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06-23-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by wut

No other sport has the match so dictated by the refs. The flow of the game, the speed, the physicality....all dictated by the refs....and for that reason alone you can never claim that basketball is a sport.

From now on, I'm going to keep watching the Spurs but watch games with a grain of salt....which is to say that I will watch knowing at any point the refs can decide the outcome....and just come to terms with the truth: The NBA is entertainment, not sport.

truth. this man sees the light.

this may be a stupid question.... but have u ever thought that if the NBA werent rigged they would allow instant replay?

why is there instant replay in the NFL but not the NBA?
06-23-2012
Arcadian

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by BC3

not overboard. NBA = WWE on hardwood.

why would it be so hard to imagine this? Its a PROFIT game. And the NBA wants to stay relevant or alive.

Because a basketball game is far more determined by the players on the court than a wrestling (or boxing) match.

In wrestling/boxing, the final score is determined by human judgment. There is supposed to be an objective basis for it, but ultimately it comes down to human judgment with human error.

In basketball, points are objectively determined. When the ball goes in the basket, points are awarded. The number of points depends on where the player was standing when he shot the ball. There is definitely room for bad calls to taint the outcome, but the scoring is directly determined by the players.

Trust me, I hate the way business and money affect the world just as much as you do. But when a more parsimonious explanation is available, I will err on the side of parsimony. Error in human judgment is a known fact of psychology. We don't need to invoke conspiracy theories to account for them.
06-23-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Arcadian

Because a basketball game is far more determined by the players on the court than a wrestling (or boxing) match.

In wrestling/boxing, the final score is determined by human judgment. There is supposed to be an objective basis for it, but ultimately it comes down to human judgment with human error.

In basketball, points are objectively determined. When the ball goes in the basket, points are awarded. The number of points depends on where the player was standing when he shot the ball. There is definitely room for bad calls to taint the outcome, but the scoring is directly determined by the players.

Trust me, I hate the way business and money affect the world just as much as you do. But when a more parsimonious explanation is available, I will err on the side of parsimony. Error in human judgment is a known fact of psychology. We don't need to invoke conspiracy theories to account for them.

i agree. in basketball. however this is not just basketball its the NBA and the NBA is a business just like any other corporation where PROFIT rules the roost. I also know that there exists DISNFO agents to try and ridule the term "conspiracy theories" and anyone that believes them as mere tin hat wearers with no sense of credibility. That doesnt mean ALL theories are wrong or off. Some are and some arent. Just like anything else. I too believed the way you did back in 2008 and previous that. Now after the few seasons after 2008 and this recent game between the thunder n spurs and the heat game i have no shred of evidence pointing towards the NBA as not rigged. None. I cant come to any logical conclusion that its clean or not a theater or not rigged. Everything weighs heavy on the rigged side. True there is a lot of human error but that goes for the side that doesnt believe that the NBA is rigged as well. It can go both ways. My assumptions is whats happening on the court and off the court. Proof in the pudding. Some people dont want to believe it because they have been programmed to believe all conspiracy theories are bad or wrong (disinfo wars) or they just dont want to believe the NBA has turned into what they dont want it to be just pure entertainment the likes of which happen in the WWE. They have invested tooo much into their team to believe something so slanderous or conspiracy theories-ish. Ignorance is bliss.
06-23-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

Can anyone tell me why there isnt expanded instant replay in the NBA like there is in the NFL for all calls that the ref makes?
06-23-2012
Poolboy5623

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Originally Posted by BC3

Can anyone tell me why there isnt expanded instant replay in the NBA like there is in the NFL for all calls that the ref makes?

They have made changes with looking at certain plays during certain situations. ...replay in basketball would get out of control, they'd literally have to replay almost every play, otherwise they're will still be the controversy of the plays not reviewed. That and it'll make the game slower and take longer. With that being said I never wanted to believe the NBA was rigged but lately I've wondered....
06-23-2012
Poolboy5623

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If it is staged why have the "small market, boring" spurs won 4 championships? I know ratings In the US where very low but globally They were huge...that was also at the time the foreign players were really coming out also...does the NBA make $$ off people In other countries watching?
06-23-2012
therealtruth

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by wut

No other sport has the match so dictated by the refs. The flow of the game, the speed, the physicality....all dictated by the refs....and for that reason alone you can never claim that basketball is a sport.

From now on, I'm going to keep watching the Spurs but watch games with a grain of salt....which is to say that I will watch knowing at any point the refs can decide the outcome....and just come to terms with the truth: The NBA is entertainment, not sport.

The refs only get involved if there's contact. If you hit all outside shots you keep the refs out of the game. At the same time you can force the refs to make calls by being aggressive. The refs tend to favor the more aggressive team.
06-23-2012
Legacy

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Originally Posted by Poolboy5623

If it is staged why have the "small market, boring" spurs won 4 championships? I know ratings In the US where very low but globally They were huge...that was also at the time the foreign players were really coming out also...does the NBA make $$ off people In other countries watching?

I've always wondered about this, too, tbh ... with the huge numbers of international fans The Spurs have. There has to be some money involved, c'mon. Makes complete sense to me, working in marketing and business for 6 years and all... as well as being an entrepreneur myself. :hat
06-23-2012
jimo2305

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Originally Posted by Poolboy5623

If it is staged why have the "small market, boring" spurs won 4 championships? I know ratings In the US where very low but globally They were huge...that was also at the time the foreign players were really coming out also...does the NBA make $$ off people In other countries watching?

just answered your own question there bro..

when i say the league is rigged.. im not saying to the point of predetermined outcomes all the time, as if nobody would have a chance if stern doesn't want you to do so. The talent pool that actually gets drafted to the NBA is such a small percentage of all professional and amateur basketball players alike so parity talent-wise amongst the NBA players isn't as large as it the league and media make it out to be. Every team has the ability to beat every other team, but when you add other intangibles to the mix like stronger team chemistry and effective coaching, that's what put a team over another. The stronger it is, the less effective biased/favorable officiating becomes.. that is unless you really have an agenda to give the much more marketable/profitable team the edge over the more talented one:

did the spurs get some biased calls during their championship run? yes.. i wont' deny that.. especially when there's an agenda. Spurs and Detroit's seasons in '04 and '05 may have been boring to watch those years, but those guys played hardnosed oldschool fundamental ball with team chem that was nearly flawless on the court that not even the biased officiating could bail them out..
06-24-2012
Sean Cagney

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Originally Posted by jimo2305

just answered your own question there bro..

when i say the league is rigged.. im not saying to the point of predetermined outcomes all the time, as if nobody would have a chance if stern doesn't want you to do so. The talent pool that actually gets drafted to the NBA is such a small percentage of all professional and amateur basketball players alike so parity talent-wise amongst the NBA players isn't as large as it the league and media make it out to be. Every team has the ability to beat every other team, but when you add other intangibles to the mix like stronger team chemistry and effective coaching, that's what put a team over another. The stronger it is, the less effective biased/favorable officiating becomes.. that is unless you really have an agenda to give the much more marketable/profitable team the edge over the more talented one:

Games

did the spurs get some biased calls during their championship run? yes.. i wont' deny that.. especially when there's an agenda. Spurs and Detroit's seasons in '04 and '05 may have been boring to watch those years, but those guys played hardnosed oldschool fundamental ball with team chem that was nearly flawless on the court that not even the biased officiating could bail them out..

Games 1-4 were a borefest for fans in 05, but games 5-7 were flat out down to the wire classics and worthy of being mentioned as a classic series off those games alone! MAN those games were classic! I loved that 05 series, F the hype it was one for the ages! How many go down to the last mins of the finals in game 7? This was a classic to me, very slept on.
06-24-2012
racm

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

Games 1-4 were a borefest for fans in 05, but games 5-7 were flat out down to the wire classics and worthy of being mentioned as a classic series off those games alone! MAN those games were classic! I loved that 05 series, F the hype it was one for the ages! How many go down to the last mins of the finals in game 7? This was a classic to me, very slept on.

Of course the first four were boring, they were comfortable double-digit wins.

Game 5 was basically Horry going into clutch mode. 6 was the Pistons preventing an immediate closeout. Game 7 was the best one.
06-24-2012
Sean Cagney

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Originally Posted by racm

Of course the first four were boring, they were comfortable double-digit wins.

Game 5 was basically Horry going into clutch mode. 6 was the Pistons preventing an immediate closeout. Game 7 was the best one.

I wish I had the full game 5-7 on DVD! WOW what a trio those games were, classic! I still can remember most of them in my head fully! Those were flat out classics!

I loved game 7 man fully but I still felt Game 5 won it all! I felt that was the classic game of the series and the best one! one Pt win man! Game 5 in the game that usually decides the winner in a 7 game series! That game 5 was full out magic, one I will not see again soon as a Spurs fan in a finals series!

Do the Spurs win game 6 if they lost game 5? Lord only knows, but if this went to game 6 with us down they could possibly pull one out! Game 5 let them have the luxury of having two at home with one to win! That game WAS FLAT OUT HUGE! BIGTIME.
06-24-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Poolboy5623

If it is staged why have the "small market, boring" spurs won 4 championships? I know ratings In the US where very low but globally They were huge...that was also at the time the foreign players were really coming out also...does the NBA make $$ off people In other countries watching?

good question. i have seen it before though. but that question comes from the mind of an aware and curious mind not from a sheep mind.

jimo2305 and Legacy put out some good points also and I agree with what jimo2305 is saying. I find that plausible as well. It's not a 100% determined outcome. Its directed to a point. Sometimes teams can and will beat or manage to beat the STERN based program. STERN im pretty sure has the program manufactured in such a way where he can control the outcome most of the time. But like in any system you have to understand that it can't be full proof all the time and you have to let the system breath like that (blow off valve) or else it will implode or explode.

STERN realized that some of the companies lowest numbers in viewers for finals came when spurs played I guess. He will try and prevent that as much as he can?
#curious opinion, #i dont have the answers, #something is fishy
06-24-2012
TampaDude

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

I wish I had the full game 5-7 on DVD! WOW what a trio those games were, classic! I still can remember most of them in my head fully! Those were flat out classics!

I loved game 7 man fully but I still felt Game 5 won it all! I felt that was the classic game of the series and the best one! one Pt win man! Game 5 in the game that usually decides the winner in a 7 game series! That game 5 was full out magic, one I will not see again soon as a Spurs fan in a finals series!

Do the Spurs win game 6 if they lost game 5? Lord only knows, but if this went to game 6 with us down they could possibly pull one out! Game 5 let them have the luxury of having two at home with one to win! That game WAS FLAT OUT HUGE! BIGTIME.

The 2005 Finals was epic. Two of the best teams in NBA history at the peak of their power going the distance for all the marbles. For true fans of team basketball, one of the best if not the best finals ever. :hat
06-24-2012
Kidd K

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I'm not sure the Bulls would've beaten the Heat if Bosh was healthy tbh (you have to look at it both ways, Rose injured but Bosh was too which made their run tougher). But OKC and Miami were both worse than the Spurs this year.

But the "best team" clearly wasn't in the finals due to getting screwed by the officiating in multiple games in the WCF. I wholeheartedly agree with that.

Miami exposed OKC as not even belonging in the Finals, just like Dallas exposed them as not belonging in the WCF last year (despite OKC even getting quite a few "favorable calls" throughout that series too).

OKC has been getting artificially boosted by NBA officiating for 3 years now. The only teams the NBA will allow to beat them are teams with "stories" of similar interest.

This shit needs to end. I can't wait 'til Stern is no longer the commisioner. And I hope his "hand pick replacement" isn't the next commisioner either. The NBA needs to cut all ties with Stern imo, because he's always had rumors of fixing, rigging, and other bullshit surrounding him throughout his entire tenure as commisioner.

And yes, it's JUST Stern. . .because you don't hear those rampant and at least seemingly legitimate rumors about Bug Selig (MLB commisioner) or the other commisioners of the other major sports. It's just Stern and the NBA. NBA is still the ONLY major team sport that seems to be "fixing" things to keep it as interesting and marketable as possible.

And yes, I do watch other major sports (NFL, MLB, and occaisionally NHL), and no, I do not think or comment on them being "fixed" or "rigged" at any point. I only feel that way about basketball, and I've noticed the rigging a long time ago, not just recently.
06-24-2012
gospursgojas

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by wut

No other sport has the match so dictated by the refs. The flow of the game, the speed, the physicality....all dictated by the refs....and for that reason alone you can never claim that basketball is a sport.

From now on, I'm going to keep watching the Spurs but watch games with a grain of salt....which is to say that I will watch knowing at any point the refs can decide the outcome....and just come to terms with the truth: The NBA is entertainment, not sport.

Ill agree with this.

NBA is not rigged per se...but no other sport has such dictation by the refs, tempo, physicality, even the mental aspect of it (see: Killing Stephen Jackson giving Spurs mental edge game 6).

You'll never hear another sport's commentators saying things like..."they are really letting them play, a rookie's not gonna get that call, good job selling the foul". Bc other sport's fouls/violations are not subjective, they are the same for everyone, superstar, rookie, vet.
06-24-2012
Joel Anthony

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by BC3

i agree. in basketball. however this is not just basketball its the NBA and the NBA is a business just like any other corporation where PROFIT rules the roost. I also know that there exists DISNFO agents to try and ridule the term "conspiracy theories" and anyone that believes them as mere tin hat wearers with no sense of credibility. That doesnt mean ALL theories are wrong or off. Some are and some arent. Just like anything else. I too believed the way you did back in 2008 and previous that. Now after the few seasons after 2008 and this recent game between the thunder n spurs and the heat game i have no shred of evidence pointing towards the NBA as not rigged. None. I cant come to any logical conclusion that its clean or not a theater or not rigged. Everything weighs heavy on the rigged side. True there is a lot of human error but that goes for the side that doesnt believe that the NBA is rigged as well. It can go both ways. My assumptions is whats happening on the court and off the court. Proof in the pudding. Some people dont want to believe it because they have been programmed to believe all conspiracy theories are bad or wrong (disinfo wars) or they just dont want to believe the NBA has turned into what they dont want it to be just pure entertainment the likes of which happen in the WWE. They have invested tooo much into their team to believe something so slanderous or conspiracy theories-ish. Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by BC3

good question. i have seen it before though. but that question comes from the mind of an aware and curious mind not from a sheep mind.

jimo2305 and Legacy put out some good points also and I agree with what jimo2305 is saying. I find that plausible as well. It's not a 100% determined outcome. Its directed to a point. Sometimes teams can and will beat or manage to beat the STERN based program. STERN im pretty sure has the program manufactured in such a way where he can control the outcome most of the time. But like in any system you have to understand that it can't be full proof all the time and you have to let the system breath like that (blow off valve) or else it will implode or explode.

STERN realized that some of the companies lowest numbers in viewers for finals came when spurs played I guess. He will try and prevent that as much as he can?
#curious opinion, #i dont have the answers, #something is fishy

You really have no idea how idiotic you sound. You should kill yourself immediately tbh
06-24-2012
therealtruth

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by TampaDude

The 2005 Finals was epic. Two of the best teams in NBA history at the peak of their power going the distance for all the marbles. For true fans of team basketball, one of the best if not the best finals ever. :hat

I think what basketball purists liked about it was it was the high level of defense. Nothing came easy.
06-25-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Joel Anthony

You really have no idea how idiotic you sound. You should kill yourself immediately tbh

lame. thats all you got is cliche elementary criticism? please.

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06-25-2012
benefactor

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LOL my beautiful and still petite wife is from Panama and if she did not kick your ass out of sympathy for your lack of masculinity, bring it on, former boxer here and Army doc here with training in the martial arts and while I am middle aged and "heading for the senior tour" in life; would still undoubtedly kick your hiding between a screen name *&^ anytime.

LOL my beautiful and still petite wife is from Panama and if she did not kick your ass out of sympathy for your lack of masculinity, bring it on, former boxer here and Army doc here with training in the martial arts and while I am middle aged and "heading for the senior tour" in life; would still undoubtedly kick your hiding between a screen name *&^ anytime.

LOL my beautiful and still petite wife is from Panama and if she did not kick your ass out of sympathy for your lack of masculinity, bring it on, former boxer here and Army doc here with training in the martial arts and while I am middle aged and "heading for the senior tour" in life; would still undoubtedly kick your hiding between a screen name *&^ anytime.

LOL my beautiful and still petite wife is from Panama and if she did not kick your ass out of sympathy for your lack of masculinity, bring it on, former boxer here and Army doc here with training in the martial arts and while I am middle aged and "heading for the senior tour" in life; would still undoubtedly kick your hiding between a screen name *&^ anytime.

LOL my beautiful and still petite wife is from Panama and if she did not kick your ass out of sympathy for your lack of masculinity, bring it on, former boxer here and Army doc here with training in the martial arts and while I am middle aged and "heading for the senior tour" in life; would still undoubtedly kick your hiding between a screen name *&^ anytime.
06-27-2012
BC3

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by Poolboy5623

They have made changes with looking at certain plays during certain situations. ...replay in basketball would get out of control, they'd literally have to replay almost every play, otherwise they're will still be the controversy of the plays not reviewed. That and it'll make the game slower and take longer. With that being said I never wanted to believe the NBA was rigged but lately I've wondered....

good points.
well either fans need to get them to figure something out or all of you all are just going to continue watching WWE on hardwood.

unless most of you all like that option because this is getting pretty ridiculous
06-28-2012
temujin

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

The refs only get involved if there's contact. If you hit all outside shots you keep the refs out of the game. At the same time you can force the refs to make calls by being aggressive. The refs tend to favor the more aggressive team.

:rollin
06-28-2012
Venti Quattro

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:lol Rummpd
:lol The Good Doctor
:lol Panamanian wife
:lol skunked in the NBA forum
:lol shit takes
:lol shit predictions
06-28-2012
temujin

Re: Props to the 3rd best team beating the 4th best team

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Originally Posted by BC3

good points.
well either fans need to get them to figure something out or all of you all are just going to continue watching WWE on hardwood.

unless most of you all like that option because this is getting pretty ridiculous

Quite honestly, if someone is NOT convinced that the NBA is a business, and rather wants to think it is a sport (no less!!) after the G5 and G6 spectacular power display by refs in the OKC-Spurs series,
there is absolutely nothing you can write to convince him/her.
Waste no time.
They (i) never really were in the position to decide the fate of other people, (ii) need to believe the system (whatever it may be) is fair and they have a chance somewhen.
Obviously, most of them don't.

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