Spurs confident about re-signing Diaw and Mills?

Sam Amick had an interesting line in his article about the Spurs re-signing Danny Green:

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He was deemed one of the many free agent priorities for the Spurs, who sources say are confident that they'll be able to come to terms with Tim Duncan, Boris Diaw and Patty Mills in the near future.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ncy/index.html

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We know about Duncan but that's the first time that we've heard the Spurs are confident about re-signing Diaw and Mills. In fact, we haven't even heard that the Spurs are truly determined to re-sign either player.

And since Amick broke the news about Green's re-signing, there might be some truth behind the "sources".

Getting the Mills/Diaw/Green contracts done would be a very nice start to the offseason.

Patty, De Colo and Neal?

Good new, too.

I would like to know what kind of contract Duncan would get.

I never doubted the Spurs could resign their own free agents.

I'm more concerned about what they're going to do about Bonner, Blair, and possibly Neal.

Meh - Danny was the most important piece to me. Patty (I like personally, even though I am not sure he can really excel at the back up PG role) was really an after thought - especially since De Colo might come over and the Spurs already have Neal.

Diaw, I am very worried about his contract, especially the length. I don't think it's a great option even though it's an obvious option and has potential (look at what they did starting Tim/Diaw).

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
After flurry out of the free-agent gate, agents beginning to see things dry up for second-tier players. "It's ground to a halt," said one.

Good news for the Spurs and their players they need to re-sign.

Now that we signed Green...if we sign all of Diaw/De Colo/Mills/decent big, how much money does that leave Tim if he's last?

We re-signed a FA, which already puts us ahead of Dallas. :lol

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Originally Posted by justinandimcool

Now that we signed Green...if we sign all of Diaw/De Colo/Mills/decent big, how much money does that leave Tim if he's last?

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Tim can sign for max still.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Getting the Mills/Diaw/Green contracts done would be a very nice start to the offseason.

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Hopefully Mills is an upgrade over Neal running the point. The Spurs didn't have a decent backup PG since Speedy Claxton. That was 2003, I'm not sure why it took so much time draft or sign a good player at that position.

Flipping Bonner+Blair for a serviceable backup big (Diaw would start) should be the next priority...

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Tim can sign for max still.

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Ah yes, Bird rights? Good to be reminded :toast

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Originally Posted by justinandimcool

Now that we signed Green...if we sign all of Diaw/De Colo/Mills/decent big, how much money does that leave Tim if he's last?

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This is who the Spurs have under contract:

Manu Ginobili: $14,107,492
Tony Parker: $12,500,000
Stephen Jackson: $10,059,750
Tiago Splitter: $3,944,000
Matt Bonner: $3,630,000
Kawhi Leonard: $1,809,840
Cory Joseph: $1,074,720
DeJuan Blair: $1,054,000
Gary Neal: $854,389
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$49,034,191 Total


Let's say Green's salary is $4 million this upcoming season (it could be more or less depending on the structure; the Spurs may have frontloaded it to maximize cap space down the line). Now we're at $53,034,191.

The Spurs have the full MLE at their disposal ($5M) as well as the BAE (~$2M). If it takes that entire amount of money to sign Diaw, Mills and De Colo, which it very well might, the Spurs will be at $60,034,191.

At that point of the process, since the Spurs used the full MLE, they'll face a hard cap at the apron -- approximately $74 million. So if it all works out like this, the Spurs can sign Duncan up to a maximum amount of a little less than $14 million. If Holt doesn't want to pay any luxury tax, Duncan's contract would have to be a little less than $10 million.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Flipping Bonner+Blair for a serviceable backup big (Diaw would start) should be the next priority...

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With Lorbek gone, no way Pop trades Bonner. Diaw isn't an 3's specialist.

Unless there's a trade, I don't see how a six guard rotation is going to work except on nights Manu and/or Tony rest.

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Originally Posted by justinandimcool

Ah yes, Bird rights? Good to be reminded :toast

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So Timvp is correct too - at this point, the Spurs can still sign Duncan to max. However, if they use the full MLE (which they have not yet, but likely will) at that point what Tim can sign for will change due to the apron as Timvp described.

Just feels like this is leading us to the same outcome in the playoffs. Lakers, Clippers getting better, OKC already beat us. Would just be nice to have another big against all those bigs on those teams

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Originally Posted by dunkman

With Lorbek gone, no way Pop trades Bonner. Diaw isn't an 3's specialist.

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Diaw shot 50% from 3 in the playoffs... possibly fluke, but anything over 35% is more useful than that ginger choker...

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Unless there's a trade, I don't see how a six guard rotation is going to work except on nights Manu and/or Tony rest.

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Tbh, I would like to see a shortened rotation of 2 PG's, 3 swings and 3 bigs, but with better backup players. The 2 complete teams rotation works fine in RS, but the Spurs will lack in talent at some point.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Meh - Danny was the most important piece to me. Patty (I like personally, even though I am not sure he can really excel at the back up PG role) was really an after thought - especially since De Colo might come over and the Spurs already have Neal.

Diaw, I am very worried about his contract, especially the length. I don't think it's a great option even though it's an obvious option and has potential (look at what they did starting Tim/Diaw).

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You consider a guy a hair less quick than Tony with the range of Neal to be an after thought? He actually IS what the Mavs thought they had in Roddy.

Don't worry about Diaw. He just turned 30, and his game is not based on athleticism. There shouldn't be any dropoff, even over the four years of an MLE deal.

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Originally Posted by loveforthegame

I never doubted the Spurs could resign their own free agents.

I'm more concerned about what they're going to do about Bonner, Blair, and possibly Neal.

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Amen. :toast

Two of those three mentioned should be packaged and jettisoned.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Amen. :toast

Two of those three mentioned should be packaged and jettisoned.

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Blair and Neal have value as cheap NBA caliber rotation players. Bonner would probably only have value as a near ending contract.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai

You consider a guy a hair less quick than Tony with the range of Neal to be an after thought? He actually IS what the Mavs thought they had in Roddy.

Don't worry about Diaw. He just turned 30, and his game is not based on athleticism. There shouldn't be any dropoff, even over the four years of an MLE deal.

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We disagree.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Let's say Green's salary is $4 million this upcoming season (it could be more or less depending on the structure; the Spurs may have frontloaded it to maximize cap space down the line).

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If my math is correct, the minimum Green's contract can be this upcoming season is $3,720,500. The maximum is $4,278,575.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Diaw shot 50% from 3 in the playoffs... possibly fluke, but anything over 35% is more useful than that ginger choker...

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Well Horry didn't have a terribly high career 3p% but he made shots, rebounded and defended well when it mattered most. Hopefully Diaw can do some of that things. Another option is to go small with Leonard at 4, since he's a good rebounder.

Assuming the risk of being unjust, Bonner has no business with the Spurs if the plan is to continue making the playoffs. At least not at 4M per season.

Tbh, the FO must put a playoffs rotation, where there are no pg's that can't handle the rock or defend, where there are starter SG's that disappear or air-ballers stretch bigs. Another problem is when the offense gets anemic.

Hmmm, I hope this is true. Love what Diaw brought to the team, and he can only get better the more he plays within the system, and Mills (who is from my home, Canberra) would be an ideal backup PG IMHO - instant offence, can handle the ball (unlike Neal), can also defend. Get it done!

The one concern that remains is Bonner as our stretch 4. Ideally he plays 2/3s of the regular season (which we all know he excels at), then gets traded at the deadline for a stretch 4 with balls. :lol

Hmmm, I hope this is true. Love what Diaw brought to the team, and he can only get better the more he plays within the system, and Mills (who is from my home, Canberra) would be an ideal backup PG IMHO - instant offence, can handle the ball (unlike Neal), can also defend. Get it done!

The one concern that remains is Bonner as our stretch 4. Ideally he plays 2/3s of the regular season (which we all know he excels at), then gets traded at the deadline for a stretch 4 with balls. :lol

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Originally Posted by dunkman

Well Horry didn't have a terribly high career 3p% but he made shots, rebounded and defended well when it mattered most. Hopefully Diaw can do some of that things. Another option is to go small with Leonard at 4, since he's a good rebounder.

Assuming the risk of being unjust, Bonner has no business with the Spurs if the plan is to continue making the playoffs. At least not at 4M per season.

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Well, I don't want RS-only players. That's who Blair and Bonner are. You set rotations over 82 games, then have to toss everything out of the window because playoffs are hard :cry

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Originally Posted by dunkman

Tbh, the FO must put a playoffs rotation, where there are no pg's that can't handle the rock or defend, where there are starter SG's that disappear or air-ballers stretch bigs. Another problem is when the offense gets anemic.

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That's when you fall back to plan B: defense. But Pop isn't seemingly interested in that.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, I don't want RS-only players. That's who Blair and Bonner are. You set rotations over 82 games, then have to toss everything out of the window because playoffs are hard :cry



That's when you fall back to plan B: defense. But Pop isn't seemingly interested in that.

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But we got Danny Green back he will be our savior.:lol

Seems like pretty much the same team plus Nando unless they work out a trade -- which does not at this time seem to be progressing.

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

But we got Danny Green back he will be our savior.:lol

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Danny gets a break because it was his first playoff experience on a major role (did he even play in the playoffs in Cleveland?). Plus Danny can give you effort in other areas and he's not the last line of defense. Breaking down a perimeter player normally doesn't end in an automatic high percentage shot... bigs are a different story altogether.

I would love Camby for Bonner+Blair S&T... Camby-Splitter off the bench would be pretty good, IMO. Shame that it looks like he wants to go to Miami or Knicks.

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Originally Posted by ploto

Seems like pretty much the same team plus Nando unless they work out a trade -- which does not at this time seem to be progressing.

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Even with a trade(getting rid of Bonner/Blair and getting back a decent PF) this team's ceiling is probably still the WCF...not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I would love Camby for Bonner+Blair S&T... Camby-Splitter off the bench would be pretty good, IMO. Shame that it looks like he wants to go to Miami or Knicks.

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It's already reported that he is going to the Knicks.

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

But we got Danny Green back he will be our savior.:lol

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I agree, in the case the Spurs re-sign Mills and he proves to be a good pg, the Spurs should keep the core of:

Parker / Mills
Leonard / Manu / Jack
Duncan / Diaw

And trade anyone else to add an all-star big that defends well.

Pop could use rookies or Austin Toros players for the RS, it doesn't really matter. The improved talent will offset the lack of HCA.

Anyone think a trade with houston could still happen? spurs still have neal & joesphs to give & houston is kind of in need of some backcourt depth. Especially with lowry gone & lee starting to grab interest around the league.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, I don't want RS-only players. That's who Blair and Bonner are. You set rotations over 82 games, then have to toss everything out of the window because playoffs are hard :cry



That's when you fall back to plan B: defense. But Pop isn't seemingly interested in that.

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Pop is reinventing the wheel this days. Eliminated the shooting practices some seasons ago, plays Bonner-Blair during the WCF critical game, goes to the playoffs with a 10 man rotation, refuses to play Splitter than Mills the following season, the defense is terrible since 2009, that's just a lot of issues.

I'm not sure what's going on. But well, the team made the WCF this season.

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

Just feels like this is leading us to the same outcome in the playoffs. Lakers, Clippers getting better, OKC already beat us. Would just be nice to have another big against all those bigs on those teams

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did you make this exact same post on another site????

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...ml#post1282580


what's going on here?

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Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop

It's already reported that he is going to the Knicks.

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Oh, well... Jamison and Kaman are probably off our price range...

There's Ian Mahinmi, Anthony Randolph, Nazr Mohamed, Spencer Hawes, Sam Young, Przybilla...

We could also take a flyer on Fesenko...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Oh, well... Jamison and Kaman are probably off our price range...

There's Ian Mahinmi, Anthony Randolph, Nazr Mohamed, Spencer Hawes, Sam Young, Przybilla...

We could also take a flyer on Fesenko...

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Hawes already re-signed with philly

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Originally Posted by Em-City

did you make this exact same post on another site????

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...ml#post1282580


what's going on here?

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:lol some of those responses. I bet they want the Spurs to start paying players with breakfast tacos.

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Originally Posted by MR.SILVER&BLack

Anyone think a trade with houston could still happen? spurs still have neal & joesphs to give & houston is kind of in need of some backcourt depth. Especially with lowry gone & lee starting to grab interest around the league.

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I'd be happy to trade Joseph (or Neal) for Jon Leuer.
But my big question is what are we paying Diaw (and De Colo)? I'd love to see Bruno's suggestion to sweeten the BAE - a player option on the 2nd year... the full BAE with player option to Diaw, and a promise to hand him the full MLE next year if he wants it, would be awesome. Sign Diaw to that kind of BAE contract, chuck the full MLE at Kirilenko.
I would actually be quite happy with our bigs at the start of a season for a change.
TD, Splitter
Kirilenko, Diaw, Leuer
Kawhi (Kirilenko) Sjax
Green Manu (SJax) Dentmon
Parker (Manu) De Colo Mills?

as a 13 man roto is really nice...

Dump Bonner's chocked to death body in a ditch somewhere, and either keep or trade Blair for a pick. Similar with whichever of Neal and Joseph didn't get moved for Leuer.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

:lol some of those responses. I bet they want the Spurs to start paying players with breakfast tacos.

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Half their topic titles are the same as the ones over here too (see TIMvp's title update on the lorbek thread http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...done-deal.html)


either a lot of common posters, or a bunch of swag-jackers

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Originally Posted by Em-City

Half their topic titles are the same as the ones over here too (see TIMvp's title update on the lorbek thread http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...done-deal.html)


either a lot of common posters, or a bunch of swag-jackers

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They take stuff from over here and post it over there. That place is a joke.

I really, really wish the Spurs could sign Boris to a one year deal.

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Originally Posted by Em-City

(see TIMvp's title update on the lorbek thread http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...done-deal.html)

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WTF? :lol

Mills hasn't demonstrated the ability to run the pick and roll in this offense. He doesn't set up his big and just all around takes bad angles which negates the point of the pick in the first place.

That being said his quickness is elite and his effort is commendable. Oh and he is a lights out shooter.

He is only 23 years old, only broke into the NBA in 2010, and plays a position that is noted for taking time to master. I would love to see him back.

I liked SR, but at some point they had a 'bot that made 20 news threads per day.

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Originally Posted by pad300

TD, Splitter
Kirilenko, Diaw, Leuer
Kawhi (Kirilenko) Sjax
Green Manu (SJax) Dentmon
Parker (Manu) De Colo Mills?

as a 13 man roto is really nice...

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What in the world? Why do you have Kirilenko in your possibilites?

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Originally Posted by benefactor

:lol some of those responses. I bet they want the Spurs to start paying players with breakfast tacos.

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If that's true, perhaps Beno Udrih would be interested in returning.

The more I think about it, the more I wish the Spurs would do what the Mavs did last year and do only one year contract(s) for the bigs outside of Tim.

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Originally Posted by dunkman

I liked SR, but at some point they had a 'bot that made 20 news threads per day.

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all coming from here i bet.shit's redic.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

What in the world? Why do you have Kirilenko in your possibilites?

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I know it's been noised about, particularly from CKSA coaches, that he is/has considered a return to the NBA. He has an agreement that he can leave. His current contract is paying him 3M Euro post tax - which is, I think, less than the MLE... I suspect he'd be quite happy to play for Pop with a serious shot at an NBA title. He'd be an awesome fit as a mobile PF and big SF.

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Originally Posted by pad300

I know it's been noised about, particularly from CKSA coaches, that he is/has considered a return to the NBA. He has an agreement that he can leave. His current contract is paying him 3M Euro post tax - which is, I think, less than the MLE... I suspect he'd be quite happy to play for Pop with a serious shot at an NBA title. He'd be an awesome fit as a mobile PF and big SF.

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I think we're good on the wing, unless you want to play Kirilenko as a PF...

If the Spurs resign Miles and sign De Colo, there is no need to keep Neal any more.

The team have too many guards.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Oh, well... Jamison and Kaman are probably off our price range...

There's Ian Mahinmi, Anthony Randolph, Nazr Mohamed, Spencer Hawes, Sam Young, Przybilla...

We could also take a flyer on Fesenko...

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I'd take a flyer on Randolph if we can sign him cheap - low risk, high reward. Kid has huge potential, and Tim/Pop are the kind of mentors that might get through to him.

Hawes has been resigned by Philly but Randolph is interesting & I think they should give Ian another shot as he proved to be a serviceable big with the Mavs.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Oh, well... Jamison and Kaman are probably off our price range...

There's Ian Mahinmi, Anthony Randolph, Nazr Mohamed, Spencer Hawes, Sam Young, Przybilla...

We could also take a flyer on Fesenko...

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huh?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I think we're good on the wing, unless you want to play Kirilenko as a PF...

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I'd be starting Kirilenko at PF, beside Duncan, with Splitter and Diaw as C and PF subs. Consider the 1st team Defence:

Duncan, Kirilenko, Leonard, Green, Parker

It's got the potential to be one of our better defensive lineups EVER. Seriously, even in the Bowen era we typically had to hide a weak defender most of the time. This lineup doesn't have such a weakspot, and it has 2 big who can swat shots, as well as Green and Leonard potentially sneaking up behind people for swats. Every body on the floor is a threat to make a steal. Everybody but Kirilenko has experience in the defensive scheme. I'm creaming my jeans here! I'm not sure the offense would drop off either. All these guys can pass and move, and there are 2 3 pt threats on the floor (Green, Leonard).

TD (26 Minutes), Splitter (22 Minutes)
Kirilenko (20 Minutes) , Diaw (24 Minutes), Leuer (4 Minutes)
Kawhi (30 Minutes) (Kirilenko) (10 Minutes) Sjax (8 Minutes)
Green(30 Minutes) Manu (10 minutes) (SJax) (8 minutes) Dentmon (0 minutes)
Parker (30 Minutes) (Manu) (10 minutes) De Colo (8 Minutes) Mills? (0 minutes)

No one averaging more than 30 MPG...

Has Tim told the team he is coming back for sure??

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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080

Has Tim told the team he is coming back for sure??

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Yup. Spur for life. :toast

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, I don't want RS-only players. That's who Blair and Bonner are. You set rotations over 82 games, then have to toss everything out of the window because playoffs are hard :cry



That's when you fall back to plan B: defense. But Pop isn't seemingly interested in that.

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I agree Pop's actually got to spend time practicing defense this season. He could use the lockout as an excuse last season. Can you imagine our really good offense combined with good defense? We saw glimpses of that during our win streak.

Defense is all about repetition and practice. That's the only way you get better defensively. You can practice offense all you want but you can still make or miss shots. With defense the more you practice the less mistakes you make and the tougher it is for your opponent. I don't see why Pop can't understand that.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

The more I think about it, the more I wish the Spurs would do what the Mavs did last year and do only one year contract(s) for the bigs outside of Tim.

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And that's working so well for the Mavs. They should have signed Chandler before the lockout. If his contract became too much they could have always amnestied him.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

huh?

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He is listed here as unrestricted FA (Sixers)

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He is listed here as unrestricted FA (Sixers)

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He's SF.

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Originally Posted by NickiRasgo

He's SF.

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Oh... I remember him torching Bonner... I though he played smallish PF...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Oh... I remember him torching Bonner... I though he played smallish PF...

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cmon now...

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sam_young/
Sam Young #7 Forward-Guard
Born: Jun 1, 1985
Height: 6-6 / 1.98
Weight: 220 lbs. / 99.8 kg.
Prior to NBA / Country:
Pittsburgh / USA
Years Pro: 3

^ I'll take your word for it

This is good news. In our desire to see a move just for the sake for seeing a new player come through, we sometimes forget that Boris and Paty were super late additions to the roster last year. I would obviously like to see an upgrade at the backup 4, but I'm ok (not thrilled) if we have to roll with bonner and Blair to start the season. If our record is crummy by the trade deadline, I can see either or both of the peices packaged with Jax's expiring tbh.

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Originally Posted by Em-City

cmon now...

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sam_young/
Sam Young #7 Forward-Guard
Born: Jun 1, 1985
Height: 6-6 / 1.98
Weight: 220 lbs. / 99.8 kg.
Prior to NBA / Country:
Pittsburgh / USA
Years Pro: 3

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How mean would it be if we swapped the Pitt teammates, Young for Blair?

if Spurs didn't get Diaw last March, this place would be full with threads that urge his acquisition. for the full MLE or, if that's not enough, via S&T.

now he is a no brainer even more, because we saw how well he fits. he just turned 30 and let's assume he will be motivated and let's assume he will be in better shape than in the last 5 years, so a MLE contract for 4 years (last year team option) isn't without reason.
currently Spurs can't get any player, who would be close to his talent and fit. not without give up something significant (like Splitter).
re sign Diaw, bring in De Colo and try to get an athletic PF for Blair+Neal.

He's also playing for a contender (he dogs it on sucky teams) and alongside a buddy. Think LeBron to Miami :hat

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Mills hasn't demonstrated the ability to run the pick and roll in this offense. He doesn't set up his big and just all around takes bad angles which negates the point of the pick in the first place.

That being said his quickness is elite and his effort is commendable. Oh and he is a lights out shooter.

He is only 23 years old, only broke into the NBA in 2010, and plays a position that is noted for taking time to master. I would love to see him back.

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This. Guys who can score 60 plus over a two game span in the NBA, even playing out the string, don't grow on trees.

Mills is a capable ball-handler, a still mediocre playmaker, but a lights-out shooter.

The first fact alone makes him more capable than neal :stirpot: