Glenn Greenwald: MEK and its material supporters in Washington

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Some governments refuse to tolerate the use of terrorist tactics under any circumstances, but some tacitly or openly endorse the use of such tactics when the targets happen to be the “right” ones. Unfortunately, when it comes to dealing with Iran, the U.S. has adopted the second approach. The U.S. attitude towards the MEK over the decades is a good example of how very changeable governments can be. At one point, the MEK was obviously an anti-American terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of American citizens. Later, Hussein’s support for the MEK was unimportant, because Hussein was perceived as the lesser of two evils in the conflict between Iran and Iraq. Once Hussein’s Iraq became the main regional enemy, his support for the MEK was suddenly turned into part of the indictment against him. Once Hussein was overthrown, not only was the MEK no longer to be considered a terrorist group, but in some circles it was seen as a valuable ally in opposing the Iranian regime. According to some reports, the Obama administration is on the verge of capitulating to the disgraceful campaign to have this terrorist group removed from the FTO list. It is somewhat fitting that the MEK is a terrorist group that is not recognized by the vast majority of Iranians in Iran or in the diaspora as “freedom fighters.” The only people foolish enough to believe that the MEK is interested in anyone’s freedom are those paid to say so and those so hostile to Iran that they will ally with anyone with the same goal of regime change.

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http://www.theamericanconservative.c...edom-fighters/

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

It's the closest thing to a unified antiestablishment Iranian political entity that there is

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Do Iranians recognize it as such?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

No, you excused elite politicians for lobbying on the MEK's behalf in the name of realpolitik -- one rule for us (prison), another (tolerance and excuses) for politicians who lobby for terrorists.

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You need to look up the definition of excuse. Theft is common on UT campus. That does not excuse it, it just makes fixating on individual cases of it asinine.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Do Iranians recognize it as such?

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Some do; I am not sure. I was speaking more to how the Iranian security forces have done an excellent job of squashing anything that resembles an opposition political entity.

There are plenty of examples of the US hooking up with questionable political opposition parties in South American and Asia over the last oh i don't know century. The Chileans were extra special pissed by it.

My point is that its systemic but unfortunately you just dismiss any notions of change to said system as radical and fixate on an individual spectacle of it.

if you say so

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You need to look up the definition of excuse. Theft is common on UT campus. That does not excuse it...

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Is lobbying for listed terrorist groups common?

Is American elites getting away with felonies due to refusal to prosecute common? Is the illegal intervention into foreign nation states by the US common?

I am talking about the systemic impunity of US elites and the behavior of the CIA, NSA etc. This type of behavior is an extension of that and at this point has become tradition.

We can play the label game if you want. You are reminding me of Poptech in how he does it. Oh and who was bin-Laden associated with in the 1980s that the US was also associated with.

I'll take the answer off the air.

the impunity of elites and corrupt administration is asinine to bring up, point out, discuss whatever, because it's happening all the time?

(unless of course, we're discussing it in a way you approve...)

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

the impunity of elites and corrupt administration is asinine to bring up, point out, discuss whatever, because it's happening all the time?

(unless of course, we're discussing it in a way you approve...)

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:lol Need a tissue?

I gave my opinion. Deal with it. Well I guess this passive aggressive whining is your way of dealing with it. Now you try and label me.

You can do whatever you want.

Do you disagree that the cause of issues that this particular issue that you are discussing is systemic? Do you disagree that its a trend that been going on for a long time?

So far you haven't. Your issue is that the opinion comes from me. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

(unless of course, we're discussing it in a way you approve...)

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You have the temerity to say this?

Your entire crusade against me this year is how you do not approve of my methodology. You try and talk to me about charm and pretentiousness or other passive aggressive steering. You are a fraud when it comes to those standards.

For some reason I just fail to empathize. Cognitive dissonance will do that I suppose.

With all due respect --because at this point you are due none-- go fuck yourself.

on my own time -- I'm not a trained monkey

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Do you disagree that the cause of issues that this particular issue that you are discussing is systemic? Do you disagree that its a trend that been going on for a long time?

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Not necessarily. Don't think I did anyway. Seems to me I conceded corruption is commonplace, just don't share your jadedness about it.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You have the temerity to say this?

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Yep. With you the conversation more or less ends wherever you disagree. Face it: you're an intolerant jerk.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Not necessarily. Don't think I did anyway. Seems to me I conceded corruption is commonplace, just don't share your jadedness about it.

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Ignore the context as if my very next sentence didn't comment on your conceding the point.

And of course sidestep your hypocrisy towards trying to police other's methods. You are so completely disingenuous.

And do not try and characterize my position with shading adjectives. Just concede that they are historical trends from Kissinger and his intervention in Eastern Europe and Latin America in the sovereignty of states through Reagan and his similar tactics all the way through our last two presidents.

I am jaded in nothing other than towards you in your earnestness, directness or honesty. You do not even live up to your own standards.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Yep. With you the conversation more or less ends wherever you disagree. Face it: you're an intolerant jerk.

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Yeah that's why when you took issue with me over my treatment of WC I tried to temper my reactions for a time. I still temper my response to CC and yoni.

You can try and label me however you like but unless you provide examples, it is pretty much meaningless. I do.

Its just whining from you at that point.

If you make a decent point i will concede it. In this discussion you haven't.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

And of course sidestep your hypocrisy towards trying to police other's methods.

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Commentary on an open forum. Exaggerate much?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Commentary on an open forum. Exaggerate much?

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Its pretty obvious that you would love to moderate me if you could. but you cannot so you try your passive aggressive steering. Again I will give examples such as trying to label me as lacking charm or being pretentious. Your cataloging of my use of pejoratives.

Its not an exaggeration. Its is what it is. You did complain about me 'approving' and you have done nothing but disapprove me. that pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyBirdbrains

You do not even live up to your own standards.

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Nobody does. Does that make me special?

Or did you hit the mark...

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Its pretty obvious that you would love to moderate me if you could.

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Sorry free speech is too oppressive for you. I'm just expressing my opinion about your bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Nobody does. Does that make me special?

Or did you hit the mark...

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Nice copout. Coward.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Yep. With you the conversation more or less ends wherever you disagree. Face it: you're an intolerant jerk.

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Example of not living up to one's own standards. You cannot even go 5 posts.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Nice copout. Coward.

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how so? what would be the brave thing to do?

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Example of not living up to one's own standards. You cannot even go 5 posts.

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not sure what you mean here. is your English lacking?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

how so? what would be the brave thing to do?

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Stand by what you say perhaps? Do not be a hypocrite because its convenient?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

not sure what you mean here. is your English lacking?

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You have been being an intolerant jerk to me for months now up to and including this latest back and forth.

That help?