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How in the hell does Dallas lose half their team and all of their rebounders, guards and defenders and they sign Brand and Fuckin Kaman and make deals for star players? And the Spurs are still stuck with Matt Playoff Performin Bonner?
Amnesty his ass now!
WTF man???!!!!!
Did Dallas get Hettsheimeir also? Maybe we could get him if Brand and Kaman are both signing with Dallas now...
Chill. Dallas will still be a 6-8 seed in the West. Agree on the Spurs though. Glad we re-signed everyone we needed to but we don't stand a chance with this exact same roster.
The Spurs will get Scola. Unfortunately he isn't even as good as he was a few years ago and doesn't solve the weak interior defense for the Spurs.
Another big who plays below the rim. The spurs will be athletically challenged with a bunch of white stiffs who can't jump on the frontline- Splitter, Bonner, Scola.
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Originally Posted by rascal
sadly yes scola doesnt solve our problems now.Hes not a good defender or a shot blocker long or under 30 lol but if he clears hes the best fa pf left so spurs gotta look right?!?
but they have the coach of the year!Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
amazing what cap room & desperation can do...
I take it you didn't include Diaw because he isn't technically white? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I don't even consider Diaw a big. It is a joke the spurs have to use him on the frontline. Diaw can also be considered an athletically challenged stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Originally Posted by rascal
and duncan never was a leaper lol -duncan,diaw,bonner,blair,scola and tiago ftw!!!
Duncan is great although the years are catching up with him. But I don't see him getting much help from that below the rim crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
How quickly people forget the Spurs were the best team in the Western Conference last season.
But they were not... the western conference champs were not the Spurs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
Regular season champs! :lobt2:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
division champs bitchesQuote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
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Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Haha, nice trophies. By "best" I meant skill-wise. Or in other words, they had the best chance of winning the west once the postseason started.
This is Sequ's thing. Starts crybaby threads and complains. He's been doing it for years. You can expect to see one of these every few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
Just like you can expect Killbill to defend Greece or you to defend Bonner.
Stop "expecting" NBA championships. Those days are over for the Spurs. Bitching about it makes you look silly.
The fact that they can still deliver the best regular season record and a WCF appearance with their aged and aging core is a feat unto itself. That's as good as it's gonna get for Spurs fans for a long time. Don't complain about it; savor it!
I gotta say jettisoning RJ made it much more enjoyable
Ah, crap, thanks for the info. I'll ignore his threads from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
:lol Yeah, I'm normally a lurker on most boards, but for some reason I've gotten sucked in by the Bonner thing here. It's not like I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he truly is a HUGE part of why the Spurs win. And the way this board not only doesn't recognize that, but actually posts an insane amount of shit about how bad he is, it gets under my skin. I think it's because I don't like dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
The people who poke fun at Bonner, or at me, that's great, I love it. The people who think he sucks but are open and willing to listen to my arguments (ElNono for example), they're great too. But the drooling retards who spew vile hatred and represent all that is wrong with San Antonio as a city (SeanCagney for example), I just have no respect for at all.
I agree that he's a huge part of why the Spurs win. Which is why it's so fucking frustrating when he goes in the tank every year come playoff time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
Having a genuinely useful player who never holds up his part when it matters most is in many ways worse than having a terrible player, because at least if you have a terrible player, you get used to working around his terribleness and are prepared for it.
And before you go on about statistical significance, I don't care. The simple fact is that he was useless against the Thunder in particular, because they didn't even have to pretend to cover him around the perimeter. You can see it on the game film. They could play a collapsed defense set up to stop our inside scoring and gleefully ignore Bonner in the process, and Bonner did absolutely nothing to make them change that strategy. At that point, you might as well play a garbage-collecting defensive specialist with no range, because the defense collapses either way, and at least he gives you putbacks, plus he helps you more on the other end of the floor.
So... you're suggesting Blair should get playoff time?
tbh, I've been fighting the good fight (:lol) when it comes to Matty for easily 4+ years... back in the day, there weren't that many Matty haters, and frankly most people bought into the +/- king thing, and the 2nd coming of Horry "space the floor" savior narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
While I can't necessarily say you've introduced a novel aspect to the debate, it never gets old to re-hash it, and see fresh faces coming along to discuss it.
Oh, and I don't hate Matty literally. I actually have met the guy personally, and he's very personable and seems like a good guy. I just want him out of my team :lol
My counterarguments:Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
1. The games they lost against the Thunder, except for one, were the games Bonner didn't play.
2. A lot of people on this board say what you said, about how in the playoffs they're not covering him (some, not you fortunately, rattle on about how it's because he's "scared," as if they somehow have magical insight into his brain). I disagree. You say I can see in on "game film," but I watched the games, and I didn't see this. They have to send out a big to cover him. He's a top-talent NBA 3 pointer. He'd hit open threes with ridiculous accuracy, >60%. They literally HAVE to have a body near him.
What they CAN (and did) do is back that body off a bit more than usual. I fully believe, and I think I'm agreeing with you on this point, that that is the best way to beat the Spurs. You have to choose between giving up a little in points in the paint or on the 3 pt. shot, and the wiser choice is give up a little on the 3 pt. shot.
Says who?????Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
There are definitely a high number of bad posters. I do consider you as one of the good ones, because despite your love for Bonner, you argue with reason and evidence. And I agree with Bonner being a big reason why we win during the regular season. But like many others, I am fed up with his lack of contributions come playoff time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
I think Bonner struggles so much because he is a one trick pony. The lack of diversity in his game is what really haunts him because teams have him so well scouted by playoff time. Therefore, I'm not sure he'll ever succeed at that level.
I have no idea how dallas did that. Brand and Kamaan ugh i'd love both on the spurs. Dallas have done a great freakin job this offseason.
Yep they went as a joke and losing Kidd, Terry and not getting Deron or Howard and done to somewhat recovering! They have not had the offseason they wanted at all, but they recovered somewhat with the guys they have gotten lately and been very active to be a playoff team no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo21
No NBA team will win a championship with Bonner in the rotation. The sooner Pop realizes that the better.
Their are many one trick ponies out there, though none of them fail like Bonner. Bonner can only shoot when wide open, he can't shoot any other way, that is why I would even prefer Steve Novak over him. At least he has a proper stroke and can shoot in a few ways, rather than Bonner who can only shoot a 3 off a catch and shoot while wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
I'm pretty sure he's going to clear waivers. The minimum bid of $3M+/yr for 3 years scares off a lot of teams in the Howard hunt this year or the CP3 hunt next year. They don't want that on their cap for three years. If he clears, it's just a matter of him wanting to come, with Manu and Tiago likely talking to him about it this summer at the Olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
mavs won't do squat so who cares?
I think that is wild to say 3M for 3 years would scare teams off. It could happen, but Teams in the Howard/CP3 sweepstakes will need cheap contracts to fill out their rosters and 3M for Scola is the best you could possibly hope for from a known player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
SequSpur makes a good point.
That's only true in the regular season. In the playoffs they win despite him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
Yes he he said Spurs will get Scola! I have read other teams are interested so I would not bet on that by any means. He might be somewhere before teh Olympics BTW., Dallas already claimed Brand that quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai
There are still people defending Bonner here?:lol
That'd be akin to a Lakerfan praising Kwame Brown or Smush Parker for years on end...
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drz
Best means they were the best, not that some esoteric skill appraisal says they should have won.
The Thunder were the best. The best team backdoor swept the 2nd best team then got backdoor swept themselves by the best team in the league.
By your definition, the 2009 Arizona Cardinals were the best team in the NFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
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Originally Posted by mouse
Mavs have stockpiled a bunch of 1yr contracts so they can make a splash next off-season. In Brand, Kaman, Collison and Jones, they haven't added even one difference-maker, just a bunch of average NBA players. I'll be surprised if they make the playoffs next season.
In his defense anyone can defend Bonner.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
I would have liked Brand...OR to a lesser extent Kaman. However Brand AND Kaman? That didn't work in LA when both were much younger/better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo21
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Originally Posted by mouse
No the Nba zebras won the west.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Thank you who the fuck cares about these guys. brand is Blair with a better jumper and gayman is always hurt and slow as shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Blair would be a pretty decent player if he had a jumper (and if he could remember how to rebound tbh). Instead he just has a weak floater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse