Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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07-10-2012
temujin

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by tuncaboylu

Are some people kidding or do they really thinking 1.4M per year is a lot of money in NBA?

This is a bargain deal. Remember this, he has lots of potential.

Neal is a bargain.
Green was a bargain.
Blair is a bargain.

Joseph, not so much.
The Spurs FO is not perfect.
07-10-2012
Mel_13

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by temujin

Wasn't something left of the MLE after signing Diaw?

Less than 1M. You can't combine dollars from the two exceptions to sign one player.

2yrs/4M was the absolute max the Spurs could offer Lorbek once the bulk of the MLE was used for Diaw
07-10-2012
ChumpDumper

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by temujin

Soit.

Conservative moves.
Including giving Green 4 M for 3 years.
They could find Green from nowhere, and mede him a decent player,
and they are not confident they are capable to find another Green for cheaper.

What else would you have them do?
07-10-2012
Brutalis

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What else would you have them do?

Penny. Fucking. Hardaway.
07-10-2012
pad300

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What else would you have them do?

Won't speak for Temujin, but I would have...

1) Throw the whole MLE at Kirilenko (4 years, but year 4 partially guaranteed)
2) Offer Diaw a full BAE contract ($4M/2 years), with a player option on the 2nd year, and a promise of an offer of the full MLE (from Early Bird Rights) with at least 2 guaranteed years if he opts out. If this promise is legal, write this directly into the contract if the NBA doesn't whine... (note that there is no commitment from Diaw to anything beyond year 1 - if someone offered him more than the MLE he'd be free to take it.
3) Try talk De Colo into a Vet min contract, much like Mills got.
4) Resign Duncan, Green, Mills as we have done.

Why - I think strengthening the bigs (particularly the PF spot Diaw, Bonner, Blair) is more important than improving on a strong guard rotation (Parker, Mills, Green, Manu, Neal). Talented, exceedingly mobile PFs - Kirilenko and Diaw are keys for future defensive matchups: guys like Lebron and Durant. No, you won't be able to stop them, but they need some effective pressure on them.
07-10-2012
Mel_13

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by pad300

1) Throw the whole MLE at Kirilenko (4 years, but year 4 partially guaranteed)
2) Offer Diaw a full BAE contract ($4M/2 years), with a player option on the 2nd year, and a promise of an offer of the full MLE (from Early Bird Rights) with at least 2 guaranteed years if he opts out. If this promise is legal,

And when both players say no?

btw- that promise is very much against the rules. Read up on what happened to Minnesota in the Joe Smith case.
07-10-2012
ChumpDumper

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

1) lol

2) Illegal contract.

3) lol

4) :bking

People tend to see these moves in a vacuum and forget that trades are possible for the next seven months or whatever.
07-10-2012
temujin

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Less than 1M. You can't combine dollars from the two exceptions to sign one player.

2yrs/4M was the absolute max the Spurs could offer Lorbek once the bulk of the MLE was used for Diaw

No chance, then. Zero.
Double salary, half the games. And you are in Barcelona.
07-10-2012
temujin

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What else would you have them do?

green 3 M/ 3 years. Absolute max 3.5.

The Spurs system is so perfect that I feel there are a lot of Greens out there to be picked up for cheap.
De Colo for the minimum, or bye.
Mills, absolutely yes.
Lorbek Diaw, is tough. Lorbek probably has a higher ceiling, but he was a higher risk, also.
07-10-2012
ChumpDumper

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by temujin

green 3 M/ 3 years. Absolute max 3.5.

That really changes nothing.

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De Colo for the minimum, or bye.

OK, spend that money on what?

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Lorbek Diaw, is tough. Lorbek probably has a higher ceiling, but he was a higher risk, also.

True enough.
07-10-2012
timvp

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by temujin

green 3 M/ 3 years. Absolute max 3.5.

Green signed for 3.76. I doubt that extra $26,000 changes anything.

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Originally Posted by temujin

The Spurs system is so perfect that I feel there are a lot of Greens out there to be picked up for cheap.

Have you forgotten how many D-League scrubs the Spurs have gone through over the years? Dozens. Green is the first one that stuck. To say the Spurs could simply go find another Green ignores the fact that it took a loooooooooong time to find one D-Leaguer that was good enough.
07-10-2012
Knoxxx

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

De Colo looks like a less athletic, but more under control, version of Manu to me.

Manu attempted some BONEHEADED plays in the playoffs that cost us. He needs to understand that otherworldly passes mean nothing if the recipient is incapable of handling them. If you watched and think back now, how many times did you just want to STRANGLE Manu against OKC?

(and I realize he had two great plays taken away due to bad/bogust calls in game 6, but I am talking about a large volume of other bad turnovers he caused)
07-10-2012
siraulo23

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

^ manu replacement!!!!

:lol
07-10-2012
Knoxxx

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by siraulo23

^ manu replacement!!!!

:lol

Not hardly. More of a natural 1 guard than Manu. Will be able to play some two, but not ever at the level of prime Manu on either side of the ball.

In his prime, Manu could go toe to toe with any SG in the league. Saying De Colo could do that is ridiculous.
07-10-2012
pad300

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

And when both players say no?

btw- that promise is very much against the rules. Read up on what happened to Minnesota in the Joe Smith case.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

1) lol

2) Illegal contract.

3) lol

4) :bking

People tend to see these moves in a vacuum and forget that trades are possible for the next seven months or whatever.

It's quite possible Kirilenko says no. But we didn't try. That's a bad sign...
If Kirilenko says no, then you're back where we currently are, and maybe your offer the current contract to Diaw - it's not a bad contract in a vacuum - I just think there was opportunity here.

Regarding the illegal contract, I'll just say that I'm pretty sure we've made arrangements like this before - see the ridiculous case of one Richard Jefferson opting out and re-signing...

Both of you are sitting there all cushy. Straight question. Do you think the guards are the weak link in the current set up. Is that where we should be prioritizing our effort.
07-10-2012
dunkman

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

Is he any good?
07-10-2012
Spurs151

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

My inside source just informed me de Colo or mills haven't signed anything yet. They are still in meetings about it
07-10-2012
Brazil

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by dunkman

Is he any good?

no he sucks
07-10-2012
Solid D

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by pad300

It's quite possible Kirilenko says no. But we didn't try. That's a bad sign...
If Kirilenko says no, then you're back where we currently are...

http://fromrussiawithdunk.com/2012/0...h-cska-moscow/

http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/07/dunks/7100
07-10-2012
Mel_13

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by pad300

It's quite possible Kirilenko says no. But we didn't try. That's a bad sign...
If Kirilenko says no, then you're back where we currently are, and maybe your offer the current contract to Diaw - it's not a bad contract in a vacuum - I just think there was opportunity here.

Kirilenko to San Antonio for the MLE is an absurd pipedream. Pursuing that pipedream could well have cost them Diaw.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Regarding the illegal contract, I'll just say that I'm pretty sure we've made arrangements like this before - see the ridiculous case of one Richard Jefferson opting out and re-signing...

The scenario you described is illegal under the CBA. Period.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Both of you are sitting there all cushy. Straight question. Do you think the guards are the weak link in the current set up. Is that where we should be prioritizing our effort.

:lol

I have no idea what that means and I didn't say anything to suggest that I agree with what follows. You can take that question up with someone who took such a position.
07-10-2012
TD 21

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by timvp

The Spurs must be pretty high on De Colo. $2.8 million is a lot of money for someone who is relatively unproven. To compare, that's as much guaranteed money as the 16th overall pick in the 2012 draft.

I'm not sure if the Spurs view him as a backup point guard or a backup shooting guard but it's clear they like him. You don't give $2.8 million and use your BAE (which means they won't be able to use it next summer) on someone you don't expect to contribute.

Now that I think about it, did the Spurs troll Barcelona? By raising Lorbek's stock, Barcelona had to pay more money to keep him. That means they didn't have as much money to steal De Colo. Hmmmm... :smokin

I'm a little surprised by the money, but I still think they view him as the fifth guard. Depth is crucial at all positions on this team though, given that only one player averages at or in excess of 30 mpg. You think about the back court specifically: Parker and Ginobili will be coming off of playing into June and playing in the Olympics, they're now both in their 30's, Ginobili is all but guaranteed to suffer at least one injury during the season and the likely primary backup point, Mills, has not proven unequivocally that he can fill that role period, let alone for a championship contender. So they need insurance.
07-10-2012
dunkman

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

They have 4 PG's, perhaps they will move TP !? Or Corey goes to Austin until the rookie contract expires.
07-10-2012
dunkman

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by Brazil

no he sucks

I guess he's really good since he got 2x as much as Neal, but Mills is good too, neither is a third stringer PG type of player.
07-10-2012
ChumpDumper

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by pad300

It's quite possible Kirilenko says no. But we didn't try. That's a bad sign...
If Kirilenko says no, then you're back where we currently are, and maybe your offer the current contract to Diaw - it's not a bad contract in a vacuum - I just think there was opportunity here.

If he signs anywhere for the MLE, you'll have a point.

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Regarding the illegal contract, I'll just say that I'm pretty sure we've made arrangements like this before - see the ridiculous case of one Richard Jefferson opting out and re-signing...

I'm not saying wink-wink deals don't happen. I'm saying what you proposed is illegal.

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Both of you are sitting there all cushy.

It's a nice chair.

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Straight question. Do you think the guards are the weak link in the current set up. Is that where we should be prioritizing our effort.

Obviously the priority was securing Diaw, who drew interest from several teams. You can think that the Spurs are done for the entire year, I choose not to.
07-10-2012
temujin

Re: Nando De Colo signs two-year, $2.8M with Spurs

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Originally Posted by timvp

Green signed for 3.76. I doubt that extra $26,000 changes anything.

I thought 12 M 3 years.

Have you forgotten how many D-League scrubs the Spurs have gone through over the years? Dozens. Green is the first one that stuck. To say the Spurs could simply go find another Green ignores the fact that it took a loooooooooong time to find one D-Leaguer that was good enough.

I doubt you find good players in the D-league.
Nobody would believe Green would have been ready for the NBA over several Euroleague players, last December. Including Pop, according to "we didn't even know whether he could make the team" statement.
I like Green, from the very start of the season and the bad OKC series has no part in my judgement.
I know other teams are throwing money randomly to mediocre players, and you can make a case green is cheaper than X, but still he comes at a higher price than I thought.

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