Would You Put Parker on the Block?

I know last off season was all about trading Parker. He responded with his best regular season ever, but he still was not able to carry the team into the finals. I have always thought that Parker is a great player but he is a regular season guy. I cannot see him elevating his game in the playoffs and carrying a team as Manu and Tim have done so many times before.

The question is: would you be open to shopping him now? I am not sure what teams would be interested or what we could get for him, but it is clear his trade value is at an all time high. He has a large but seemingly reasonable contract. We also have serviceable but not great options to replace him (De Colo, Mills, maybe Joseph if he can make huge strides this off season, or a point guard heavy free agent class). Or do you think he is worth keeping and building around in the post Duncan era?

That trade value dropped off quite a bit when he nearly lost an eye due to Drake and Chris Brown. Most teams are going to be cautious until he proves there is no lingering issues

There are doubtfully any trade scenarios involving Parker that make the Spurs better for the next season or two. Which completely goes against Duncan returning for a couple years, since he is not going to want to come back just for a rebuilding project.

Teams typically don't trade their best player, especially one that has been a franchise cornerstone and a good guy in the locker room and community for a decade. Even more so after following a season that finished with the league-best record (tied w/ CHI) and that ended in the WCF.

Yea that actually pissed me off quite a bit. Not very Spur-like to get in a bar fight with pop stars.

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Originally Posted by swaggerjackson

Yea that actually pissed me off quite a bit. Not very Spur-like to get in a bar fight with pop stars.

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He didn't "get in a bar fight". He was stuck in the middle of the altercation and was protecting his girlfriend.

Yes


He is a choker and an asshole


Ship his sorry ass

If I wanted to blow up the team and go all in for the lottery, then I'd trade him. If I thought I could contend for another year, I'd keep him.

Again, this ALL turns on what TD decides to do.

If TD retires, then yes bc he has value and it's the right thing to do by TP; that is, let him compete for another ring instead of entering rebuilding.

The only reason to even listen to a trade proposal involving Parker is if Duncan retires. Otherwise there's no way you trade the player whose skills you've built the team around.

And :rolleyes @ TP being a regular season player. Parker was asked to carry a load bigger than anyone in franchise history has carried not named Tim Duncan and got pretty darn close to the Finals.

LOL everyone blames Parker when Manu shoots 4-12 and is practically invisible in the elimination game.

I hate these Spurs fans who have never gone through a season of Vinny Del Negro and Chris Whitney running the point. Now half the board seems to be longing for that era again.

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Originally Posted by lefty

Yes


He is a choker and an asshole


Ship his sorry ass

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This

I would trade Manu before Parker.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I hate these Spurs fans who have never gone through a season of Vinny Del Negro and Chris Whitney running the point. Now half the board seems to be longing for that era again.

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Thank you - at the end of the day there is only a few guys that could come in and do better than TP (you could make an argument only 1 or 2)

Good luck trading your best player as of today. :lol

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Parker was asked to carry a load bigger than anyone in franchise history has carried not named Tim Duncan and got pretty darn close to the Finals.

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Silly newbie.
Parker was asked to carry a playoff load bigger than anyone in franchise history has carried not named George Gervin, David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

Parker is still a keeper. Is he untradeable? No, but I don't see any rational trades out there [and fewer than zero on Spurs Talk].

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Originally Posted by Drom John

Is he untradeable? No

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In the new NBA financial climate? Yes.

Trading Parker for picks would be rational if Duncan retires and you're ready to blow the team up, but it's so amazingly stupid when people think the Spurs could be a decent team next year trading their only star player for guys who aren't going to do much next season.

You also have to look at the teams that would actually trade for Parker. At 30, he is probably at the height of his skills. He won't get better than he is now and he won't stay this good for more than three years. So the only teams that will trade for him are: (1) Teams on the verge of winning a championship that need a point guard of his skills (problem w/ these teams, for example, the Lakers, is that they have limited resources to trade); (2) teams that need star power and Tony Parker has a name (Brooklyn team could use Parker after losing D. Williams); or (3) a really stupid GM that has no real plans for improving his team (Brooklyn could again fit this description, as could the Washington Wizards or Toronto Raptors, etc.).

There are scenarios out there, but realistically, these threads are more about venting one's hatred for Tony Parker, and less about actually making smart basketball moves. If we are contending for a title next year (hard to say we aren't after this year) then we won't get a player that moves us closer to that goal by trading Parker unless we could swing some Tony Parker for Deron Williams (sign and trade) assuming (a) Williams refuses to resign with the Nets (which he should do if he wants to win) and (b) he would be willing to come to S.A.

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Originally Posted by Drom John

Parker was asked to carry a playoff load bigger than anyone in franchise history has carried not named George Gervin, David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

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I guess I should have said "successfully carried" for those who need their hands held.

As mentioned earlier, nothing will happen until the TD situation is resolved. If Duncan decides to hang em up, then all bets are off and everyone not named Kawhi Leonard is trade bait (including Parker and Manu).

Everyone not named Duncan is on the block. Spurs will listen to all offers.

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Originally Posted by timvp

The only reason to even listen to a trade proposal involving Parker is if Duncan retires.

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That's the the answer to the question posed in the thread title.

But thanks to the OP for starting the thread. I was about to start a "Where are all the trade Tony threads?" thread.

lol "newbie"

"Successfully carried" to a 4-2 WCF loss for those who need their noses wiped.
On the hand held scale, Parker equalled Robinson, (but I'd still go with Robinson).

On the new wiped nose scale, Gervin in the ECF versus the Bullets drops Parker to at least third. Gervin in 1979 was the best player in the Bullet series. Too many of you kids don't appreciate how good Gervin was.

I'd have to put Ginobili in 2005 well above Parker also.

In the initial scale, Parker at 5th is still damn good, and not worth the derision of the board about his on court playofff performance.

The best two PGs in the 2012 playoffs lost in the conference finals.

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Originally Posted by Drom John

"Successfully carried" to a 4-2 WCF loss for those who need their noses wiped.

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*facepalm*

You switched out the wrong "carry". Let me start over.

Parker was asked to carry a load bigger than anyone in franchise history has successfully carried to a championship not named Tim Duncan and got pretty darn close to the Finals.

Parker would have had to have carried more load than 2005 Manu. The only player in the ballpark would be 1999 Robinson ... and even he had a Prime Duncan on his side. 2012 Parker had nothing approaching 1999 or 2005 Duncan to help.

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Originally Posted by Randy Watson

Not now. I think the Spurs are going to trade him once Manu and Timmy retires

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Manu probably retires at the same time or before Duncan, tbh.

WoW.

Spurs can trade Parker because they have Patrick Mills and Cory Joseph? :lmao

what can you expect to get in return for a 1 eyed frenchy?

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Originally Posted by clambake

what can you expect to get in return for a 1 eyed frenchy?

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*waiting for the punchline*

didn't think that far ahead. i'll get on it!

a) would have to be a great package.
b) no duncan or manu next year
c) teams would want to know TP's health status. No one wants to trade a big piece for a possibly half blind point guard.

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Originally Posted by clambake

what can you expect to get in return for a 1 eyed frenchy?

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A seven footed german?:downspin:

the spurs aren't going to enter rebuilding mode while Duncan is around. Parker is here to stay

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Originally Posted by edmon

A seven footed german?:downspin:

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you guys would be fucking awesome with dirk.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

LOL everyone blames Parker when Manu shoots 4-12 and is practically invisible in the elimination game.

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That's a little extreme. Parker's not to blame obviously, he's just more tradable at this point in their careers than Manu. That's the only reason people always want to trade Parker. It's not because they're in love with Manu so much as it is he's older.

My thought is if we were able to land a quality big man to put beside Duncan we would be a substantially better team. I am not claiming that there are numerous other point guards who could play better than Parker, what I am saying is that acquiring a solid inside presence at both ends to compliment Duncan is more beneficial to the team then Tony Parker. He is very good but if we could land a mobile power forward who can shoot, defend, and rebound at reasonable high rates would we need an all-star caliber point guard? I would much rather have a weak point guard surrounded by Manu, Kawhi, Duncan, and another good big.

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Originally Posted by swaggerjackson

I would much rather have a weak point guard surrounded by Manu, Kawhi, Duncan, and another good big.

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That fivesome might not even make the playoffs. I don't think Spurs fans understand how old TD and Manu are or how much this team relies on TP's skillset.

This would literally be the worst time the Spurs could have put Parker on the block since his rookie season.

The obvious answer is "lol? no."

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Originally Posted by timvp

That fivesome might not even make the playoffs. I don't think Spurs fans understand how old TD and Manu are or how much this team relies on TP's skillset.

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Really a 13 million/yr point guard with an inconsistent jumper and no 3pt shot???

Tony's good but if he can't use his speed to finish at the rim he's lost most of his effectiveness,and the well coached teams have him figured out.

Clog the lane,its THAT simple...sadly it is..

No, the Spurs are thin on PG talent. Perhaps for a better PG, like Paul or Rondo, but its not certain those players would function in the Spurs system.

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Originally Posted by timvp

That fivesome might not even make the playoffs. I don't think Spurs fans understand how old TD and Manu are or how much this team relies on TP's skillset.

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That's the problem. Overrelying on Parker. The team needs to be able to play well without him. That way there's no head of the snake to cut off.

Assuming we do keep him (which seems to be a safe assumption) how do you combat packing the lane in the playoffs? I mean he could develop a better jumper. But we already have an elite 3-point shooting team. There has to be some sort of adjust we can make to the offense or to Tony's game to help.

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Originally Posted by swaggerjackson

Assuming we do keep him (which seems to be a safe assumption) how do you combat packing the lane in the playoffs? I mean he could develop a better jumper. But we already have an elite 3-point shooting team. There has to be some sort of adjust we can make to the offense or to Tony's game to help.

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Hope our shooters don't lack confidence? I think we need to get more scoring near the basket whether through post-ups, backdoor cuts, or jumpers in the lane. I know Pop wants to avoid inefficient jumpers but we've been beaten the past few seasons because our guys can't take a few steps inside from the 3pt line and knock down a jumper. We can't rely on Parker only.

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Originally Posted by Dunkan49

The stupid fake ass gangsta's trade value went from an all-time career high to an all-time low over night.

Now Parker can't be traded.

No team will deal for Manu's old washed-up ass.

None interested in Bonner (even if packaged with Blair, Splitter, and Neal).

The Spurs are FUCKED!

Kudos to the (often times overrated) front office for not trading either Parker or Manu when they had the chance before.

Matter of fact, remember when Parker said "this team isn't good enough anymore"-something to that effect ?

That's exactly when he should've been placed on the trading block.

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With one eye Parker might look to pass a little bit more.

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Originally Posted by tenbeersbold

Clog the lane,its THAT simple...sadly it is..

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it is simple when you do it properly, not a lot of teams have been able to do it last year, OKC being one but thats about it.

You don't break up the big 3. Doing so would be a financial disaster for the Spurs. That's coming soon enough, no need to preempt it in a delusional hail Mary attempt at building a better team in the short term.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

That's the problem. Overrelying on Parker. The team needs to be able to play well without him. That way there's no head of the snake to cut off.

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Yes, and the Thunder need to be able to score against all teams like they did against the Spurs instead of getting 40 each from the big 2 and 20 from Harden. Not going to happen.

You have a shtick and if it works you stay with it until it doesn't. You don't dump it and think that, if you can acquire these random picks or trades for people who either don't want to be in SA (think Odom) or won't fit in if they were here, and think you are going to build a better team. You will be the Jazz or the Rockets in no time flat.

Eventually that shtick will either be better than what others have or it won't. You cannot just go out and acquire a new one that's instantly going to be better. If you want to roll the dice on the lottery and think you are getting back to the show, just look at which teams in the past 20 years have won a ring with a 1st overall they drafted other than SA.

Nope. This team goes as far as Parker takes them, which was pretty damn far this past year. They're not going to waste the last year or two of the best player in franchise history by purposefully rebuilding.

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Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21

That trade value dropped off quite a bit when he nearly lost an eye due to Drake and Chris Brown. Most teams are going to be cautious until he proves there is no lingering issues

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Yep.
With Moronovich at the helm the Spurs Big 3 have now gone the route of the Celts Big 3 1980-86.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...hlight=Celtics

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Originally Posted by swaggerjackson

Assuming we do keep him (which seems to be a safe assumption) how do you combat packing the lane in the playoffs? I mean he could develop a better jumper. But we already have an elite 3-point shooting team. There has to be some sort of adjust we can make to the offense or to Tony's game to help.

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Obviously we need better 3pt shooters.Letting Novak walk and keeping Bonner was a mistake,Novak has proved in NY that he's not afraid of the big games unlike BonBon.

TBH Parkers jumper could be a LOT better but he's 30 and has gotten away w/o having much of any jumper or 3pt shot his whole career, I don't see him developing those skills any time soon unfortunately.

Putting Neal back at SG would be a huge help too,he doesn't need to handle the ball,IMO that just rattled his confidence as a shooter this season

I think the moves that need to be made are obvious regarding Tony and hell the boat has passed on Manu but I also realize the reality of small market teams and filling the seats.For as winning as the Spurs have been they don't exactly have a rabid fanbase.

Unfortunately from a competitive standpoint we're stuck w/ Manu and Parker at least till Timmy retires if only for season ticket sales/marketing which leaves SA w/ a fairly un-athletic Big 3.

As for BonBon,well every white coach in the NBA loves these kinda guys and has one stashed away on the bench somewhere,the kind that really shouldn't be on the court but work hard and hustle and do everything by the book,you know that whole TEAM aspect that's served white Europeans so well these last 1,000 years or so,everybody else ...ehhh not so much ;)

But I digress and this aint the thread for the NBA's surreal race conundrum discussion

Honestly i'd get rid of Manu before Parker