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according to Valencia official site:
http://www.valenciabasket.com/index....cias¬i=2054
Emiliano Carchia @SportandoBasket
OFFICIAL: Valencia announced the departure of Nando De Colo for the Spurs with whom he will sign a two-year deal
Nando De Colo @NandoDeColo
Un gros challenge : ce sera donc les Spurs...! ;-) http://fb.me/1ND3X0f9c
credit to Bruno about the Valencia link first, I didn't see it in the Ludden - Duncan thread
Damn, what a day!!!
Someone at the guard position will be moved or waived. Spurs have too many if Mills is indeed resigned. Joseph and Denmon will need spectacular summer leagues to make the team.
Really curious to see how his game translates in the big leagues.
Some of his passing skills are Manu-esque
$2.8M contract
Barcelona offered him more.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actuali...x-spurs/297699
Damn, you almost called it with your $3M guess. Nice job :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Nice. :tu I really wanna see how his game translates to the NBA....
He looks like a small Manu and from his highlights with the France team, it looks like he works very well with Tony Parker. He also runs the pick&roll well too. I'm surprised the Spurs are resigning Mills.
Nice! Can't wait to see him in action this coming season! Thanks for the info. :toast
What will his role be?
Great deal; looking forward to seeing some fresh blood infused into this system.
Will also be interesting to see how Parker, De Colo, and Diaw can all play off of each other, considering how much time they've already spent together playing for France.
Looks like all the main priorities have been taken care of in the matter of about 24 hours. Shame about Lorbek, but I figured it was going to come down to either Lorbek or Diaw, and at least with Diaw we somewhat know what to expect. He can't be much more out of shape or unfamiliar than he was when he came on board late in the season, and he was a great fit then, so I am excited about his potential once he gets himself into that weight room and after a full training camp.
The Bringer of Donuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
this guy just doesnt look like an nba player
already have one of those in bonner
dont need more players giving confidence to opposing teams
Spurs next year are going to be a crazy passing team tbh: parker, manu, diaw, de colo, mills..thats a lot of passing skills right there
Should we call Spurs "les éperons de Saint Antoine" ? :downspin:
I have a very bad feeling.
1.4 M is a LOT of money for this guy.
They must have seen something I haven't seen.
I am almost tempted to say that Bonner is cheap, compared.
The Spurs must be pretty high on De Colo. $2.8 million is a lot of money for someone who is relatively unproven. To compare, that's as much guaranteed money as the 16th overall pick in the 2012 draft.
I'm not sure if the Spurs view him as a backup point guard or a backup shooting guard but it's clear they like him. You don't give $2.8 million and use your BAE (which means they won't be able to use it next summer) on someone you don't expect to contribute.
Now that I think about it, did the Spurs troll Barcelona? By raising Lorbek's stock, Barcelona had to pay more money to keep him. That means they didn't have as much money to steal De Colo. Hmmmm... :smokin
I can see the whine testing contests coming !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
So was the mle enough to sign both Frenchmen? Or did Spurs use the BAE on De Colo?
Perhaps they see De Colo as both?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
You must really be surprised that Barcelona supposedly offered him more.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
It had to be the BAE if this $2.8 million figure is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Speaking of De Colo, I watched a documentary following FNT few days ago and it surprised me a little to see how fit he was.
At the 5:30 mark:
Because SCOLA THREAD!Quote:
Originally Posted by hemann82
Manu's probably going to retire after this season so why not hold on to them. Unless the Spurs do really good what's the point in Manu continuing? He's already accomplished as much as he's going to in the NBA.Quote:
Someone at the guard position will be moved or waived. Spurs have too many if Mills is indeed resigned. Joseph and Denmon will need spectacular summer leagues to make the team.
yeah all he need is a huge bald spot and be able to smack bats around in the at&t center (we all know how many bats are around there).:lolQuote:
He looks like a small Manu and from his highlights with the France team,
We need to sign two more frenchmen and then the Spurs can run their offense in a foreign language to confuse the other team.
Maybe Cory Joseph is French Canadian, then we're only 1 French speaker and 2 basketball players away!
" A gauche ! "
" Bosh ???!! "
The Spurs don't often use the BAE, so it's definitely interesting that they pulled the trigger on an unproven Euro with questions about what position he'll play - especially when they just signed Patty Mills a few hours earlier (and still have Cory Joseph on the roster and the draft rights to Marcus Denmon).
I'm going to hold my breath and assume that the Spurs know what they're doing, and think they got one hell of a player. It's definitely nice to think that we hit on another late 2nd rounder (#53).
My guess is that DeColo will be in the SG rotation as his primary role, but also serves as an emergency 3rd string PG. Pairing him with Mills might provide a nice balance of scoring and passing on the offensive end.
Neal will be shopped and likely traded, possibly in combination with Blair, Bonner, Byars or Joseph. I except a number of them won't be on the squad next season.
Denmon will be given the chance to succeed in Summer League. If he impresses then he'll be signed and brought into training camp with an opportunity to steal James Anderson's old role. My personal guess is that he goes to Europe after Summer League and we revisit him in a year or two (a la, James Gist).
See Ricky Rubio's rookie season. He's a mediocre shooter who's not very athletic, with nice size for the guard position, and can't play defense. But when it comes to passing the ball, few can do it better in the league right now. If De Colo really is that good of a passer and a decent ball handler, maybe he's an intriguing player.Quote:
Originally Posted by word7j
the backcourt is getting a little crowded. parker/ginobili/neal/green/mills/de colo now occupy the guard spots. that's almost half the active team for two positions.
No Cory Joseph? :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by 024
But hes the future...
2,8 million is not much for this guy. De Colo can really play, pass and shoot the outside shot. A very good deal for the Spurs! Watched him in Lithuania last year @ Euros and he played really well!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Pretty obvious the Spurs had no "real" money for Lorbek.
He wasn't willing to accept less than market value and the Spurs couldn't offer market value without sacrificing Diaw. Both parties made the choice that best served their own interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Rubio run circles around Chris Paul in an Olympic Final at age 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8FOR!3
De colo has yet to play a meaningful game at age 25.
Well, it seems to me that Spurs sacrificed Lorbek for De Colo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Signe at way above the minimum.
Are some people kidding or do they really thinking 1.4M per year is a lot of money in NBA?
This is a bargain deal. Remember this, he has lots of potential.
That's only true if you believe that Lorbek would have signed a 2yr/4M contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
If it's going to be viewed that way, they sacrificed Lorbek for Diaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
Who?
This guy doesn't impress me at all. Seen a lot of vids and stats... and he doesn't look any better than an average NCAA div 1 player. I hope he proves me wrong though.
Soit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Conservative moves.
Including giving Green 4 M for 3 years.
They could find Green from nowhere, and mede him a decent player,
and they are not confident they are capable to find another Green for cheaper.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Diaw, on the other hand made sure to keep his shirt on. Hopefully he gets in shape too.
Wasn't something left of the MLE after signing Diaw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Neal is a bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuncaboylu
Green was a bargain.
Blair is a bargain.
Joseph, not so much.
The Spurs FO is not perfect.
Less than 1M. You can't combine dollars from the two exceptions to sign one player.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
2yrs/4M was the absolute max the Spurs could offer Lorbek once the bulk of the MLE was used for Diaw
What else would you have them do?Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
Penny. Fucking. Hardaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Won't speak for Temujin, but I would have...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
1) Throw the whole MLE at Kirilenko (4 years, but year 4 partially guaranteed)
2) Offer Diaw a full BAE contract ($4M/2 years), with a player option on the 2nd year, and a promise of an offer of the full MLE (from Early Bird Rights) with at least 2 guaranteed years if he opts out. If this promise is legal, write this directly into the contract if the NBA doesn't whine... (note that there is no commitment from Diaw to anything beyond year 1 - if someone offered him more than the MLE he'd be free to take it.
3) Try talk De Colo into a Vet min contract, much like Mills got.
4) Resign Duncan, Green, Mills as we have done.
Why - I think strengthening the bigs (particularly the PF spot Diaw, Bonner, Blair) is more important than improving on a strong guard rotation (Parker, Mills, Green, Manu, Neal). Talented, exceedingly mobile PFs - Kirilenko and Diaw are keys for future defensive matchups: guys like Lebron and Durant. No, you won't be able to stop them, but they need some effective pressure on them.
And when both players say no?Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
btw- that promise is very much against the rules. Read up on what happened to Minnesota in the Joe Smith case.
1) lol
2) Illegal contract.
3) lol
4) :bking
People tend to see these moves in a vacuum and forget that trades are possible for the next seven months or whatever.
No chance, then. Zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Double salary, half the games. And you are in Barcelona.
green 3 M/ 3 years. Absolute max 3.5.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The Spurs system is so perfect that I feel there are a lot of Greens out there to be picked up for cheap.
De Colo for the minimum, or bye.
Mills, absolutely yes.
Lorbek Diaw, is tough. Lorbek probably has a higher ceiling, but he was a higher risk, also.
That really changes nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
OK, spend that money on what?Quote:
De Colo for the minimum, or bye.
True enough.Quote:
Lorbek Diaw, is tough. Lorbek probably has a higher ceiling, but he was a higher risk, also.
Green signed for 3.76. I doubt that extra $26,000 changes anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
Have you forgotten how many D-League scrubs the Spurs have gone through over the years? Dozens. Green is the first one that stuck. To say the Spurs could simply go find another Green ignores the fact that it took a loooooooooong time to find one D-Leaguer that was good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
De Colo looks like a less athletic, but more under control, version of Manu to me.
Manu attempted some BONEHEADED plays in the playoffs that cost us. He needs to understand that otherworldly passes mean nothing if the recipient is incapable of handling them. If you watched and think back now, how many times did you just want to STRANGLE Manu against OKC?
(and I realize he had two great plays taken away due to bad/bogust calls in game 6, but I am talking about a large volume of other bad turnovers he caused)
^ manu replacement!!!!
:lol
Not hardly. More of a natural 1 guard than Manu. Will be able to play some two, but not ever at the level of prime Manu on either side of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by siraulo23
In his prime, Manu could go toe to toe with any SG in the league. Saying De Colo could do that is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
It's quite possible Kirilenko says no. But we didn't try. That's a bad sign...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
If Kirilenko says no, then you're back where we currently are, and maybe your offer the current contract to Diaw - it's not a bad contract in a vacuum - I just think there was opportunity here.
Regarding the illegal contract, I'll just say that I'm pretty sure we've made arrangements like this before - see the ridiculous case of one Richard Jefferson opting out and re-signing...
Both of you are sitting there all cushy. Straight question. Do you think the guards are the weak link in the current set up. Is that where we should be prioritizing our effort.
Is he any good?
My inside source just informed me de Colo or mills haven't signed anything yet. They are still in meetings about it
no he sucksQuote:
Originally Posted by dunkman
http://fromrussiawithdunk.com/2012/0...h-cska-moscow/Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/07/dunks/7100
Kirilenko to San Antonio for the MLE is an absurd pipedream. Pursuing that pipedream could well have cost them Diaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
The scenario you described is illegal under the CBA. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by pad300
I have no idea what that means and I didn't say anything to suggest that I agree with what follows. You can take that question up with someone who took such a position.
I'm a little surprised by the money, but I still think they view him as the fifth guard. Depth is crucial at all positions on this team though, given that only one player averages at or in excess of 30 mpg. You think about the back court specifically: Parker and Ginobili will be coming off of playing into June and playing in the Olympics, they're now both in their 30's, Ginobili is all but guaranteed to suffer at least one injury during the season and the likely primary backup point, Mills, has not proven unequivocally that he can fill that role period, let alone for a championship contender. So they need insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
They have 4 PG's, perhaps they will move TP !? Or Corey goes to Austin until the rookie contract expires.
I guess he's really good since he got 2x as much as Neal, but Mills is good too, neither is a third stringer PG type of player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
If he signs anywhere for the MLE, you'll have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
I'm not saying wink-wink deals don't happen. I'm saying what you proposed is illegal.Quote:
Regarding the illegal contract, I'll just say that I'm pretty sure we've made arrangements like this before - see the ridiculous case of one Richard Jefferson opting out and re-signing...
It's a nice chair.Quote:
Both of you are sitting there all cushy.
Obviously the priority was securing Diaw, who drew interest from several teams. You can think that the Spurs are done for the entire year, I choose not to.Quote:
Straight question. Do you think the guards are the weak link in the current set up. Is that where we should be prioritizing our effort.
I doubt you find good players in the D-league.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Nobody would believe Green would have been ready for the NBA over several Euroleague players, last December. Including Pop, according to "we didn't even know whether he could make the team" statement.
I like Green, from the very start of the season and the bad OKC series has no part in my judgement.
I know other teams are throwing money randomly to mediocre players, and you can make a case green is cheaper than X, but still he comes at a higher price than I thought.
Sure, lets read someQuote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
"his immense success with Moscow probably led him to reconsider returning to the NBA.
In Utah, Kirilenko had fallen out of favor with the coaching staff, and it seemed as if his playing days were done. However, his sudden resurgence in Moscow put him back on the radar, as he won both the Euroleague MVP and the Russian league championship last season."
Yep, he'd be playing for us and would have a good shot at the starting job.
"he would have been too expensive for the Nets to afford right now"
Yep, all the Nets could currently offer him is the vet min - something on the order of $1 Million for 1 year. He's currently making 3M euros a year (post taxe) in Russia for 2 more seasons. Which is to say he is making MLE money. We offer him 3 years and partially guaranteed 4th, he'll think hard about it.
"Many NBA teams courted him, with three of them offering him very good contracts in order to lure him back in the States. "Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
I'd like to know who offered what. I'm pretty sure that a real chance to ring would interest him greatly.
no they won't move TPQuote:
Originally Posted by dunkman
Two or three are found pretty much every season. Sure, you have to pick the right ones -- but they are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
No doubt, but even then, I doubt they will be tested the way Euroleague players are tested in some of the arenas here. Battle tested, literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Eh, a good number of players from there flame out in the NBA rather famously too.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
Yeah, look at him take on those stairs!
Count me in as being pleased that the Spurs brought him over.
Actually, the Spurs made the choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Ok. I wasn't privy to the discussions between the Spurs and Lorbek.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
The the RC and Pop #cked up again the same crap they did with Scola and drafting CJ and signing Boner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ploto
But once in a generation someone truly great comes along.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
http://www.euroleague.net/rs/28612/7.../spanoulis.jpg
Dude how his this a bad contract look how much we are paying Millls?Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
Me too or else we have the same exact team thus far. At least now we can hope for some slight improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Can he be the "Rookie Manu" of 2002-2003? And won the championship. Hopefully! :lobt2:
If Rookie Kawhi got the Spurs to the WCF...
Well, at least I'll know what to call him when he's good and when he's bad: De COOL-O when he's good, and De CULO when he's bad.
Looking forward to see how the guy turns out.
You don't think Diaw's 4.6M annual left enough room to squeeze in DeColo's 1.4M? Seems like a tight, but possible fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
No, the MLE is only $5M. Diaw's contract is the MLE minus a minimum salary or about $4.5M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
Didn't realize it dropped with the new CBA. It was $5.8+ just a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Thanks.
Max MLE went from 5/32 to 4/21.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
Beno 2.0
Nah, Beno is a turnover machine, especially when he was a Spur but Nando is known for his good handles.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
De Colo is a good ball handler and passer. He sucks at getting to the rim and defending his man.
Uh yea just the kind of player we need.:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by racm