Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Sure. But it's not the authority of one individual... as in "I believe x is true because person a says so."
This is why there is a scientific process, including replication. Science is a collective body on knowledge, not some guy calling the shots and making proclamations.
There's nothing wrong with believing something because authority deems it so, and there's nothing wrong with not believing it because you don't trust the authority, but both sides really are left to just their own epistemological nuances.
The scientific process does exist, but you're taking the word of individuals that it was carried out properly. You didn't do it yourself. Otherwise it would be a huge issue that data was compromised by using ship data instead of buoy data. Since human elements are involved and many scientists build on foundations set by others, folks like us rarely really question the foundation of how the data was gathered. You see it all the time here with various stats with little regard to how they were collected, why and by whom.
02-10-2017
spurraider21
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by DMC
There's nothing wrong with believing something because authority deems it so, and there's nothing wrong with not believing it because you don't trust the authority, but both sides really are left to just their own epistemological nuances.
The scientific process does exist, but you're taking the word of individuals that it was carried out properly. You didn't do it yourself. Otherwise it would be a huge issue that data was compromised by using ship data instead of buoy data. Since human elements are involved and many scientists build on foundations set by others, folks like us rarely really question the foundation of how the data was gathered. You see it all the time here with various stats with little regard to how they were collected, why and by whom.
which is what makes the process so important. if the data was fabricated, the author of that paper would be exposed as soon as various groups attempting to replicate the findings aren't able to.
it admittedly falls apart if there has been a global, 60+ year conspiracy
02-10-2017
Thread
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
which is what makes the process so important. if the data was fabricated, the author of that paper would be exposed as soon as various groups attempting to replicate the findings aren't able to.
it admittedly falls apart if there has been a global, 60+ year conspiracy
Damn, I'll be six feet under and surrounded by wood in the balance of 45 years, 21.
You lucky thing, you.
02-10-2017
DMC
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
which is what makes the process so important. if the data was fabricated, the author of that paper would be exposed as soon as various groups attempting to replicate the findings aren't able to.
it admittedly falls apart if there has been a global, 60+ year conspiracy
Well sure, but not before a bunch of non-scientists began a religion around it while a bunch of naysayers with folded arms simply turned a deaf ear.
03-16-2017
spurraider21
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Yawn.
Seen it. It's meaningless.
03-17-2017
spurraider21
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Yawn.
Seen it. It's meaningless.
i mean, it's not meant to be an all-inclusive proof of AGW. it's more so aimed at audiences who:
a) don't even acknowledge that there's been significant warming in the last century
b) or even if they acknowledge there's been some warming, think it's just business as usual as the climate has always changed. the chart shows that the recent warming is not consistent with previous, gradual long-term changes (there is no 500 year window in this timetable with a 1 degree change... and yet we've had more than a 1 degree shift in the last century)
the causes of that warming are a different discussion, though fairly obvious and well understood in the scientific community
04-05-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Carbon Dioxide Could Reach Levels Unseen in 50 Million Years
Maybe you could apply your vast talents to explaining away 375,000,000,000 TONS of vanishing ice from the Greenland ice sheet each year, and how that isn't a problem.
05-02-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
i mean, it's not meant to be an all-inclusive proof of AGW. it's more so aimed at audiences who:
a) don't even acknowledge that there's been significant warming in the last century
b) or even if they acknowledge there's been some warming, think it's just business as usual as the climate has always changed. the chart shows that the recent warming is not consistent with previous, gradual long-term changes (there is no 500 year window in this timetable with a 1 degree change... and yet we've had more than a 1 degree shift in the last century)
the causes of that warming are a different discussion, though fairly obvious and well understood in the scientific community
Good article summing things up, as well as some economic effects (shocker):
Maybe you could apply your vast talents to explaining away 375,000,000,000 TONS of vanishing ice every year from the Greenland ice sheet, and how that isn't a problem.
Mar-a-Lago going under, along with 1/3 of FL
05-02-2017
spurraider21
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Maybe you could apply your vast talents to explaining away 375,000,000,000 TONS of vanishing ice every year from the Greenland ice sheet, and how that isn't a problem.
But the antarctic is gaining 80 billion :cry
That cancels out the 375
05-02-2017
Wild Cobra
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Mar-a-Lago going under, along with 1/3 of FL
Statements like that are why people laugh at idiots like you.
05-02-2017
Chucho
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Both sides are laughable and ponderous with their stances. To deny that it is getting hotter than a fuck is retarded beyond belief but putting a fucking non-scientist pedophile idiot like Bill Nye behind your fear mongering and stupid "we're all gonna drown" apocalyptic-scenario propaganda is of course the next jump in ridiculous posturing.
It's fucking hot. Nothing is going to change it. Big Oil gets its belly rubbed by the Dems and the Repubs, so it's more PR posturing from both sides than anyone actually every doing anything that isn't financially motivated. Someone will come in and say, "but they did this, this and this" and selectively ignore their party's actions or lack of, and it's one big clusterfuck.
This is definitely a gangbang of fuckery from both sides and I fucking HATE, HATE HATE hot weather and not wanting to step outside. Makes me want my move to Boise to come sooner.
05-03-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Mar-a-Lago going under, along with 1/3 of FL
Oh the irony.
05-03-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Chucho
Both sides are laughable and ponderous with their stances. To deny that it is getting hotter than a fuck is retarded beyond belief but putting a fucking non-scientist pedophile idiot like Bill Nye behind your fear mongering and stupid "we're all gonna drown" apocalyptic-scenario propaganda is of course the next jump in ridiculous posturing.
It's fucking hot. Nothing is going to change it. Big Oil gets its belly rubbed by the Dems and the Repubs, so it's more PR posturing from both sides than anyone actually every doing anything that isn't financially motivated. Someone will come in and say, "but they did this, this and this" and selectively ignore their party's actions or lack of, and it's one big clusterfuck.
This is definitely a gangbang of fuckery from both sides and I fucking HATE, HATE HATE hot weather and not wanting to step outside. Makes me want my move to Boise to come sooner.
Posted this bit before. It is an attempt to do some risk-analysis on the subject. The guy goes into a lot more detail in the later videos after getting tons of feedback that make the whole body of work better than this first, basic attempt.
I have said all along that there is no evidence that I have seen, despite asking and looking at what passes for it (DarrinS posted a flawed study once that was the best I have seen, and that says a lot) taking modest steps to mitigate CO2 emissions is all that harmful to the overall economy.
Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables offers jobs, if not more jobs (especially ones that can't be outsourced).
Given the huge potential downside, and some solid tangible benefits to an economy (especially the avoidance of the nasty pollution problems that accompany fossil fuel extraction), it seems to me to be a no brainer.
In short:
Yeah, the science is fairly well along, and shows a human cause to the changes in our climate. The only quibbling is about the scale.
Downside is pretty bad, and easily avoided by steps that offer potential for economic growth.
05-03-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Chucho
It's fucking hot. Nothing is going to change it. Big Oil gets its belly rubbed by the Dems and the Repubs, so it's more PR posturing from both sides than anyone actually every doing anything that isn't financially motivated. Someone will come in and say, "but they did this, this and this" and selectively ignore their party's actions or lack of, and it's one big clusterfuck.
Part and parcel of how moneyed interests can drive "solutions" that benefit narrow interests while messing over the rest of us.
The good thing is that green energy interests and jobs are starting to flex their own muscles in that regard.
It is funny watching the people who think of themselves as "free market champions" and have used free market arguments to rail against "expensive" green energy, now have to see the concrete benefits of economies of scale, and how that reduces per unit costs, a very basic microecnomic concept, that I have been pointing out would happen with a modest investment for years.
"but, but, free markets" never really was a valid excuse but it is really really thin and getting thinner with each passing financial quarter, because those free markets are, quite literally in some cases, driving innovation, job creation, and economic output when it comes to renewables and other green energy.
05-03-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Statements like that are why people laugh at idiots like you.
That's almost as bad as claiming a science reporter is completely inaccurate because of a immaterial spelling mistake. That was risible.
05-03-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Statements like that are why people laugh at idiots like you.
It's gonna happen, there's no stopping it, thanks to idiots like you.
05-03-2017
Wild Cobra
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
That's almost as bad as claiming a science reporter is completely inaccurate because of a immaterial spelling mistake. That was risible.
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
It's gonna happen, there's no stopping it, thanks to idiots like you.
You really think 1/3rd of Florida will go too?
05-03-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You really think 1/3rd of Florida will go too?
Do Your Own Research
--WC
05-04-2017
Wild Cobra
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Do Your Own Research
--WC
LOL...
You are such a loser.
I asked a question of opinion. Not fact. How can I research the opinion of a fucktard like you?
05-04-2017
Chris
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
Excellent discussion here. Someone who has been studying this for 35 years...
05-04-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
LOL...
You are such a loser.
I asked a question of opinion. Not fact. How can I research the opinion of a fucktard like you?
