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According to the best reporter in the league, Adrian Worjanowski, scola its going to be officially amnestied tomorrow.
Hes due 3 yrs and 21mill...
Doubtful he will go unclaimed, but if by miracle he does i see him with the spurs next season!
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Houston has decided to use the amnesty provision on Luis Scola and will likely file with NBA on Friday, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA -- Twitter
The Mavericks will be aggressive bidders for Scola on the amnesty wire, league sources said. Dallas is serious about Elton Brand too.
How much does Dallas have?
Depends on who you believe. I've seen numbers from 6-9M.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
so dallas is gonna get brand and scola ok
The Rocket have decided to waive PF Luis Scola using the amnesty clause, according to Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski.
This is pretty big news, but maybe the Rockets are as displeased with Scola's lack of shot blocking as his fantasy owners are. This could be big news for rookie Royce White, while Patrick Patterson would also see a much bigger role without Scola around. Despite his shot blocking deficiency, he's averaged 14.5 points and 7.7 rebounds in his NBA career and has only missed eight games in five years. He's going to be a very hot commodity off the amnesty wire.
Related: Royce White, Patrick Patterson
Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
Jul 12 - 6:28 PM
Seriously, just because they are under the cap, can they throw whatever they want to spend at these amnesties?Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Somewhere whottt is saying he told us so.
Even though Scola looked pretty bad last season, I hope he doesn't end up with the Mavs. Then again, Dirk and Scola at the same time would be one porous combo.
Scola is probably more attractive than Brand because a team can lock him up for 3 years. Nevertheless, I don't expect either of them to clear waivers.
Then again, with cap-space teams bidding on the prime amnesty targets, a few decent ones might slip through the cracks. Haywood or Darko could make good 5th bigs.
Does whatever the "winning" bid is then count against the cap?
Any or all of their available cap space. Remember, they were set to offer a max contract to Williams. They've added Kaman, Collison, and Jones, but they still have a fair amount left.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeypunk
does this mean htown is landing dwight
It means that they're all-in on trying to land Dwight.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
it looks like the new southwest division strategy
steal all PFs from the spurs
maybe while all these teams are hoarding PFs we could get someone like carl landry
damn houston and dallas looking to bolster that front court, bonner is shitting the bed somewhere
could we create cap space by amnestying Boner?
Only that part, though, right? Only the part that they are actually paying. The remainder counts toward nobody's cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
noQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Empty
As timvp said, it would be a very porous front line. Kaman and Dirk is already bad enough but if we add scola to the mix, it's going to be laughable. It'll be nice to have a post presence (or two) for once next to Dirk. Dirk has never played with a skilled low post big man in his entire career
frontcourt
dirk/kaman/brand/scola/marion
backcourt
lol
He had a horrid start to the season, but started to come on towards the end. I think he would be a great pickup. We'd probably have the best passing front line since Webber/Divac.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Brand's 18M salary came off Philly's cap via the amnesty. The amount of the winning bid gets added to the winning team's cap. The winning team pays that amount to Brand. The remainder of his salary is paid by Philly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
A smart person on twitter just reminded me that a bid on Scola would eat into the cap space for next season. So it is not quite a certainty that Dallas makes a bid on him.
He is my favorite player, and a true warrior, the Spurs would be WISE to go after him, he can still ball really well and plays 100 miles an hour all game long.
It looks like we are going to rent Dwight and absorb every bad contract in the league in doing so.
UGH.
DD
we have diaw fck scola
Logical move.
He is the king of the empty stats and a choker in the Bonner mold.
Yeah, I was thinking that too. They might just stick with going after Brand. If not the Mavs, it's difficult to come up with a team off the top who'd claim Scola, but it's also difficult to envision him going unclaimed. If he somehow did, the Spurs would probably be at the top of his list though, even for the minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyra
This is all beyond extremely unlikely, but if it comes to fruition, they should sign him and have him replace Bonner in the rotation. Sure, he's probably in decline, his rebounding was pathetic last season and he's never been a good defender, but he's an excellent mid range shooter, a solid passer and possesses one of the best low post repertoires in the league. At the minimum, he'd be a steal.
Someone will claim him. At the very least, you have him on a minimum deal for 3 years, and that's excellent value. This is the value of being under the cap, you can get bargains on the amnesty guys.
Why do you say the Spurs will be at the top of his list?Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Wow, this is a just wow amnesty. I get Brand to a degree but this one shocks me.
The Rockets plan on using the amnesty clause to waive PF Luis Scola, which would clear roughly $21 million in salary space to make a run at not only C Dwight Howard now, but possibly PG Chris Paul a year from now.
If the Rockets follow through on their plan to amnesty Scola they'd be able to handle two max deals, after letting two excellent point guards (Goran Dragic and Kyle Lowry) and Scola go, which would put them in position to make a real run at Paul next summer. And if they can get Howard on board (with both the plan and in a Rockets uniform), anything is possible here.
Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
He's good friends with both Ginobili and Splitter and has always come off as disappointed at not being able to play with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPURSCHAMP
But also, who would the alternative be? The Nets, Bobcats, Cavaliers, Warriors and maybe 76ers, are teams that come to mind as needing rotation quality power forwards. The Bobcats and Cavaliers can claim him, but I'm operating under the (unlikely) premise that no one does; so they're out. Say the Nets re-sign Humphries, which they're trying to do; they'd be out. That leaves the Warriors, who have a power forward who's going to log at least mid-thirties minutes per game. The 76ers, are a maybe, but seem intent on going with a cadre of long, athletic players at power forward. That leaves the Spurs, where he could play with two good friends, play at least 20 mpg off the bench have the possibility of eventually starting.
Then I was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
if parker gets all his buddies to come play with him then ginobili should also
parker diaw starting
ginobili/scola bench
get nene or varejo to be butt buddies with splitter also
I see. Well anything is better than that red headed choker. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
He's way better than what Splitter will likely ever be... there's nothing empty about 14/8...
Plus he doesn't have a story of missing games with silly stuff...
But that's probably why he'll be priced above whatever the Spurs can afford...
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Originally Posted by Big Empty
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
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Originally Posted by ElNono
.5 steals and .4 blks disagree
The Spurs are way over the salary cap, If they use the amnesty on Bonner, they will still be over the salary cap, just by a smaller amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
disagree with what?Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Scola isn't a first tier big like Duncan/Bynum/Gasol... he's second tier, much like Odom... Odom put about the same numbers (including .6 steals, .7 blks) in his last good year (as a Laker).
Nevermind, I got it mixed up with the luxury tax cap... thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Anyone know what the policy is on amnestied players being traded? I'm assuming its the same as those claimed off of waivers, but does anyone know for sure?
If possible, it would be great to offer someone Blair/Neal/Bonner or any combination for them to put a bid on Scola or Brand.
Can't make room by trading players... you can only make room by waiving/using amnesty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
I meant offering those players to someone already under the cap (for example: the Cavs) in exchange for the amnestied players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Scola needs to play next to a strong defensive center. Duncan needs help not more work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Duncan is the best defensive center we have... tbh, Scola sucks on defense, but he isn't any worse than Diaw or Bonner...Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
The answer was in that link. Players claimed through the amnesty process this month may not be traded until July 1, 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andthentherewas21
Diaw is better defensively than Scola !Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
tossup, IMO. Diaw is generally a fairly poor rebounder for his size. He never averaged more than 6 per season...Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
Eric Pincus wrote Thursday that Luis Scola is not likely to receive an amnesty bid.
Scola's last year is not guaranteed for $10 million and according to salary cap guru Larry Coon that means his minimum annual salary must be that amount times three years. It's very unlikely that he will see an offer like that, so Scola will likely pass through amnesty waivers and become a free agent.
Source: Hoopsworld
I figured as much, but it was worth double checkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Also from that link:
The minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is whichever of the following is larger:
The sum of the player's minimum salary for all remaining years of his contract, except for completely non-guaranteed seasons (seasons with 0% salary protection) which are ignored for this purpose.
The sum of all non-guaranteed salary in partially-guaranteed seasons.
Scola has three years remaining on his contract, with 11M due in the third year. Shamsports shows that third year as totally unguaranteed, in which case it can be ignored. There are reports now that the third year is 1M guaranteed, in which case the minimum bid would have to be 10M rather than 2 times the minimum salary. If true, it becomes much more likely that Scola clears waivers and will be able to choose his next team..
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
Hello Miami
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
now once scola clears well have 10000000 treads about how manu will get him here lol
Well hell...perhaps things did just become more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
And a few wishing they hadn't used the bulk of the BAE on Nando.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Get Cleveland to sign him for $3.5m/season after he clears waivers, then trade for Bonner...
Do it RC!
so minimum bid is 3 years 3.5 million?. Dallas has to get him. Just ignore brand
I'd guess the Spurs would have a chance. Manu and Splitter would be big draws, and he probably wants to be on a good team where he could play. Not definite, but could happen.
Can't trade an amnesty pickup until next July.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
If he clears, you absolutely cut Blair immediately and sign Scola for the minimum.
Dallas is signing players to fat one year contracts just to avoid ANY cap hit next summer. They're not going to claim him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Mbenga
As confirmed by cap guru Larry Coon, a player with a partially guarantee salary requires a minimum bid of the non-guaranteed amount. Scola is set to make $9.4 million and $10.2 million over the next two years. His final season is for $11.0 million with just $1 million guaranteed.
Therefore a minimum amnesty claim for Scola would start at the non-guarantee portion of exactly $10,041,037. That amount needs to be paid over three years, so the lowest claim would be $3,347,012.
Few teams have that kind of cap space which may open the door for Luis to clear waivers completely.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/amnesty-cl...la-prohibitive
Spurs have until Nov 1st to cut Blair and owe him nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
If he clears waivers...I don't see why it doesn't become similar to the Diaw situation. Scola could easily see the Spurs as a shot at a ring while playing with his countrymen and old teammate, while signing a one year deal in order to chase cash next summer in free agency.
Splitter, Scola, and Ginobili on that second unit would be fun to watch.
Scola got hurt tonight.
Dont know how bad it is.
Indeed. Pretty seamless transition for Scola. I don't know if it puts them over the top but it sure beats the hell out of Bonner or Blair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
I'd like to know the list of teams eligible to make a bid on him, because $3.5M for a player with his skill is a nice bargain. If he clears waivers though, Spurs should have a decent shot at him.
I like Scola, would love to have him play for the minimum.
Sure he was pretty terrible early on but half the league seemed off as well.
Asking around, not as much interest among uncapped teams for Scola bid as you'd think. Minimum bid is $3+ million in year one, $10M total.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt
Tweak on the right knee... Both Scola and Tiago had good games (19pts each)... Manu didn't play (upset stomach). Brazil won 91-75...Quote:
Originally Posted by guilhermercf
Rather have Haywood if we can get him. We need another big guy, not another guy that plays big.
I get the sentiment but doesn't apply when it comes to Haywood. He plays too small to be counted as a big.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfan
3.5 is a lot, but in reality most teams would like to have Scola at that price. I can't see it scaring off any teams with cap space with the exception of the Mavs who don't want long term contracts. But they will need cheap contracts to fill out the roster and getting Scola for 3 years, 10M is about as good as you can hope for.
Thanks for the info Mel. As far as Dallas goes, it's really Brand or Scola right? Brand is equally pricy no?
If he does clear waivers, what is the most the Spurs could offer him now in the heels of all the signing?
Spurs can only offer a minimum contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Brand has only 1 year left on his contract while Scola has 3 years. I believe the most Spurs could offer is the vet minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Damn, Scola has fallen hardcore if he can't get $10 million over three years. That is scrub money, tbh. I know he was bad last year but wow. If the Spurs had the money to spend, I'd advocate doing that deal for Scola -- even though he got punked by Bonner a couple times last year.
If Scola becomes a free agent, the Spurs should ABSOLUTELY try to sign him for the minimum. That would be a steal even if he regresses further from last season.
Parker landed Diaw and De Colo. It'd be Manu's turn to land Scola.
Hope it happens ... but I think he'll get claimed. That's too good of a deal.
I like Luis on that 2nd unit. I'm much more confident in his post up skills than in Blair or anyone not named Tim Duncan. If Scola's low block work helps Tim rest his body some then 3.4 mill doesn't seem like too much. Send the naturalized red-headed Canadian home to Canada via Amnesty.
How about an all white lineup of Splitter, Scola, Ginobili, De Colo, and Bonner. How bizarre would that be?!? (for the record I am less enthused about keeping Bonner than even Blair).
Scola is not perfect but he represents a potential roster upgrade so I am excited that may be possible, especially after the "Lorbek letdown." We just need to get a little bit better and changing out our weakest links is the way to do it. Scola is a warrior at heart and I think he would mesh well with our team.
it doesnt matter if the spurs give him a vet min since the rockets would be paying the rest of the contract
or do they do a kind of staggered pay instead of the normal
where they pay off the amnesty in like 5 years instead of the normal 3 of his contract
Scola would be a nice addition, but we still need a rim protecting PF or C to help Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfan
I guess it would be poetic justice if Scola somehow ended up back on the Spurs roster. Thanks for the rental. lol
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Originally Posted by Indazone
no shit first jax then scola worlds coming full circle :king
True he fell off last year, but he was asked to di way too mich for the Rockets for way too long. I think he has a revival in a lesser role.
Also do we know how long the waiver process lasts? I understand the clock is running as we speak, but by when does the window close?
Players can be placed on amnesty waivers until July 17th. The whole business will be over a few days after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
I just saw this a while ago from my FB friend. I dunno where did he got it from.
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According to Spurs GM RC Buford a former Spur maybe coming back to San Antonio? I hope he's talking about Luis Scola!
and so it begins
Anyone who doesn't want Scola at the minimum is nuts. Sure, it'd be grat to have an excellent athletic defensive player with an all star ceiling at the minimum, but that's not reasonable. If he's only average, average at the minimum is a great deal.
Maybe Manu can persuade him! I'd love to have Scola back!
Scola was never a Spur.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickiRasgo
I would not be surprised if someone is coming back to work for the team.
By a while ago, you mean around the time S-Jax returned??? I don't think the Spurs even knew Scola was going to be amnestied.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickiRasgo
He was property of the Spurs, so technically he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Say for example Dallas were to bid the money for Scola. The cap hit for this coming season is $3 million. Then, if they were to try to trade him next year, that team would only be in for the little over $3 million. What happens if he hits the third year which has only $1 million guaranteed? Can that year be bought out or is the team still hit for over $3 million on the cap?
Nazr?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickiRasgo
Let's not forget how close Tiago and Luis are. Luis named his son Tiago. Let's hope that Scola can forgive the Spurs organization and be where he always belonged.....but it's hard to believe he won't be claimed off of waivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp