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Agree. The LLE contract would be really better for Spurs if the second year isn't a player option. They should push for it. Saying that, if the only way to get Lorbek is giving him a player option on the second option, then Spurs should still sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Diaw has the skillset and the size to perfectly complement the Spurs in the front court. Low post scoring, rebounding and defense.
Thanks guys, good problem solving. I was kidding about the "fool" reference, that was tongue in cheek. I just was seeing too many quick responses "that won't work" while not enough discussion on the alternatives, although I realize we have the think tank for that.
Spurs are sitting pretty overall. If anyone call pull out a rabbit and get Lorbek next year it's Pop/RC, but we don't really need him either.
Diaw looks like a MLE slam dunk as was mentioned. After that and resigning Green, we can largely stand pat and be fine.
In 2014, we will have the flexibility to do whatever we want.
I guess one big question will be should we just keep renewing Duncan one year at a time, to $10 million deals, to maximize flexibiity?
Also should we be putting those player options in the last year of any big contract, so we can pull another RJ style "renegotiation" in the future?
Can a team use LLE and MLE same season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Mel one question
Let's say Lorbek accepts the LLE for 2 seasons. Do we have early bird rights or he is UFA after that ?
Ok so lle lorbek mle Dias work for 2013? In that case amnesty Bonner seems to make sense. Lorbek would be a nice Bonner upgrade Imo.
Early Bird rights kick in after two seasons under the same contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
We're talking about the summer of 2012, not 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Even if we signed Diaw with the MLE and Lorbek with LLE, using the amnesty on Bonner doesn't make much sense at all unless it was necessary to get under the tax. Even then, it would be a financial move, not a basketball move.
Pretty sure it doesn't have to be the same contract so long as the player isn't waived or signs a contract with a different team somewhere inbetween. Back to back 1 year contracts will still earn you early bird rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
You're right.
MeL_13, there was something that I did not understand in the article you linked to
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...pares-last-one
"• 2011 CBA: For non-taxpaying teams, four years starting at $5 million (base salary grows by 3 percent annually beginning in 2013-14), with 4.5 percent raises. Taxpaying teams are limited to three years, a $3 million base salary (which grows by 3 percent annually beginning in 2013-14) and 4.5 percent raises. Teams with cap room (therefore losing their midlevel exception) get a new midlevel that is for two years and starts at $2.5 million (growing 3 percent annually)."
That bolded bit at the suggests that you can use this "new midlevel", if you spend your salary cap room... Could we arrange it, that by amnestying Bonner and Trading Blair, we would have enough room below the cap to sign Duncan and Diaw (while making a QO to Green), and then use this "new midlevel" to sign Lorbek (and then use our Early Bird rights to re-sign Green)?
So if we succeed in getting both Diaw and Lorbek, that gives us 6 bigs, which seems like one more than we really need. Obviously we're not going to trade Tim. Could we get anything useful for Bonner or Blair?
For that matter, is there any chance there's a team desperate for a center that would be able to give us a major piece for Tiago? I wouldn't want to trade him unless we thought we could get a real difference maker in return, but if we think Lorbek can back Tim up right away, it might be worth trading our backup in the right deal, George Hill style. Somebody like Arron Afflalo, hypothetically (though I seriously doubt Denver's looking to make that deal).
If they win, I hope that TD will REALLY want to repeat (after all - that's the only thing left that they haven't done) and sign for CHEAP so they can have Diaw and Lorbek. Have Lorbek learn for a year as Pop is wont to do - reduces TD's time (increase Splitter's mins) and can get rid of Blair at year's end if Lorbek catches on well. I can dream, can't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by eyestalker
i dont see this exact team working as well next year, as its working this year. well see though feeling like 03 all over again.
I won't respond with a wanna-be GM reply about MLEs, LLEs, and some guy named Lorbek. I'll just simply say -- I agree with you. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Basketball Power
Anything is possible, but that new exception is 2yrs/5M while the BAE(LLE) was 2yrs/4.2M in the last year of the old CBA (I'm not sure exactly how much it will be next year, but it will close to that amount) . That's an awful lot of trouble to go to get a slightly larger exception to offer to Lorbek. I can't see how that would make the difference in his decision to leave Europe or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
After '03, David retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen jackson
So now we have went from no chance to get Lorbek for 2013, to decent chance if he takes the LLE, and that has no impact on getting Diaw back for the MLE. All we have to do is stay under the luxury tax.
Also Pop had commented that Lorbek is coming next year. Not sure he considered that a done deal, but possibly. If so, does not bode well for one of Bonner/Blair. Bonner appears the one in more jeopardy, with the $ 4 million team option salary, and Lorbek being a larger upgraded version of him, complete with the outside shooting skills.
We also need to be thinking about life after Timmy in the next year or two. Splitter/Lorbek may be the solution.
Edit: my bad, maybe I should be thinking of with the amnesty waiver provision in play. I don't know offhand the guaranteed status of Bonner contract next year.
Nothing has changed. It's been said all along that it's possible to get both as long as one of them is prepared to accept less than market value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Thanks, I thought some relatively knowledgeable folks were saying Diaw or Lorbek but not both, PERIOD. Glad to hear we have some chance to get both and upgrade an already killer roster, woohoo.
Then in 2014 we are in the catbird's seat with expiring Manu and Jax to the tune of $25 million...
Those contracts expire in 2013Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Right, so AFTER those contracts expire, we will play the 2014 season. I consider this the 2012 season, using the ending year not the beginning. We are stuck with those contracts in the 2013 season, but looking great for the 2012 season.
Contracts expire the year they expire. If you want to advance every season by one year to have it fit your world view of a season designated by the end, so be it, but you're talking your own language and will only confuse the issue,Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
So what do you call this season, genius? The 2011-2012 season? Only an ass clown would think the 2012 season means the 2012-2013 season, tbbh. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
Mel was just being aloof and you lapped it right up like his puppy!