Assinine trade idea. Splitter is the better player, the younger player, the healthier player, and the significantly less expensive player. Sometimes I wonder what in God's name goes through some of your heads.
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Assinine trade idea. Splitter is the better player, the younger player, the healthier player, and the significantly less expensive player. Sometimes I wonder what in God's name goes through some of your heads.
And soft :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O-Matic
I rather have Splitter than Varejao.
I'm not sure how much you've actually watched Andy, but he's a significant upgrade over Splitter. Before breaking his wrist last season he was averaging a double/double and rebounding at an elite rate on both ends...pulling down 4.4 offensive boards per game. Splitter is one of the best pick and roll players in the league, but Andy is a very good one too. He and Irving ran it very well together last season and Varejao is a better finisher at the rim.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
He's more physical than Splitter, a better rebounder, a better positional and pick and roll defender and though he is not quite as good of a pick and roll player, he still runs it very well. He basically has most of Splitter's offensive qualities but is everything the Spurs need Splitter to be on the defensive end/boards. Oh...and you can stop mentioning salary. I know you think rotation big men should all be paid like Matt Bonner but the fact is that 8-9 million a year is the going rate. And remember, it's only for two seasons.
His history is littered with minor injuries that keep him missing more games than he should be missing. I just don't see him ever being able to play at that level. I don't know what you are looking for in a better option. I think you are simply overrating Splitter and underrating Varejao.Quote:
Splitter lacks the opportunity to show he's a 30MPG Center, so it makes sense to capitalize on his value. I just think there's a better option out there. Could be wrong...
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Originally Posted by Steve-O-Matic
I'm guessing you are talking about the last two seasons. He tore and ankle tendon and broke his wrist. He had real injuries...unlike Splitter...who strains calves and wrists when someone breathes on him.
Splitter is soft as doctors cotton!
Don't understand that at all. AV is a better defender, better rebounder, good PnR finisher, and until last year, healthier by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Just thought I would remind you that the Spurs passed on him to draft Beno! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He's not JUST a hustle guy, though. He's smart. I could easily see him morphing into a taller Oberto or some such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I knew this would happen. It's like the Dirk/Manu thread all over again.
Ah.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
I rather keep Tiago... free throw woes and all
Should have gotten this guy instead of keeping Diaw.
No it's not that bad of a comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Don't exacerbate it to be more than what it is.
I'm not that huge of a fan of Tiago to begin with... but I'm not sure what Varejao has exactly done in the NBA to state he's head and shoulders over Tiago?... he's a career 7/7 guy over 25mins on a bad team...Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
This guy gets it :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
BTW, I do agree with the injury concerns over Tiago (and his freebies), but the next 82 games season Varejao completes will be his first one... He has two 81 game seasons, one 76 games season, and he barely played more than 50 games in any of the other five...
I like how you made it sound worse than it is by saying "it will be his first 82 game season." The three seasons before the most recent two were basically full seasons. The last two years were fluke injuries...a broken wrist and a torn ankle tendon. That could have happened to to anyone and hardly proves he's injury prone.
Your other dismissive statement about him being a 7/7 guy that has done nothing to prove he is better than Splitter leads me to believe you really haven't watched him play(or you are trolling). He's better than Splitter at everything except running the pick and roll...and that's because Splitter does that an elite level and Andy just does it really good.
Furthermore...this past season yielded even more evidence that he would be very effective with the Spurs offense. Once he was paired with a PG that ran the pick and roll well his offensive production went up...as he put up career highs in points per game, attempts at the rim and makes at the rim. There is no reason to believe he would not be just as productive running it with Manu or Parker...in fact I know he would...because I watched how well he ran it with Irving.
There's no legit reason to say no to Splitter for Varejao. Splitter is a poor man's version of Andy at best.
He's not a better low post scorer or passer than Splitter. There's an argument to be made for either player. I'd prefer to keep Splitter, because I think he's yet to his his ceiling, whereas Varejao is what he is. But there is no massive disparity either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Well, it's hard to figure out where the line is. People here keep saying Manu is injury prone, and he basically cleared the 70 games mark on 7 out of 10 seasons... under the same criteria, Varejao would be at 3 out of 8...Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Now, does that mean Tiago is superior in that department? I don't know, and frankly, I share your concern about Tiago getting sidelined by little dings.
I'll admit that I always thought Varejao was severely overrated. I've seen him play not only in Cleveland but also on the Brazilian NT. He's a smart player in that he knows how to get into players heads. But he also has a tendency to try to do too much. Tiago is probably nowhere near as polished as Andy, who has 8 years in the league. But I also think Tiago's mistakes are correctable (catching passes, freebies, better boarding), where Andy basically peaked.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Sorry bene, you're my man, but I can't agree there's a head over shoulders difference between the two. I put both on the 2nd tier of bigs with guys like Scola/Diaw/Kaman, etc...
Splitter's post game is overrated and the jury is out whether or not it really translates in the NBA. He's inconsistent and he can only really dominate against marginal/inexperienced defenders. He also makes questionable decisions in the post(remember Derek Fisher?:lol). All in all, I'd like to see about 90% of Splitter's offense come from the pick and roll with the occasional post up. I will give you the passing though.
I think the biggest thing beyond the defense/boards is overall toughness. Splitter has some correctable mistakes but I have a hard time seeing him getting any tougher than he already is. He's a finesse big that tries hard. Andy is a physical big through and through.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
FWIW, Andy's number showed a marked improvement not when Irving joined the team, but the previous season, when Lebron walked away... then again, he only played about 30 games on each season, so it's really hard to gauge if the numbers scale...
We're not talking about whether Splitter's post game is overrated or not though, we're talking about if it's better than Varejao's and I see no argument for it not being. Varejao doesn't even have a post game.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor