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Have been twitter discussing with Eddy Rivera about the MVP consideration.
All I argued was it was not "laughable" that he's in the talk. Not that he IS the MVP, cause ImO has not.
He also feels Parker is getting way too much credit for the Spurs success.
Agreed?
It depends on what you consider MVP. There has never really been an adequate definition, as far as I'm concerned.
Is it the player with the most talent/skill? Or the player that the team relies on the most?
I always consider MVP to be a player that helps his team win many games, but without him there, they would just be a scrub team winning nothing. He's the most valuable member of the team.
I think the Spurs would still be in the playoffs without Tony Parker. But, I definitely think he's a top 3 point guard, and lately, the best.
He believes, That he plays in the deepest team in the league with the best coach in the league. Therefore shouldn't be in the discussion.
I'm most likely a giant blind ball and silver homer for disagreeing but, wanted to run it by the sound board first.
He has been the best player on the best team in the West. Seems worthy of being mentioned in the conversation.
Wish I could figure out what the EXACT criteria for MVP are, then maybe... just maybe... I could come up with something better than, "He deserves it, blah, blah, blah." GGGrrrrr... :bang
The team is now mostly offense that relies on pick and roll
put neal/patty in his place and see how we do
Parker is the best player on a team that is now #1 in the west and possibly in the entire nba
this is after the nba world that we would finally die after last years playoffs and 1/3 of the season through we were the 9th seed when our #1 player went down for half the season
yes ginobili was the #1 player last year and this year pre injury
I dont really mind if parker doesnt win because we all know its impossible but some votes would be nice
itll be even better when lebron wins his 3rd and becomes the biggest joke in the nba
only player with 3 mvps to never win a ring
would be even better if parker spanked durant in the WCF and lebron in the finals on route to his second FINALS mvp
hell have the last laugh while hes texting lebrons mom
you could also tell that guy to watch parker in game 1 vs LA and game 2 and see the difference he makes on this team
Sounds like what detractors say about reigning MVP Rose.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
But I definitely agree Parker deserves consideration. He's proven to even haters like myself that he's the best player on the Spurs, and the best player on the best team in the West deserves MVP consideration.
Best player on the Best Team in the West, but the Spurs in general aren't winning because of top heavy play, but lots of positive contributions from lots of players. I'd say LeBron should win(He may not bacause of LeBron hate), with Durant and Paul next in line, Parker being ~4th. He should make at least 2nd team All-NBA, which is good recognition of an excellent season.
Looking at from January 15th on(Basically, the point Parker went from What's wrong with Tony Parker to Holy Shit, Tony Parker) He's probably closer, but the first few weeks of the season count as well.
Every we hear about "best player on team with best record", now that it's the Spurs turn it's "ok, let's change the criteria"
who is he voting for and on what criteria is he basing it off of?
Parker isnt good enough for the 'best player on the best team' argument. Hes an all-star and all-nba but MVP is the top echelon and Parker isnt up there. Rose and Paul are really the only two PGs that are in that superstar group. Not to mention the point the guy brought up about the Spurs depth. Parker should get a couple of votes but realistically shouldnt be in serious contention for it.
Leading the team who's going to win the :lobt2: this year? Ask them by June then we'll se who's laughing then.
The Spurs without Parker probably would have made it to the Playoffs, so what? Would the Heat without LBJ, but with Wade and Bosh miss them?
I don't think TP's good enough to be the real MVP but yeah, he's been a beast for us most of the season and is definitely a big part of our success right now (along with relative health, role players stepping up and Pop being the beast coach in the NBA).
It's a team sport, nobody is going anywhere without their team.
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Originally Posted by Stan Kelly
Oh, by the way, this is 2012. Obama is the President of the US of A. And Tony and Eva have divorced. Just thought you'd like being brought up to speed on "recent" events.
Is will_spurs the biggest Parker fan in the world ?
Parker deserves MVP consideration. Parker, LeBron, Durant. Best players from top teams.
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Parker
Not Kobe, not Rose , not Nash, not Paul.
I don't think it's laughable to include him in the discussion. Yes, they've had balanced contributions from the rest of the team but I think that this year most especially, Parker has really set the tone for the team and without him (in that long stretch without Manu), we probably make the playoffs but barely.
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Originally Posted by Legacy
Stop being homers. This isnt about media bias against the Spurs. Parker has been very very good but not good enough to where the best player on best team argument can apply. You have to be widely considered atleast a Top 3-5 player in the league on top of being on the best team for that argument to apply. Noone in their right mind (other than maybe will_spurs) considers Parker a Top 5 player.
Remember how slowly Tony started the season? We were all afraid, that he is done. Than after the Manu injury, he came into live and lead to this team, to unexpected success.
He should be in the MVP conversation.
This team is made for Parker and his style of play. Just like the Spurs did for Duncan they have built the team around Parker while keeping their big three together. If Parker doesn't get serious recognition then at least Pop and Buford should for COY and exec of year for ushering this change while Tim Duncan is still playing some great basketball. Their work has a lot to do with this consistency.
He's voting for Lebron "period no debate". Asked him what his reasoning he wouldn't answer with anything but "I see your from San Antonio. Should've known"
He should definitely be in the conversation due to the fact that he totally runs the offense on the team that is best in the west and that after tonight (probably) will equal the best team in the league.
We have all seen what happens when Tony is not on the court. Our offense stalls and confusions reigns. We have still won some games, but remember that our worst loss was when Tony wasn't on the floor (along with Tom and Manu). But we have won games without Manu. We have won games without Tim. We have only won one game without Tony.
Parker had the team on his back all through the period when Manu was out. He carried them until Manu came back and Tim got into the shape he has been in for the last three weeks.
He is the leading scorer on the leading team. He definitely deserves to be in the conversation.
He won't win because his stats are never going to be as gaudy as LBJ's. He plays fewer minutes than other top stars because his coach makes that decision, keeping his per game points and assists lower than some.
No one on a Spurs team is going to get MVP while Tim Duncan is still on the team.
But Tony deserves to be in the conversations.
Yes.
:lmaosay one of the worst tp hater everQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Honestly, if a sane and logical person is going to tell you Tony Parker doesn't deserve some MVP consideration because he plays on a deep team with a solid coach, then that same person should be fair enough to tell you that Lebron James doesn't deserve it because he plays with two other superstars.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
It's pointless debating with a guy who can't admit as much.
Either way, I'm not sure what that says about your league if you're unwilling to toss the best player on the winningest team in the west some MVP consideration. San An is one game away from clinching the top seed, it takes an absolute turd to say they'd be in the same position without Parker.
If I didn't know better, I'd say this twitter guys wife slept around on him with a frenchmen and he's now harboring resentment towards all that is Vive-La-France.
I say "Vive le petit Frenchman".
(ps. I rather see Parker obtain his second Finals MVP, There's no denying him love/respect if he's playing at this same level in June and the S&B come out on top).
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Originally Posted by Brazil
Brazil is a Spurs fan from France.
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Originally Posted by shraediggz
Its not the same thing. LeBron is widely considered the best player in the league despite having Wade on his team. Parker isnt considered Top 10. Therefore best player on top team can apply for the former but not the latter. Its not that hard to understand, homers. Parker deserves some consideration but you cant put him in the same category as Bron. He isnt a serious contender for the award.
MVP only matters if it has the world Finals before it. WGAF about the regular season if you're not hoisting the :lobt2:
He deserves to be recognized for his contributions, his willingness to step in and take over a team that he's long been #2 on, and his experience.
^I think you mean #3.
LeBron plays with two top 15 players in the NBA including a top 3 player next to him. The dude you're arguing with is obviously an idiot of he's voting for LeBron "period, no debate" without applying his own logic :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I think most of us agree Tony's play has warranted some nods and some votes, but none of us really think he's going to win the MVP nor does he actually deserve to win it
Parker as the 3rd best Spur???? Are on crack man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Kelly
Have you heard about Kawhi defense? And Diaw? And Green? As you say, there are 2 ends of the court. Parker shouldn't be considered better than the 6th or 7th option in this team.
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Troll be trollin....
FkLA is a Spurs fan from US with a #20 jersey and a gif of pop yelling at TP in his sig
FkLA created a nice :lol parker thread
FkLA thinks Parker tends to disappear against big front courts hence the disappointing TP performances against the most powerful front court in the nba
FkLA thinks in 2012 TP is the third best player of the spurs
FkLA is saying he is not a hater
FkLA thinks because I have a French flag I just suck TP's balls. He also probably think I became a spur fan because of TP a bit like Patttyyyy MILLLSSS dude
FkLA is a well known non biased spurs fan with great bb takes
FkLA thinks will spurs is the biggest tp homie (I have to confess I'm a little bit disappointed, I thought I earned the crown)
FkLA probably thinks French stink and French give up against adversity :lol defeated by Nazi Germany
FkLA should definitely be in the conversation for best ST poster
I earned the crown because I managed to do so without even having the French flag next to my name :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
BTW in the list of incredible FkLA takes you forgot:
:lol Hill > Parker
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True. He does tend to shrink against them, especially in the playoffs.Quote:
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False. Never said that.Quote:
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True. I dont hate Parker.Quote:
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True. You are a Parker homer.Quote:
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Also true. Why else would a frenchie become a Spurfan ?
True. Why would I be biased against a player from my favorite team? Im not Argentinian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
True. Youre definitely a Parker homer but will_spurs is way worse tbh. Thats a good thing though. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
True. The French are pretty soft tbh.Quote:
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False. Im pretty close to the top though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
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Originally Posted by FkLA
False. Link to where I said that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
In countless threads with your buddy TJastal, around when Hill was traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
james has more help then tp
Parker was the Final MVP during the last championship year. If the Spurs win it all, chances are he would be again. I imagine that would suit him just fine.
Parker was damn valuable early in the season when Ginobili was out and Duncan looked like he was over the hill. TP was as valuable as any player in the NBA in that stretch of games around the Rodeo Road Trip where he was carrying the team night in and night out.
Recently, with Ginobili back and Duncan playing like he turned back the clock, Parker hasn't been as valuable ... but then again it'd be foolish if he was playing the same way. He doesn't need to play like an MVP right now; his goals should be to stay healthy and keep racking up the Ws.
Tbh, I'd probably have TP ranked somewhere between 3 and 6 in the MVP race.
P.S.
FkLA is turning into the ducks of CoM. This cat falls in love with every backup point guard the Spurs bring in. From Temple to Hill ... hell, he even tried to divert attention away to TP and to Patty Mills by highlighting his towel waving after the Laker beat downs :lol
That said, if it's schtick, I give it a B+.
I guess it makes you a tp hater and a manu homer, a french flag seems to be the trigger event for being a tp homer by your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
great fucking thread tbh fwiw a manu won't score 20 pts again kind of thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
:lol backpedaling now that tp destroyed the lakersQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
:lol especially in the playoffs, one example with tp averaging roughly his RS
I thought you just did that in this thread, maybe you forgot the blueQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
False see aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
True by your definition I have a French flag, false from what I'm regularly posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
False, I started to root for the Spurs because of the admiral and his quadruple doubleQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
you are biased towards tp see below you dont like FrenchQuote:
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I dont think will_spurs is a homerQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
cauz you know a lot of FrenchQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
definitely in the conversation fwiw tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Sorry to break it to you, but if Duncan keeps up what he's been doing for the last 3 weeks or so, he's gonna end up with the finals MVP, on emotion/nationalism/end of career respect votes alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by shraediggz
Link where I said Hill was a better player/PG than Parker in any of those threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
I like Manu alot. Just like you like Tony alot. Im not a Tony hater though just like youre not a Manu hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Was well deserved after his pathetic showing imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
How am I backpedaling? These past two games vs LA doesnt change the fact that hes had a tendency to shrink against big, physical teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
No. The poster said Tony had been #2 for so long, I said he had been #3. Hes higher now though obviously.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Brazil
Everytime I criticize Parker you (and will_spurs) are there defending him. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Just because I think you guys are soft doesnt mean I dislike you. I have nothing against the French. Zidane was one of my fav players tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
He definitely is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
No but its obvious from your history and culture.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Brazil
ps I never fell in love with Temple. Dont know where that came from. The Patty towel waving thread had nothing to do with diverting attention away from Parker either, just wanted to give Patty props for being a good teammate.
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Wouldnt call that falling in love tbh. The it I was referring to was his fearlessness not his talent. I wasnt expecting him to replace Tony or anything of that sort. He played well to end that 2010 season and I was giving him props, nothing more.
I'd be curious to read your takes on the French History and CultureQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
You made a fool out of yourself and just look like a homer.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
This year??Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Wade was a top10 at best. He never was at 100%.He wasn't shooting well.Plus he missed 15 games. Kobe,Durant,Love,Howard,CP3,Rondo,Westbrook.... Wade wasn't a top3 player this season
Bosh < TD. Actual Bosh is a jump shooter. He can't rebound,his defense sucks.TD's impact in the game is higher .
Of course our bench is better.Miami didn't have our deep.
LeBron leads his team in points,rebounds,assist,steals and FG%. The record without Wade is 13-1.
Tony Parker should be in the top5 of the race for the MVP but LeBron is the MVP of the season.
As long as he wins his 2nd Finals MVP, that is all he cares about.
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you were on the bandwagon, hill is good enough to handle pg duties, trade parker for a big (and not even a good one).Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
of course I'm not a manu hater, I like manu a lot too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
I said he deserved the blame and played very poorly (call me a homer)Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
These pas two games + the fact tp has always played well against LA. your argument failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
so long ? since when precisely ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
first we are not the only ones defending him and second I'm defending him when not justified. He sucked on his first game against the lakers and I said it, I also think he had been a disappointment on the grizz serie and I said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
yeah sure, no doubt about that. the admiral was my favourite player when I was young and he is still of my favourite.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
yeah soft is a nice compliment. and zidane is a good example of softness, dude is a closer thing of Artest than gasol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
u know absolutely shit about our culture or our history. speaking of history, just a tip for you France history didn't start in 1939.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
:toast not really in mvp discussion but like tony u deserve to be mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
I'm so tired of that "french are soft" thing.
During WW1, 1,7 millions french people died on their own soil, victims of some of the ugliest violence ever seen. Most of them were in their 20s.
That would be like 13,4 M americans based on actual population.
You can't imagine the trauma it has been, and still is. But please, don't ever call us soft again!
Who is the guy you were talking too, TPark? I will handle this...
cauz you are a retardQuote:
Originally Posted by Stan Kelly
Tony Parker is the best player in the NBA.
fo
LeBron or Durant are more deserving tbh, but Parker will get votes. However, TP doesn't play 40 mpg nor he gets the same number of touches as Kobe / LeBron to get MVP type of stats.
He had been the best Spurs player for some time now. Duncan isn't so consistent anymore and Manu misses too many games; also Parkers defense is above average.
The only exception I can remember to PPG being the decider of the Finals MVP was in '04 when Chauncey Billups got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Kelly
Really you start with the top teams and go from there. Durant. James. Parker. Rose has missed to much time. Paul, now that's laughable!
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Originally Posted by rascal
Says the asswaffle that proclaimed he could take a Ron Artest elbow.
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
Gee. Yeah... that kinda' slipped my mind right there. WTH was I even thinking?? Shame on me. :greedy