Does anyone think Bonner and Blair get traded before training camp?

What's the percentage on that?

If they do, this seems like a fair deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6v6x9gq

I think Pop wants fresh legs for the RS, and Blair is a cheap contract that gives you exactly that. The underlying question I have is how he's going to handle being basically erased from the playoff rotation and whether he's willing to potentially put up with that one more time.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I think Pop wants fresh legs for the RS, and Blair is a cheap contract that gives you exactly that. The underlying question I have is how he's going to handle being basically erased from the playoff rotation and whether he's willing to potentially put up with that one more time.

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It's a contract year. Pouting during the season won't help him get paid next summer. If he gets regular minutes, I believe we'll see good effort.

Nobody knows. But i fucken hope so.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

It's a contract year. Pouting during the season won't help him get paid next summer. If he gets regular minutes, I believe we'll see good effort.

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Well, the contract year might've been last season. Did the Spurs pick up his option yet? I think DeJuan knows his future is not with San Antonio. While I understand your reasoning, he's a young kid and seemingly has let things get into his head before.

I hope so but I'm not holding my breath.

Blair-maybe.

Bonner-no

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I think Pop wants fresh legs for the RS, and Blair is a cheap contract that gives you exactly that. The underlying question I have is how he's going to handle being basically erased from the playoff rotation and whether he's willing to potentially put up with that one more time.

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I am tired of Pop trying to coach regular season and playoffs that differently. I understand using your bench more but you can't just change people's roles when the playoffs arrive.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

I am tired of Pop trying to coach regular season and playoffs that differently. I understand using your bench more but you can't just change people's roles when the playoffs arrive.

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Pop should have stuck with the bench. In the first two rounds they did well.

Then he had a panic attack around Game 4 or 5 then decided in desperation to put Manu in the starting lineup and shorten the rotation forgetting that the big 3 are all 30 or up.

I don't see Bonner getting traded, even if we sign Lorbek. Pop likes to carry two floor spreaders whenever possible.

If we get Lorbek AND resign Diaw, it becomes much more possible. Borderline likely even.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

I am tired of Pop trying to coach regular season and playoffs that differently. I understand using your bench more but you can't just change people's roles when the playoffs arrive.

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I agree... the moment he pulled Matt Bonner, the Spurs lost 3 games!!

And while that's true, it's also true I'm only saying that because I'm trying to start a sh!tst0rm here.

I dont think. I hope. Blair is fine to stay but the door awaits bonner.

Nope... both will be here all season.

I keep hoping every offseason that Bonner gets shown the door, but he's always back the next year. I don't see any way we lose him until his contract is up. :depressed

Blair, on the other hand, isn't untouchable to Pop. But, I don't think he gets traded anyway.

I'm pessimistic they'll trade Bonner because there is no replacement Stretch 4™. Pop must have a Stretch 4™ or he'll start (continue?) melting like the wicked witch. Until there is a replacement Stretch 4™, even one on a minimum salary like Tolliver was a few yeas back, I don't see Pop being able to function without his Matty B.

The ideal scenario would be to trade Bonner to the Heat to sabotage them.

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Originally Posted by Vic Petro

I'm pessimistic they'll trade Bonner because there is no replacement Stretch 4™. Pop must have a Stretch 4™ or he'll start (continue?) melting like the wicked witch. Until there is a replacement Stretch 4™, even one on a minimum salary like Tolliver was a few yeas back, I don't see Pop being able to function without his Matty B.

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A stretch 4 has really helped us the past few seasons more than a good defensive frontcourt player could ever have.

Yes, at least one, with Blair being the more likely of the two.

The team, particularly for Bonner, that makes sense is the Bucks. Once they sign Henson and Lamb, they'll be between $46-47M for 12 players. If I'm not mistaken, the cap floor next season is $54M. So if they fail to re-sign Ilyasova, they'll not only need to add significant salary, but they'll have a relatively full roster with no glaring positional deficiency.

If Ilyasova leaves, they'll need a stretch four. Also, with Dalembert and Henson joining Udoh on the front line, Sanders is redundant at this point. They don't really have a need for Neal or Blair, but they would provide inexpensive depth and help get them closer to the cap floor.

If the Spurs can re-sign Diaw, Green and Mills and sign Lorbek and De Colo, they'll need roster space. So something like Blair, Neal and Bonner for Sanders and a future 2nd makes sense for both teams. It might not sound like a great return for the Spurs, but they'd get rid of Bonner's contract (and more importantly, get rid of Bonner himself), get the type of athletic, shot blocking big that they'd desperately need with a Duncan, Diaw, Splitter, Lorbek, big rotation, and pick up a spare 2nd that should end up mid round. All they'd need at that point is a depth wing to fill out the roster. Byars might suffice, or they could go with some D-Leaguer.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

If I'm not mistaken, the cap floor next season is $54M.

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46.435M if the salary cap is unchanged from last season (minimum team salary for 2012-13 is 80% of the salary cap).

I like Blair... WTF is wrong with you dipshits?

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

46.435M if the salary cap is unchanged from last season (minimum team salary for 2012-13 is 80% of the salary cap).

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Yeah, $54M sounded high. Could have swore I read that somewhere within' the past few days though.

Anyway, that doesn't really change much. Either way, the Bucks have money to spend, have inexplicably been in win now mode in recent seasons and seem to have an obsession with overpriced, middling veterans, with sub par athleticism. This should be right up their alley.

Bonner starts 2012-2013 game one for the Spurs. Book it.

Ok lets end the Bonner/Blair threads.

Blair is ridiculously cheap and is thus worth a spot as he can eat minutes in the regular season. He makes peanuts.
Bonner makes over 3 million and isn't expiring. Nobody wants him.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Bonner starts 2012-2013 game one for the Spurs. Book it.

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :pop::pctoss :cuss

Theyll both be here due to no one else wanting them.

well i said wed never get rid of rj and did albeit for a perceived malcontent in jax dont think bonners bringing in shit in return

Anything on this thread but wild speculation at this point?

No one wanted Blair I'm assuming. At this point he's in a contract year and it's possible he'll improve and be more productive. For a bench player I think he's fine.

As for Bonner...I think all fans should accept there will always be a player that the coaches like and the fans hate. At the moment it's Bonner. I do think Bonner has earned that distinction, but at the same time, fans need to hate someone on their own team whenever they don't win the title. That's just part of the twisted logic of being a fan.

Spurs will either trade Bonner by July 19 or amnesty him.

I'm optimistic that Pop has seen enough with the red headed playoff choker.

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Originally Posted by Das Texan

Spurs will either trade Bonner by July 19 or amnesty him.

I'm optimistic that Pop has seen enough with the red headed playoff choker.

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:tu It's time for a change.

Pop needs to treat Bonner like he treated Jackie Butler.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

46.435M if the salary cap is unchanged from last season (minimum team salary for 2012-13 is 80% of the salary cap).

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I got the above info from Coon's FAQ which is in error:

15. Is there a minimum amount each team must pay its players?

Yes, each team must meet a minimum payroll:
Season Minimum Payroll Amount
2012-13 80% of the cap $46.435 million

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

Today's release of the 2012-13 salary cap/luxury tax numbers include the minimum team payroll which is 85% of the salary cap or 49.337M.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

Pop needs to treat Bonner like he treated Jackie Butler.

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I hope not. The Spurs gave up the rights to Scola to dump Butler.

I think the staff are probably working on this right now, more to move Bonner than Blair, but who is out there in the right price range that we could bring back who'd fulfill the system's needs? No-one in our price range.

If we could somehow S&T them for Ilyasova that would be golden, but I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

If we could somehow S&T them for Ilyasova that would be golden, but I don't see it happening.

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Don't be fooled by one 51 for 112 (.455 3P%) season. He was 171 for 510 (.335) before that.

Rumors are he's about to get a five-year deal worth $45 million. In the Spurs system, where we can better utilize role players and specialists, I'd much rather have Bonner at $4M / yr.

Parker/Green/Manu/Neal/Mills/DeColo is quite the glut of guards.

I wonder what Blair/Neal could get us.

You got to have some big guys.

i'd like to see this trade for the spurs:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d5p3ffl

i think the bucks do it since they just drafted John Henson and they could use anderson too. It would be good for us cus we would get youth, size, defense and athleticism in return.

I don't see anyone trading for Bonner tbh. If they do. ..we won't be getting a damn thing back but a scrub and MAYBE a future 2nd round draft pick (protected if it's better than #55).

Blair, we could get something nice for, but more than likely it'll be someone worse than Blair. So there's basically no point in trading him.

While Blair's not good in certain situations, he's good in others. Our frontcourt isn't exactly deep, so if Duncan or Diaw gets injured, who are we putting out there to fill the gap? Blair's a nice safety net. I wouldn't wanna dump him.

If Blair was to be traded, I think it would've been for a draft pick on draft night.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78vlflq

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78vlflq

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The most interesting thing about that is that it claims the Bobcats would get -6 wins if they did that trade.

That would mean they'd have barely won more than 0 last year.

But I'd love to get Bismack Biyombo. Too bad it'll never happen.

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Originally Posted by BurningMoNk

i'd like to see this trade for the spurs:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d5p3ffl

i think the bucks do it since they just drafted John Henson and they could use anderson too. It would be good for us cus we would get youth, size, defense and athleticism in return.

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Anderson also gives then a longer option at the 2, given their undersized Jennings/Ellis backcourt.

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78vlflq

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The Bobcats don't have a lot of guys who even have the potential to be above average NBA starters, and there's really no scenario where it would make sense for them to trade one of the ones who does for a bunch of marginal players.

It's only slightly more likely to happen than Stephen Jackson for LeBron.