Flopping

You cannot fix flopping as long as fouls are not reviewable. If fouls were reviewable, the coach could have 3 or 4 challenges. If he loses the challenge, he gives up one of his challenges, if he win, he doesn't and he's not charged for a timeout. If there was a flop, and it's decided as much, then the offender gets a foul against him and gives up 2 shots and the ball out of bounds.

If the coach challenges the foul on the grounds of flopping, and he's wrong (he rarely would be), the opposing team gets 2 free throws and the ball out of bounds.

The refs should be left out of it.

There would be no challenges for anything other than flopping. Knowing how to take a charge isn't flopping. That shit CP3 does is flopping.

some good flop examples here, lol:

http://clutch.mtv.com/2012/06/19/wor...=share_twitter

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Originally Posted by vander

nah, it was brought over by players from soccer countries

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your mom flops

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Originally Posted by DMC

You cannot fix flopping as long as fouls are not reviewable. .

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That wont chnage but there was an article the other day saying Stern wants to make it retro-active.. as in after the game review the video. Fines or technicals would seem the most logical.

The Australian football league, australia's biggest sporting comp introduced something similar this season where there is a review of the game tape, if there's any staging (acting) the player gets a fine and i think it can lead to suspension if they continue to do it. 2 players have already been bitten and has lead to a lot of un-wanted publicity and embarressment

Shocked there was no mention of James Harden who i think has taken it to a whole new level. He flops and flails in so many ways. The one where he shoots a three, kicks out his legs and lands on his backside is the worst. Those ones are clear-cut on video.

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Originally Posted by Silent

Chris Paul - KING of flopps

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Harden is gunning for that crown tbh lol.

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Originally Posted by SamoanTD

Harden is gunning for that crown tbh lol.

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Nah, CP3 has subtlety. Harden's flops are too obvious.

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Originally Posted by racm

Nah, CP3 has subtlety. Harden's flops are too obvious.

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:lol

See sig

best remendy is to stop calling fouls when the "fouled" person clearly flops to exaggerate the contact. After a few weeks the floppers will get the message: if you flop the refs won't save you.

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Originally Posted by PublicOption

Well if the refs called the games like they used to, players wouldn't have to flop.

How do you think teams avg. 110pts a game in the late 70's early 80's.

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exactly...you want to stop flopping, here's a crazy notion....Don't call so many damn fouls!!!

Remember what playoff basketball looked like in the 80s and 90s?

But seriously folks, the whole reason refs started calling touch fouls was due to teams like Spurs dominating, league needed to "create" fouls by making everything potentially a foul; in order to control the outcomes of games. Now Stern is surprised that all the players are faking calls and getting legitimate calls based on the shitty touch rules.

Change the dang rules if you want players to stop faking it....but beware, teams like the Spurs might actually start winning.

They already told the refs at the start of this season to be mindful of flops and ignore calls by players that look like they're forcing the action of a foul...yet guess what? That didn't stop them from calling those types of fouls when the NBA needed certain teams to win.

Stern thinks this is a players issue...IT IS NOT! This is a refs issue; after all the refs dictate everything about the game today anyway....what a joke.

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Originally Posted by wut

exactly...you want to stop flopping, here's a crazy notion....Don't call so many damn fouls!!!

Remember what playoff basketball looked like in the 80s and 90s?

But seriously folks, the whole reason refs started calling touch fouls was due to teams like Spurs dominating, league needed to "create" fouls by making everything potentially a foul; in order to control the outcomes of games. Now Stern is surprised that all the players are faking calls and getting legitimate calls based on the shitty touch rules.

Change the dang rules if you want players to stop faking it....but beware, teams like the Spurs might actually start winning.

They already told the refs at the start of this season to be mindful of flops and ignore calls by players that look like they're forcing the action of a foul...yet guess what? That didn't stop them from calling those types of fouls when the NBA needed certain teams to win.

Stern thinks this is a players issue...IT IS NOT! This is a refs issue; after all the refs dictate everything about the game today anyway....what a joke.

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The reason they started calling more fouls was to help increase scoring. The Spurs already are one of the teams that foul the least.

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Originally Posted by ace3g

some good flop examples here, lol:

http://clutch.mtv.com/2012/06/19/wor...=share_twitter

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That was some funny shit right there. CP3's "heliflopter" was the best. :lol

Flopping is not the issue. If a player flops to exaggerate contact that WAS PRESENT, meaning, he gets slammed in to by a charging offensive player (who let's face it, if is named Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Wade, LeBron, etc, will NOT get called for a charge), or if you flop after getting hit by a moving or illegal screen to draw attention to it, then I am perfectly fine with it if it forces the ref to make the correct fucking call for once. Something they apparently don't do very often anymore when it comes to those specific plays.


So imo, the real issue is NOT flopping, it's not being able to challenge stupid calls. If you could challenge calls, coaches are free to challenge on flop plays which would erase the "benefit" of getting calls on those "acadamy award" flops where players flail around on minimal or no contact to try and draw a call they never should've gotten in the first place.

Adding challenges (and there should be more than the NFL's 2, because there's a lot more plays in an NBA game than an NFL one), would eliminate both the "bad flopping" that people hate, and would relieve the headaches and frustration that a lot of small market fans have over extremely bogus officiating.

Yes, refs will still make terrible calls, but at least it removes the excuse of human error and "well the plays move so fast", which we all know is just a bullshit excuse for built-in fixing during key moments and games for very specific league-preferred teams.

It won't go away, ever. Refs cannot even determine who fouled whom, as they often give the foul to the non-critical player instead of the one who actually committed the foul. They cannot determine out of bounds plays, who touched the ball last, even when it's obvious. How the hell are they going to tell that someone flopped? If there's a whistle, the ref is already hooked.

The game is played so fast that no one can see all that goes on and determine the result of a screen or charge. They all get together and talk it over, and still get it wrong.