Re: Spurs need a change of culture
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Originally Posted by
Mr Bones
When the Spurs went up 2-0 on OKC, tons of sportscasters, announcers, scouts, NBA players, and posters on spurstalk were practically anointing them with the championship. They were declared the smartest team in the NBA, the deepest team in the NBA, the team with the best ball movement, and the team that "played the right way."
That's why the collapse was so bad. The Spurs showed they could beat OKC while not playing their best and then proceeded to collapse after they lost game 3.
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
If you ask me, the Spurs WERE playing good, if not suffocating D until the WCF.
8 of the last 10 games of the regular season were won by double digits, with the other two being games Pop and the big 3 sat out and Mills was running point.
Of course it's going to look bad if you're playing uptempo and you allow more points per game. IMO points allowed per possession and offensive-defensive differential make more sense.
The problem was that OKC was making the midrange jumpers Pop deliberately conceded and the SA shooters were missing.
What the Spurs need is someone who can protect the paint without being a stiff, or another guy who can slash towards the basket. When your top two penetrators are 30 or up...
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra Kai
Did you even watch the 2003 Finals? He's not a clutch performer. We really don't need another regular season guy. We seem to have that down pat.
In terms of physicality. And I doubt his nuts shrink to bonner like depths and he above all things has height reach and toughness. Something the spurs lack.
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
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Originally Posted by
racm
If you ask me, the Spurs WERE playing good, if not suffocating D until the WCF.
8 of the last 10 games of the regular season were won by double digits, with the other two being games Pop and the big 3 sat out and Mills was running point.
Of course it's going to look bad if you're playing uptempo and you allow more points per game. IMO points allowed per possession and offensive-defensive differential make more sense.
The problem was that OKC was making the midrange jumpers Pop deliberately conceded and the SA shooters were missing.
What the Spurs need is someone who can protect the paint without being a stiff, or another guy who can slash towards the basket. When your top two penetrators are 30 or up...
As you said OKC shot really well on jumpers. At the same time the Spurs allowed the OKC offense to get into a good rhythm. The most important part of defense is disrupting the rhythm of the other team.
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Yeah, their offensively challenged bigs going 22-25 was the start.
Once OKC realized they weren't afraid that swung the series. Then they hit a brick wall with LeBron then bam, Harden lost his clutch gene since he couldn't get to the line as much as LeBron could, Westbrook kept shooting because he felt it was the only way to win, and Durant was too passive.
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Why are some fans so hell bent on blowing it up? Very soon they'll be able to enjoy exatly what they want now - no superstars, 20-win seasons, high draft picks, going after FAs and failing to get them, lots of trades and then lots more 20-30 win seasons. Exciting huh?
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
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Originally Posted by
BG_Spurs_Fan
Why are some fans so hell bent on blowing it up? Very soon they'll be able to enjoy exatly what they want now - no superstars, 20-win seasons, high draft picks, going after FAs and failing to get them, lots of trades and then lots more 20-30 win seasons. Exciting huh?
You're telling me a team two wins away from the Finals is worth tanking next season over? You don't say!
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Re: Spurs need a change of culture
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Originally Posted by
racm
Yeah, their offensively challenged bigs going 22-25 was the start.
Once OKC realized they weren't afraid that swung the series. Then they hit a brick wall with LeBron then bam, Harden lost his clutch gene since he couldn't get to the line as much as LeBron could, Westbrook kept shooting because he felt it was the only way to win, and Durant was too passive.
Exactly if they had played that way against us we would have won. Instead they played better team ball than we did from game 3 onward.
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Originally Posted by
spurspokesman
In terms of physicality. And I doubt his nuts shrink to bonner like depths and he above all things has height reach and toughness. Something the spurs lack.
Go back and watch game 6. That abomination was worse than ANYTHING Bonner ever did in the playoffs. :lol Kenyon is not a playoff performer.
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Originally Posted by
donjuansdaddy
Right on. Spurs problem is, they are not from a big market or don't have a marketable superstar at this point. But from an international standpoint, the Spurs are the NBAs most popular team, but that doesn't help.
Lorbek is 10X better than Bonner and the Spurs have been the top seed 3 of 6 years Bonner has been part of the Spurs rotation. So really, the OP doesn't want Lorbek. Doesn't want De Colo. Both are better than Neal or Bonner.
Every team out there is trying to win a championship. You look at OKC now, but they sucked for 3 straight years, yes even Durant's first year. Presti was able to draft great players, but it took trading away Allen and Lewis which they flipped for Harden and Ibaka. As Spurs fans, are you willing to go through 3-4 years of mediocrity to rebuild this team. I for one, though I like the Spurs to win a title each year, wouldn't mind if the Spurs made the WCF for the next 10 years. Just getting their gives you a shot to the Finals.
One thing I wouldn't want to see, if continuous BS reffing over the next decade.
OKC has had a top 2, a top 4, and a top 3 lottery pick as their big 3. Miami's big 3 are all top 5 picks from the same draft class.
The Spurs got to the WCF with a total of ONE lottery pick, with the second highest drafted guy on the roster being Kawhi Leonard - and the Spurs essentially turned the 25th pick in 2008 into the 15th pick in 2011.
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra Kai
Go back and watch game 6. That abomination was worse than ANYTHING Bonner ever did in the playoffs. :lol Kenyon is not a playoff performer.
NJ choking away that lead was beautiful. :lobt:
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
OP needs a change of diaper.
Re: Spurs need a change of culture
The spurs need a long athletic (fairly fast and can jump) power forward with an ability to not stagnate the offense, and play smart defense. He doesn't have to have polished post up ability of range beyond 5 feet.
That said at the moment finding a young free agent guy who fits that description, or a guy who can do those things where the spurs tend to draft has been tough.
It would also have been nice a couple of years ago to not look for a Duncan replacement in that guy and just go for that kind of athlete. (I sort of think we were looking for Mahini to be that guy but he never got his head right nor could really break the rotation here.)