Just love his game so much, and the way he backed down Milsap and scored on him like it was nothing was beautiful to watch
I'm going to enjoy watching this 5th title run
That is all
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Just love his game so much, and the way he backed down Milsap and scored on him like it was nothing was beautiful to watch
I'm going to enjoy watching this 5th title run
That is all
I fully agree.
100% agree with you. Also we should resign Patty mills perfect back up for Tp.
yeah and while were at it bring bck James Anderson
Contract extensions for Matt and Dejuan too while finding a way to bring RJ backQuote:
Originally Posted by kjhip1
Re-sign, not resign. :)
the difference between him and that whotaburger, he actually boxes out for rebs, plays defense...no fkn circus shots, just put the ball in the hoop
he went playbook on the jazz tonight same moves in the lowpost over and over again, attack and create
blair will be dumped for a draft pick
Nooooooo! A thread earlier this has enlightened me..we need to let these fools walk, and make a huge push to bring back Pops Mensah-Bonsu
He's got good basketball IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
The good thing about Diaw is that he isn't the kind of player that a bad team will overpay for, like a 20 point chucker who does nothing else. He's useful to contending/good teams, but most of them only have the MLE to offer, and he'd likely take ours.
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Originally Posted by bbarry
Sorry now I just realized that. Thanks for the correction they should Re-sign patty mills.
With our present cast Diaw's skill set is enhanced
Boris playing with the superfriends in Miami, 5 championship in a row for them. He's just the perfect big & complimenting player for a stars studded team like the Heat.
Fatass Diaw and Captain Scrub Jack, were championship pick ups, tbh
Ohhhh hell yeahhhh! I wanna see Pops dunk all over Blake Griffin and Andrew Bynum. This team needs more dunking if we wanna win the championship and be on ESPN more!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TwelveGs210
they only have the mini MLE to offer....Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
I was just about to start this thread! :D
The Spurs have totally revitalised Diaw - his reputation for laziness comes mostly from playing for poor teams in the past few seasons. Right now he looks like the guy that was a vital cog in those great Suns teams from 2003-06.
Bruno alert! What have we got to re-sign him?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stalin
After a sequence in the 3rd or 4th, when Jack missed 2 baskets in a row, going to a time out.. Diaw was rubbing Jack's shoulder and ragging on him a bit lol.
I forgot they had chemistry and history from when they played in Charlotte under Larry Brown.
These two coming to the Spurs during the trade deadline were good pick ups individually, but together, even more so.
Seamlessly integrated and both bringing in an added does of defense, versatility, smarts, grit and maturity at the right time.
Like ingredients added to the soup to really make it something special.
...and Diaw isn't LeBron's best friend, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Dias is great overpasses a tad in the paint when open himself. Great team player full mle would be reasonable. Lorbek can sit till Duncan retires or we amnesty Bonner.
This is huge and exactly why the duo may retire as spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
I also concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
I'd love to see what Boris Diaw could do with a Spurs training camp under his belt. The guy has just got a feel for the game and in a system where ball movement is everything, this guys versatility is gold.
I hope Green, Diaw and Neal get priority this off season (In that order, I assume Duncan is a lock). Patty Mills would be a solid player to bring back if he could learn to make the extra pass (or any pass for that matter) and you can't help but to feel sentimental about Jacks, but hey, somethings got to give.
Maybe we could flip Blair for some actual size (re; length), but I kind of like him as a 4th or 5th big. We do need a bit more length imo. I'd hate to go through this another year.
I love this team bring em all back!
Patty has probably played himself onto another team tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon123spurs
dont hate, appreciateQuote:
Originally Posted by Stalin
I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. When we initially were trying to pick up Diaw I knew he would be a great fit with our offense, but I never imagined how seamlessly he would work with this group all around, and how much effort he would bring defensively as well. 2012 signaled the return of peak R.C. and Pop tbh.
Spurs could offer Diaw the full MLE, that is to say $21.35M over 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Well the good news is that is reasonable and all we can offer, I believe. Should make the negotiations easy.
i dont get it? tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
here's how I see it going down:
a) Duncan - the obvious. will be resigned. i'm estimating something around 3 years 27 million or 2 for 20. something of that sort
b) Blair - will be about a 1 million dollar expiring contract. salary isn't really a burden to carry and most of us are fine with him as a 4th or 5th big. a minutes eater during the regular season. a possible buyout candidate, or could be traded for a pick, but wouldn't expect a high one
c) diaw - he's 30 years old and should draw interest from teams that have good talent in place. its been established that diaw plays better with good teams because having good players in place magnifies his passing ability. he seems happy in San Antonio, playing with Tony Parker and former teammate Stephen Jackson. he'd probably sign for something near the MLE, but I would assume less than that
d) Stephen Jackson is a 10 million dollar expiring contract next season. if things aren't going too well, an expiring contract that big could be a very good bargaining piece midseason. i'd like the think the Spurs like what he brings and he will play out his contract. unsure where they go at that point, but i'm only talking about the 2012-2013 season here
e) danny green is a free agent, but with the money we will save off duncan's soon be be halved (guess) salary, we should be able to bring him back.
i know this is a diaw thread, but looking at the moves we are to make next season, it shouldn't be tough to retain him with something near the MLE
Not going to lie, after the past 2 seasons and seeing the spurs lacking a big man, I was pretty baffled when the Spurs decided to sign Boris Diaw. I personally was really hoping that the Spurs were able to sign Ronny Turiaf instead because he had more of an interior presence and was able to block the shot and defend pretty well.
Fast forward to the present day, and I would have to agree with all you guys and say that Diaw was a GREAT fit for our team. Diaw was essentially what Pop wanted out of Matt Bonner but could never get
I would be very surprised if Diaw get's offers that are much better than MLE.
so, a full MLE offer from the Spurs should bring him back.
as it looks right now and considering how well he fits, that kind of contract is a no brainer for the Spurs.
will likely cost the Spurs Lorbek though. some weeks ago I wasn't sure what I would prefer. (Diaw or Lorbek). right now it's a no brainer for me as well. re sign Diaw!
Thanks Bruno. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I'm going to go even further and say that we've found the starting PF until Timmy decides to call it a day, with Splitter playing 24-30 mins behind both.
Diaw is a perfect fit for this team going forward, especially with Leonard as an excellent rebounder and defender at the 3. Also, being around this team has totally revitalised Diaw's focus and intensity - he's a less athletic but smarter version of the great all-court player (Lamar Odom type) we've seen flashes of his whole career.
We have to do everything we can to keep him. 3 years MLE, team option on 4th would be ideal.
PS In summary, welcome back to the World of Basketball Relevance, Boris Diaw! ;) :downspin: :lmao
Diaw = GOAT.
winning it all this year, i think some players would leave for bigger money....what else is there also to achieve besides chasing the money...
Boris is 30, he has plenty of money already, he likes playing in a system he's comfortable in, and no-one else will offer him much more because of the style of player he is. We're a perfect fit for the MLE pricetag. Obtuse or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
It's funny... you look at a guy like Diaw coasting with the Bobcats and wonder whether he actually likes playing basketball for a living any more. Then he moves to a team that plays disciplined, structured basketball and wins, and watch as he comes alive again. That's when you see that he actually does love playing 'ball after all. That's what has just happened with Boris.
Hard to see a scenario where the Spurs let him walk. If they are willing to do what they did with a shit player like RJ to stay relevant than there isn't much to think about when deciding whether or not to give Diaw the full MLE. Lorbek can stay in Europe for all I care.
James white!
I like Boris but remember he was beasting for his contract year in 2006 and got his nice contract and stopped making effort after that
And it was with a contender. Suns 2007 and 2008 were a contender.
It's a contract year again and he is playing very well. Just hope if he re-sign with the spurs that he will not come back fat next year
I would love to have both Diaw and the Lorbek guy. Roster-wise we can trade Blair for a 2nd-round pick to make a room for them. However, it seems not workable with salary cap. What a shame.
He and Tony have been best friends since like 14 or 15 years old. That will be a draw to keep him here.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenziE
imagined if we kept the roster intact for next season, would the chicago cows 70-12 breakable?
4.7p/4.3r/2.4a can hardly be said to be "beasting" for a contract. Those were his 20 game SA regular season numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric365
Bonner's status has little to nothing to do with Lorbek. If we offer Diaw the full MLE, there is nothing but minimum to offer Lorbek because we're over the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
I used the word "beasting" for 2006 when he was MIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
For this year I said "playing very well"
Reading comprehension :rolleyes
Lorbek can cool his heels in Europe, he aint going anywhere. I really like our team as it stands and hope we can keep Green/Diaw/Mills next season. Hell even Anderson has started to play well now.
His numbers dipped after his MIP season, but I don't think it's because of slacking. Amare was back to being the 1st option, he got moved from playing center to small forward, then to the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric365
I think the only time he coasted was from 2010 to this season, once the Bobcats got rid of all their good players (Jax/Chandler/Wallace/Felton/Okafor) and he was left alone with all those scrubs... Can't blame him for not being motivated to play with Kwame, Matt Carrol or Desagana Diop
@donjuansdaddy I think you are being very optimistic regarding next season's salary cap. I think the days when the cap would increase by 10% every year are over, I may be totally wrong but I don't see it going much more over 60M.
They have over 48M committed to 7 players, if you add Green QO and Blair's team option that will be picked up, both around 1M, and TD at 10M (I think it's a minimum), you get to 60.5M.
I don't know how much would Lorbek ask to come over (I know he's underpaid but has a big role) but that doesn't leave much room for him, outside of the MLE.
If I were the Spurs I would probably resign Diaw and just keep Blair on the roster as the fifth big.
While Blair has no business starting, as a bench big deep in the rotation its hard to complain about what he offers. Plus, his contract is incredibly cheap. Unless I got offered a great trade option then I'd probably just keep him around. But if all we're going to get is a mediocre 2nd rounder in an average draft class - I just don't see the point. Keep the guy that can be productive in stints and knows the system. Besides, your biggest competition is probably Oklahoma City and Blair eats them for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Still wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
The Spurs will have the MLE to sign Lorbek or Diaw. It's cap space or the MLE, not both.
This. Bonner and Blair as the #2 and #3 big men is a huge hole. Bonner and Blair as the #4 and #5 big men is a nice deep rotation. How many teams really have better guys at the end of the depth chart?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
I do hope that Mills picks up his player option, though. He hasn't cracked the rotation except for garbage time, so it's not unthinkable that he might still play for the million on his option next year. I doubt there are many teams watching and saying -- whoa, let's get that garbage time guy in here for the MLE or something. And if we could bring him back as Parker's backup with a full offseason and training camp of development, he could make a big leap.
I'm only repeating the same simple fact that you don't understand how the system works. Can't use cap space and the MLE, have to choose one or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
LOL dude how many times should one and the same thing have to explained to you, seriously! You either use cap space or MLE, you can't use both - no way you can sign Lorbek with cap money and then spend the MLE on Boris or someone else. Either - or, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
You say that you know that and then you lay out one of your tortured scenarios where they have cap space, then go over the cap, and then have the MLE.
It doesn't work that way. It can't work that way. It won't work that way. Stop trying to imagine scenarios where it could or would work that way.
:lol gnsf CBA
Even if the Spurs win it all this year, I hope they will try improving the roster. Duncan and Manu don't have much time left. Which means re-signing Diaw and bringing Lorbek or a better amnestied player for cheap.
As others have stated, and based upon his on-court production thus far and how much Pop has gushed about Diaw, I think he's a cinch to be back next year. As of now, he does appear to be happy, he's contributing and the Spurs are winning. It's been a seemless transition and a perfect marriage thus far.
Obviously, no one knows what his contract desires would be, but I'd have to guess something in the way of the MLE would be acceptable. I'd like to see what he can do with a full offseason conditioning program tailored to him by the Spurs coaches.
All that said, I'd still like to see the Spurs to invest in a young, cheap, athletic big to begin an apprenticeship under Duncan.
If there are athletic bigs with any talent that we can get for cheap, I'm all for it. But that's usually a precious commodity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
I thought that a team would get the MLE if they were under the cap by less than that amount.
That is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
If the team then uses said cap space, do they keep the MLE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Cap space or MLE, not both.
You guys are missing the obvious value of the large expiring contracts of Manu and Jax, both players we want back who are past their peak contract years and aging a bit.
Spurs can sign Duncan for $8 million, renegotiate Manu to $8 million x 3 years, Jackson to $7 million x 3 years. Re sign Green for $5 million.
That gets the Spurs under the cap to the tune of about $7-9 million depending on Patty and Blair.
While all that might not go as planned, some combo of that along with a Bonner amnesty/salary dump/trade could be enough to bring over Lorbek while retaining Diaw.
These so-called "experts" in here need to quit poo-pooing the idea and figure out how to make it work. There is my proposal, what are the holes...?
Too little. Not allowed in the CBA. Not allowed in the CBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
He's not a FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
There were a couple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Wait till he loses weight and he gets down to 240 pounds.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Why do I always hear people suggesting a player could "restructure their contract" :lol has this ever been allowed in NBA history?
Since you know the CBA so well, what if any is the wiggle room to renegotiate Manu/Jax. What I suggested was not so different than what we did with Jefferson under the prior CBA. All I did was add two years to each contract at $5 million each and average the dollar amounts over the three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I get "not allowed under the CBA", so just what is allowed along these lines? Where there's a will there's a way, I figure, subject to the CBA.
The $24 million owed to Manu/Jax, above market in this CBA environment and for this stage of their careers, are the biggest obstacles towards making any signifcant roster adds in '13.
Contracts cannot be "re-negotiated". This isn't the NFL. You play out your contract, or you extend it, but contract numbers for next season are set in stone...no, encased in diamond.
Tough summer.
Theyre gonna have to decide Green or Neal possibly and right now I'd have to go with Danny Green.
Shame theres no way to keep Diaw and bring over Lorbek while dumping Blair.
Lorbek would be great as the fifth big.
I don't get it. Why are they deciding between Green or Neal? Isn't Neal under contract already for next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I thought we renegotiated rj enabling Splitter signing. Why all the condescending responses?
Neal is under contract for 2013 fool!
RJ declined his contract and signed for more years but less per year FOOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
RJ had a player option for the last year of his contract. He decided to opt out of it to sign the extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
I haven't checked but apparently Manu and SJax are not in the same situation (or at least, not for next year).
And Lorbek, if he wanted to come to the NBA, must really hate Diaw right now. Lorbek went from being a desirable big with a bargaining chip (in case he wanted to stay in Europe, he could have tried to inflate his value like many others did before) to an unproven NBA big trying to edge out a vet who seems to be a perfect fit in the Spurs system.
Furthermore let's remember that Diaw previous contract, signed while he was obviously younger and after a nice contract year, was $9m per, and everybody thought he was badly overpaid (given his play in subsequent years). I fail to see how an older version of Diaw, with his history, and despite his rejuvenation, can command more than the MLE for any team.
Actually, I'm not even sure he's worth the full MLE right now, but if the Spurs have nothing else to spend it on, he might get the full MLE indeed. That seems fair for both parties.
RJ had a player option, he declined it and became a free agent, he then signed a brand new contract with the Spurs, thus he didn't renegotiate it, it is not allowed under the CBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
The only way to get rid of Manu's or Jax's contracts would be to find a team under the cap willing to absorb their contracts in exchange for a pick ( or adding a pick ) and a TE. I'm pretty sure there would be takers for Manu, but no way the Spurs do that.
http://1.2.3.9/bmi/2.bp.blogspot.com...1600/wanda.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy
The Spurs talked RJ into opting out and guaranteed him a contract offer if no other team wanted him. He wasn't opting under any other circumstance.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
Good bigmen in the NBA are getting paid. For example, Glen Davis got paid $25.7M over 4 years last December.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
If Diaw has a good playoffs run, it would be a no-brainer for Spurs to offer him the full MLE with whatever specifics he wants (player options, trade kicker, singing bonus..). A starting level PF for the MLE is a bargain.
I think it was lack of motivation more than anything for Diaw's lacklustre performance over the years. Playing for the Bobcats after being traded from the Suns did not help at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
The Spurs have a different environment - even more so relevant for Diaw as Parker plays here - and I think he would be doing some good work in the offseason (he has to play in the Olympics as well) to stay in/get into prime shape.
As for Lorbek, the only way he gets into the Spurs squad, IMO, is if the Spurs sell Blair to a below-the-cap team for a second round pick in 2018 (a la Theo Ratliff) and then Lorbek is willing to play for a million dollar contract with raises for a couple more years. Or perhaps someone bites on Corey Joseph as well and the Spurs manage to offer a million more.
So, i think the only way to get BOTH Diaw & Lorbek would be salary dumping Capt Jax to any team under the cap, creating enough cap space to sign those two big men with reasonable contract, no ??
Ofcourse, the Spurs would have to renounce their right to any salary exception, CMIIW.
trade lorbek and whatever scrubs on the team to move up on the draft and farm the pick
They don't have to decide between Neal and Green. Neal is locked for the next season and Green is a RFA considering we have his early bird rights. They're not going anywhere unless a dumb team severely overpays for Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Diaw or Lorbek is true though. We can't have both
He as always struck me as a guy who when signs, sits back and relaxes. But maybe the aforementioned team situations have caused this lack of drive.
Wait and see... I wonder how much Parker can influence his will to play hard in the regular season after he is "made". Now that Parker is wearing big pants he can play big brother.
Glen Davis is 26, Diaw is 30. Diaw also got a big fat contract when he was 26 (much bigger than Davis, by the way). This is Diaw's last true contract, and given the way he played in the past + the fact that he won't fit in every team/system I don't see anybody giving him more than the MLE. Miami would, if they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
It looks like the Spurs look what they see, Diaw likes what he sees, and the price is fair. That points to a deal.
Re: Lorbek, the road to Lorbek goes through Bonner being amnestied. since the Spurs like Bonner and Lorbek is unproven (and not even sure he wants to come), I can't see it happening.
Using the amnesty on Bonner will not change the Spurs' ability to sign Lorbek.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
It really doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
Edit : Mel being first again :toast
Salary dumping Jax won't be easy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
IMO, the LLE isn't a that unrealistic way to get Lorbek. If he wants to join the NBA, a 2 years LLE contract with a player option on the second year is a quite good solution for him. What he will lost in salary, he will gain it in freedom.
AFAIK, that would work, assuming Diaw and Lorbek would both fit under the cap. (And, of course, that some team under the cap wanted Jack's contract.)Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Edit: beaten by Bruno.
I thought the new rules did away with the LLE. Am I mistaken?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
your mom was a championship pick up, imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Stalin
Taxpaying teams cannot use the LLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
From Coon's summary of changes to the new CBA:
2011 CBA: Taxpaying teams have a smaller midlevel exception, can acquire less salary in trade, and cannot use the biannual exception.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...pares-last-one
With it taking 2 seasons to get early Bird rights on a player I'd think the Spurs would feel pretty strongly about wanting to have Lorbek locked up for that second year. If you give Lorbek an out after the first year then you'd have to use your MLE to re-sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno