even question it?

Two of the witnesses changed their stories from what they reported to police the night it happened. One of them let it slip in a recent interview that she had "found out more about Zimmerman's past".

And here's my favorite part about the main "witness". She now has representation at press conferences. She's been claiming that police refused to take her statement. But on the night it happened, the police canvassed for witnesses, and she refused to talk. The officers pushed for a statement, and she eventually wrote one and gave it to her roommate. Her WRITTEN statement from that night was consistent with what Zimmerman told the police. Now that she's got representation, and someone to tell her what a bad guy Zimmerman is, her memories have changed.

The guy may have done wrong. Like I said, I don't know. But you people who believe everything Huffington tells you - you don't know either. If you wanted truth, you'd be looking for answers to some of the questions. What you want is a good old fashioned lynchin'. Brang a picnic and make a day of it.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The neighborhood had recently had a rash of burgularies, and Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch.

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Except he wasn't.

BTW - the same week this shooting happened, a kid in Kansas City was chased to his house, doused with gasoline, and set alight. His attackers, both black, told him "This is what you get, white boy."

MSNBC and other news outlets that are trying to say this is a hate crime barely referred to the attack, except to mention that it was "allegedly race related". The black community in KC are actually trying to excuse it, saying that he must have provoked them. No arrests have been made.

It's a good thing hypocrisy isn't a criminal act.

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Originally Posted by ploto

Except he wasn't.

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I'll edit. Changes nothing.

Ignore everything else, and focus on that part, though.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The neighborhood had recently had a rash of burgularies, and Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch [edit: just a guy watching his neighborhood, as per Ploto. Not on neighborhood watch.] It's a small gated neighborhood where most of the neighbors know each other. It was raining, and the guy was walking in the neighborhood looking at houses.

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LOL, so what? That justifies chasing him down and killing him.

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Originally Posted by GSH

He was 17 years old, and 6'3" tall. Not out of the question that the 5'2" Zimmerman might not have seen him as a "kid". (Just out of curiosity, why do you think they only use the 12-year-old photo?)

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Zimmerman had a gun. Their height is irrelevant when one person has a gun and the other person has a bag of skittles.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The boy had been sent to stay with his father, because he had been suspended from school. (The parents, of course, won't reveal why he was suspended. But it wasn't anything bad - they promise.) When the boy didn't come back from the store right away, his father's first thought was that he had been arrested. Don't blame me for that - it was his father's own words. But, hey, now they say the kid never got into trouble, so why even question it?

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Uh maybe because this country has a history of arresting black folks walking in uppity neighborhoods? Shit, I even had cops SWARM me, guns pointed at me because I was waiting for a friend to meet me in a parking lot to give directions. They thought I was selling drugs. True story.

The guy probably never seen big houses let alone being in a gated community so he took the scenic route and got gunned down for it.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You didn't read the post.

I think Zimmerman probably committed a crime but, I'm not convinced he acted based on race and harping on about that only jeopardizes any case against him.

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As I understand it, you're persuaded Mr. Zimmerman was attacked.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

So, let me get this straight. Pretend I start insulting some big hillbilly. I infer he's a product of incest. Now he's pissed off and tells me I better shut up. I ask him what he's going to do about it, then shove him.

Now he's really pissed off, and clocks me. I fall to the ground and see him threatening to rain some more blows down on me.

Do I now have the right to shoot him in these "Stand Your Ground" states, because I was fearing severe bodily harm?

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Anyone know the answer to this?

all the guy has to do is say he felt threatened. Florida and like a dozen other states have laws that basically encourage people to shoot if they get scared.

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fearing grievous bodily harm, I unholstered my sidearm

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OTOH, if one fears grievous bodily harm, why does one pursue a "suspicious character" in the street, against the explicit advice of police and against Neighborhood Watch policy?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

all the guy has to do is say he felt threatened. Florida and like a dozen other states have laws that basically encourage people to shoot if they get scared.

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You mean like the police do?