Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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05-04-2012
smaka

Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

via twitter:

"@MagicInsider: BREAKING: Ryan Anderson to be named Most Improved Player"

so, my wish of Danny Green getting it didn't come true, but tbh, I am happy it's not Jeremy Lin...

What do you guys think about this?
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

I'd take Bonner over that fuck any day.
05-04-2012
hooperflash

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

I'd take Bonner over that fuck any day.

this

I didn't see improvement, Ryan Anderson has always been that type of player.
05-04-2012
hooperflash

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

i'm also looking at stats and considering Danny is a shooting guard that is not our go-to player like Ryan is forced to be and Danny doesn't have the luxery of getting higher percentage shots in the paint like Ryan, i'd say Danny's stats are more impressive

Danny's STATS
Ryan's STATS
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Although I love Green not winning it so that he would cost less to resign,imo.
05-04-2012
will_spurs

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

There's no MIP this year, so instead of being accused of voting for a story, and since they could obviously not vote for a Spurs player (there are rules against that, you know), they picked a random who didn't deserve it.

In MIP there's IMPROVED, so I don't care how well a player has been lpaying this year, he should play way above both last year and career average. In a way Parker is more improved than both Anderson and Green combined.

To me the true MIP (but who couldn't get MIP and 6th man award in the same year) is James Harden.

Harden has gained 4.6 points (more than Anderson), 1 rebound, 1.6 assists and has increased his FG% from .436 (very very average) to .491 (elite) and his 3P% from .349 (nice) to .390 (killer), while playing fewer than 5 minutes more per game.

Harden is the real reason why OKC did so well this year.
05-04-2012
hooperflash

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Although I love Green not winning it so that he would cost less to resign,imo.

i'm with you there bud
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by will_spurs

there's no mip this year, so instead of being accused of voting for a story, and since they could obviously not vote for a spurs player (there are rules against that, you know), they picked a random who didn't deserve it.

In mip there's improved, so i don't care how well a player has been lpaying this year, he should play way above both last year and career average. In a way parker is more improved than both anderson and green combined.

To me the true mip (but who couldn't get mip and 6th man award in the same year) is james harden.

Harden has gained 4.6 points (more than anderson), 1 rebound, 1.6 assists and has increased his fg% from .436 (very very average) to .491 (elite) and his 3p% from .349 (nice) to .390 (killer), while playing fewer than 5 minutes more per game.

harden is the real reason why okc did so well this year.

+1
05-04-2012
Legacy

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...f?t=1304300019
05-04-2012
hooperflash

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

^ :lol
05-04-2012
coyotes_geek

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Although I love Green not winning it so that he would cost less to resign,imo.

Meh. I doubt GM's give much of a shit about awards like MIP when deciding how big a contract to offer someone.
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Meh. I doubt GM's give much of a shit about awards like MIP when deciding how big a contract to offer someone.

Giving them recognition puts them in the market.
05-04-2012
Dex

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Although I love Green not winning it so that he would cost less to resign,imo.

This right here.
05-04-2012
coyotes_geek

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Giving them recognition puts them in the market.

GM's don't rely on awards handed out by the media to recognize players.
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

GM's don't rely on awards handed out by the media to recognize players.

Not really. Media has so much influence these days.
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Meh. I doubt GM's give much of a shit about awards like MIP when deciding how big a contract to offer someone.

Exactly.

lol @ the Hedu example. Hedo got the award in 2008. He got his new contract in 2009 after being a critical piece on Orlando's run to the NBA Finals.
05-04-2012
_jin

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Meh. I doubt GM's give much of a shit about awards like MIP when deciding how big a contract to offer someone.

ask Diaw ;)
05-04-2012
coyotes_geek

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by donjuansdaddy

I don't know about that, Hedu got a big contract after receiving the award. I am sure GM's don't heavily factor award like this on a player's asking price, but player's agent can you use it as a bargaining chip to drive up their players price.

The big contract and the award both resulted from Hedo having played well. Him getting the award didn't cause the big contract. I'm sure agents do try to use awards as a cherry on top of their pitch for as big a contract as possible, but I can't see any GM worth a damn buying in to that. It's what happens on the court that matters, not winning some media popularity contest.

All that being said, I'd love to be wrong about this and have every GM in need of a SG/SF to think "How can Green be that good if he didn't win MIP."
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Anderson was widely considered the frontrunner for most of the season and that's basically how he took it, as his season averages evened out by the end of the year. His points per 36 minutes only increased by .9, his rebounds per 36 by only .4 and his field goal percentage by only .9 percentage points. That's right, a guy known for his improved shooting didn't even shoot one whole percentge point better.

It gets worse when we look at his percentage of team wide production. Anderson's rebound percentage actually dropped year over year, as did his TrueShooting Percentage.

So the stats, they are not kind to Anderson's "improvement."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...tball/18962983
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

I'm just saying, having recognition from the media gives more chance for a player to be costing higher. It's not all about the Gm's too, players have agents, and agents will take advantage of those awards.
05-04-2012
coyotes_geek

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Not really. Media has so much influence these days.

:lol

Any GM who relies on the media to tell him who the good players are isn't going to be employed very long.
05-04-2012
Venti Quattro

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

I'd take Bonner over that fuck any day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashZo

this

I didn't see improvement, Ryan Anderson has always been that type of player.

Quality takes.
05-04-2012
100%duncan

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

:lol

Any GM who relies on the media to tell him who the good players are isn't going to be employed very long.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venti Quattro

Quality takes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100%duncan

I'm just saying, having recognition from the media gives more chance for a player to be costing higher. It's not all about the Gm's too, players have agents, and agents will take advantage of those awards.

Aight.
05-04-2012
Mugen

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

I'd take Bonner over that fuck any day.

That's dumb.
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by Venti Quattro

Quality takes.

The Bonner take was a bit crude, but not without merit. The take on Anderson's improvement year-to-year is backed up by the facts.
05-04-2012
Mugen

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Anderson would have to regress a lot to only be considered marginally better than Matt.
05-04-2012
Venti Quattro

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Anderson would have to regress a lot to only be considered marginally better than Matt.

An entire fanbase has to hate his fucking guts.
05-04-2012
coyotes_geek

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by _jin

ask Diaw ;)

Can we ask Aaron Brooks too?
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Anderson would have to regress a lot to only be considered marginally better than Matt.

Check out Anderson's bonnerific declines every year in the playoffs. He's a regular season player just like Matt. A better version, to be sure, but he's about to get paid like an All-Star, not the role player that he is.
05-04-2012
_jin

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Can we ask Aaron Brooks too?

he got himself a big contract. Well, a big contract in yuans but still :lol
05-04-2012
jesterbobman

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Seeing as Anderson practically didn't improve at all, it's shocking. Pek, Ilyasova, Harden all seem like far better candidates. Not too surprising for Anderson to win though, in a media awards race, scoring per game always seems to matter a lot more than it should.
05-04-2012
Mugen

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mel_13

Check out Anderson's bonnerific declines every year in the playoffs. He's a regular season player just like Matt. A better version, to be sure, but he's about to get paid like an All-Star, not the role player that he is.

That's all I'm saying.

I wouldn't want either on the Spurs, tbh.
05-04-2012
eric365

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by will_spurs

To me the true MIP (but who couldn't get MIP and 6th man award in the same year) is James Harden.

Harden has gained 4.6 points (more than Anderson), 1 rebound, 1.6 assists and has increased his FG% from .436 (very very average) to .491 (elite) and his 3P% from .349 (nice) to .390 (killer), while playing fewer than 5 minutes more per game.

Harden is the real reason why OKC did so well this year.

Yeah he can't have both MIP and 6 man of the year
I don't really know why they don't want to give 2 awards to the same player
05-04-2012
_jin

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Yep, Harden was clearly the most improved player this season. Andrew Bynum and Ilyasova would be up there too imo.
Pek and Lin would have made good cases had they played more, because of their injuries
Cousins and Monroe also improved a lot but, as sophomore lottery picks, they are expected to improve so I don't even think those should be considered.
Anderson didn't improve a lot, his playing time increased but his production remained similar to what he used to do.
05-04-2012
Mel_13

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Danny Green finished 9th in the voting:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/04/m...proved-player/
05-04-2012
_jin

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

lol Bogut getting one 1st place vote.
05-04-2012
DPG21920

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

My top 3 would have been Paul George, Ty Lawson and Hibbert.
05-04-2012
T Park

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

The fans hate of Bonner on this forum has been an embarassment.

Taken to the lengths by some asswaffles of cheering the news he was injured.
05-04-2012
CitizenDwayne

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Bynum and Goran would have been better choices. Don't think Danny deserved it, but why exactly did this guy win?

Feel like the media really wanted him to win (he was always mentioned in the running), but not sure why they would have a pro-Ryan Anderson bias.
05-04-2012
DPG21920

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by T Park

The fans hate of Bonner on this forum has been an embarassment.

Taken to the lengths by some asswaffles of cheering the news he was injured.

Kind of like you piling on Tiago for being "soft" even though it was Pop's decision to hold him out.
05-04-2012
FromWayDowntown

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Danny Green finished 9th in the voting:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/04/m...proved-player/

Fascinated that Tony Parker got a 2nd place vote for this award.

I wonder how many times a 4-time all-star in his 11th season has gotten votes for Most Improved -- and particularly one who has received MVP votes in 4 different seasons (soon to be 5) and has been in the top 12 of MVP voting on three different occasions.
05-04-2012
Pocket Hippo

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

If Howard doesn't get hurt Anderson doesn't get this award, voters felt sorry for the Magic I guess.
"Dear Magic,
Next year you won't have Howard or Van Gundy, maybe this consolation prize will increase Anderson's trade value... you are going to need it.
Sucks to be you,
-The Press"
05-05-2012
ploto

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

I was rooting for Roy Hibbert- had hoped he would have come in a little higher than he did.
05-05-2012
TDMVPDPOY

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

i think players on their contract year have no business winning the MIP if they cant back it up the following year...
05-05-2012
therealtruth

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Fascinated that Tony Parker got a 2nd place vote for this award.

I wonder how many times a 4-time all-star in his 11th season has gotten votes for Most Improved -- and particularly one who has received MVP votes in 4 different seasons (soon to be 5) and has been in the top 12 of MVP voting on three different occasions.

Tony has really improved his passing this season.
05-05-2012
The ADMIRAL 50

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

:lol why did anyone ever think Green was gonna win? a guy averaging, what, 8 PPG on the spurs is never going to win any award ever. well, maybe the citizenship award.

buzz and stats are mostly what this award is about, D Green had a truly spectacular year but had neither
05-05-2012
ploto

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I wonder how many times a 4-time all-star in his 11th season has gotten votes for Most Improved -- and particularly one who has received MVP votes in 4 different seasons (soon to be 5) and has been in the top 12 of MVP voting on three different occasions.

In the 2004-2005 season, Shaq got one first place vote for MIP. By then he had already been named the NBA's MVP and a three-time Finals MVP. He even got a second place vote for MIP in 2007-2008!

I also found one third place vote for Kobe for MIP in 2005-2006.
05-05-2012
FromWayDowntown

Re: Ryan Anderson to be named the MIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by ploto

In the 2004-2005 season, Shaq got one first place vote for MIP. By then he had already been named the NBA's MVP and a three-time Finals MVP. He even got a second place vote for MIP in 2007-2008!

I also found one third place vote for Kobe for MIP in 2005-2006.

Interesting. Thanks for looking that up.

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